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Quebec announces a new health tax for unvaccinated people [Up: government backs down]
- Thread starter Vylder
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If everyone just got 'the sniffles' from covid, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in today. Have a look at the situation in hospitals in Quebec and Ontario and have some damn empathy instead of parroting anti-vaxxer talking points that try to minimize the damage covid can and does do.
We live in a society (tm), you don't have the freedom to fuck other people up
I'm just confused from an ideological standpoint.
So the argument seems to be that anything you do that could affect other people is OK to be regulated?
Why aren't governments forcing every citizen to take the vaccine? Why would such a scenario be a bad thing to have if it would save more lives than their indirect attempts like introducing a health tax?
I'm 100% for forcing people to be vaccinated, that's why regulations exist. Kids can't go to school without vaccines for a long time now. In my job if you don't vaccinate you're fired.
If you mean physically force them, that would probably create much more problems than needed. Most people will take it for the regulations.
You can't "force" people to take vaccines. Where would you even start without looking like a dictactorship?
A tax(or is it a payment notice sent to their home like a driver's licence? I don't know the details) like this is the best thing a government can do to convince the few who haven't taken a shot yet. They still have the freedom to say unvaxxed, but at least they have a consequence where it matter most to them(their wallet, unlike their health lol).
It's not illegal to make laws. People whined about seat belt laws too.
It's to the point now that action and laws are needed. Recommendations and pleading hasn't worked.
step 1. "Please get vaccinated. It's for everybody's safety."
step 2. "Don't be a dick. Get vaccinated."
step 3. "If you continue to refuse, you will face consequences."
It's to the point now that action and laws are needed. Recommendations and pleading hasn't worked.
step 1. "Please get vaccinated. It's for everybody's safety."
step 2. "Don't be a dick. Get vaccinated."
step 3. "If you continue to refuse, you will face consequences."
I'm all on board with making the lives of the non-vaccinated folks difficult as possible, but I worry about this.
As a fellow Canadian, I totally get that because we all pay for health care, we need to do our part and the non-vaccinated are definitely adding additional costs to this. That said, I worry that taxing the non-vaccinated is a slippery slope that will lead to taxing others based on their health choices (smoking, eating, drinking, not exercising etc).
I'm not sure what the right answer is though. Even if we say "non-vaccinated have to pay for covid related hospital stays" (another thing I like), but that could also lead to "you're 20 pounds overweight.. you have to pay for the stint we just put into your heart"
The Quebec government seems to be framing it as "your choices are too expensive, so you have to pay extra" I think is wrong. I'd rather it be framed as "your choices are hurting others".
Either way. Fuck people who aren't doing their part.
As a fellow Canadian, I totally get that because we all pay for health care, we need to do our part and the non-vaccinated are definitely adding additional costs to this. That said, I worry that taxing the non-vaccinated is a slippery slope that will lead to taxing others based on their health choices (smoking, eating, drinking, not exercising etc).
I'm not sure what the right answer is though. Even if we say "non-vaccinated have to pay for covid related hospital stays" (another thing I like), but that could also lead to "you're 20 pounds overweight.. you have to pay for the stint we just put into your heart"
The Quebec government seems to be framing it as "your choices are too expensive, so you have to pay extra" I think is wrong. I'd rather it be framed as "your choices are hurting others".
Either way. Fuck people who aren't doing their part.
We literally already have sin taxes for peoples life choices.
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On another note cant wait for ppl to cry about their rights when their rights are part of the constitution and acts that allow the govt to tax them. POGG and all that tho thats federal
I agree completely. But I don't believe that is how the government is framing this mandate. My understanding is that they are framing it as "your choices are too costly to the health care system" and not "your choices are making other people sick".
Plus, you can still spread covid if you have your vax
It boggles my mind that this needs to be explained in the first place.
We live in a democracy. Most people support vaccine mandates. Most people would not support an additional tax on people who are overweight or who "don't exercise enough", and no governement would ever get elected if they proposed such a thing. This "slippery slope" shit is all just anit-vaxx rhetoric and it's dangerous as fuck.
People have been overweight, smoking, drinking etc. since always and the healthcare system was never in this shape because of it.
they paid a fuck ton of money for those Manhattan office spaces.
his employees will come to office
This fucking talking point again. Alcohol and tobacco is fucking taxed. It's built into the goddamn price. Good fuck. How do you not fucking know this? I even remember growing up when the cigarette prices increased insanely overnight and smokers were bitching and moaning about it. There is nowhere in Canada where this isn't true - at least for smoking for sure. Unless you're First Nations. Pretty sure they don't have those kinds of taxes. So now you can stop spreading this false rhetoric.
If you're unvaccinated, you're more likely to be in an ICU bed. That is cost. I know your quote talks about spread but I haven't looked into it enough to know whether the unvaccinated spread omicron at a higher relative rate. At this point that doesn't really matter though.
FYI: It's really hard to give the benefit of the doubt when you continuously inject common antivax rhetoric in your posts.
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Lots of ass-showing going on in this thread...
Good on QC for this, not sure why we are catering to the problematic/contrarian/obstructionist few, massively affecting the due-diligence-doing many.
No way Drug Lord Doug Ford would have the balls (or brains) to implement this in Ontario lol. He'd lose all his voters.
Wish they would though, as 10% of the population (unvaccinated) are taking up 60% of all ICU beds 🤦
Good on QC for this, not sure why we are catering to the problematic/contrarian/obstructionist few, massively affecting the due-diligence-doing many.
No way Drug Lord Doug Ford would have the balls (or brains) to implement this in Ontario lol. He'd lose all his voters.
Wish they would though, as 10% of the population (unvaccinated) are taking up 60% of all ICU beds 🤦
Canada says vaccine mandates work as Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' leads to spike in first-dose appointments | CNN
One day after the Canadian province of Quebec announced it would financially penalize residents who are unvaccinated, the province's health minister said Wednesday first-time appointments spiked in the hours following the announcement.
www.cnn.com
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Canada says vaccine mandates work as Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' leads to spike in first-dose appointments | CNN
One day after the Canadian province of Quebec announced it would financially penalize residents who are unvaccinated, the province's health minister said Wednesday first-time appointments spiked in the hours following the announcement.
Front Page on CNN
Good. Rest of the country follow suit please.
We need to the easiest and quick solution. Our healthcare system is on the brink of collapse right now.
We don't have years to counteract endless antivax propaganda
government backs down
Not shocked that they backed out. They already did that with the Nurses a few months ago.
Of course. Easy to propose such ideas before you get told the population are not so keen and it could hurt when people go and vote again.