Seems like Smash is totally going on a different direction.
Funny reading some of this reactions. I was wondering what you guys thought lol.
Funny reading some of this reactions. I was wondering what you guys thought lol.
Spoilers dude!No Pneuma for their ultimate seems like a big missed opportunity.
you mean the thread where most of the posters spend most of their time taking shots are other posters? or the one that is primarily full of men telling people how women should look? That thread? No thanks.This seems really dismissive of the issue in general. You should take a gander at the "Why Women Criticize Sexualized Designs" thread and come back in here with a more enlightened perspective.
You do realise a woman designed this?
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Team Talk Torna, Female Blades And The Ending That Never Made It
A tale of Alrestwww.nintendolife.com
You do realise a woman designed this? Tetsuya Takahashi said that they let the character designers go all out with the blade designs with little input.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Team Talk Torna, Female Blades And The Ending That Never Made It
A tale of Alrestwww.nintendolife.com
It's misogynistic to hate a character that was designed for lame otakus to lust after? Nah, as a woman, this ain't it.I just can't hate Pyra. Body aside Her english voice actress gave such an endearing performance, and the model was animated with such interesting contemplative gentle facial expressions. A good contrast with the confident/brash mythra. A shame both were in subservient roles to rex in the game though...
I honestly feel like some of the posts in this thread are full blown misogyny riding on the "this is exploitative" cover as an excuse. Really hateful.
I guess, thought arguably Mythra is already a spoiler of that amazing chapter 3 final.
As if sakurai cares
That's going to be half the discourse whenever these characters get talked about
"Yeah they're pretty good but man, I wish their tits weren't so big, ya know?"
Fuck off
If you even suggest liking XB2 you're gonna get looked down upon by idiots here. I remember when the game released and there were weekly threads dedicated to the game lmao.
I'm sorry that people are being this way towards you, and I don't blame you for not posting because of it.
Excuse me? When did I say anything even remotely close to telling you to shut up and leave? You are obviously free to want anything that you want in games and to voice that as much as you want. And I will continue to want what I want, which is for characters in games to be less sexually objectified. To say that I tried to shut you down and diminish you when I did nothing of the sort is ... well it sucks.
Please don't stop posting your thoughts. Your opinion is valid no matter how many people agree or disagree, we need diversity of though to maintain thoughtful discussion. It sucks that some people might target you personally be it intentionally or absentmindedly but don't let it demotivate you from posting your thoughts.
It's people being dismissive that women don't like their animu girl characters. It's easier to write it off if you pretend it's mostly men saying it.
Uhh of course they have "every right to promote" it, who is arguing that? It's a crap design and embarassing to see every time it's on screen.
It's an in-game plot twist but she was already shown in trailers more than once before the game releaseI guess, thought arguably Mythra is already a spoiler of that amazing chapter 3 final.
ENOUGH with the anime swords people. Come on!
And I miss Smash being a celebration of gaming history. Can we get a classic character please? Contra dude? Bomberman? Eggman? Dr. Wily? Pai Chan? Blaze Fielding? Adam or Skate Hunter? Anything? Heck, if you really want another anime sword person I'll even settle for classic Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden. I can compromise!
No Pneuma for their ultimate seems like a big missed opportunity.
This.Nintendo, when I said I wanted a female character I meant an iconic female character like ChunLi or Lara Croft. Not a big titty anime waifu jfc
Forgot about that, I guess it makes sense then. Still feel like a missed opportunity imho but I least there is a logical explanation to it.It's an in-game plot twist but she was already shown in trailers more than once before the game release
Mythra being present isn't even a spoiler on it's own if you don't know her relationship to pyra.I guess, thought arguably Mythra is already a spoiler of that amazing chapter 3 final.
Making women sexual objects is an inherently harmful thing. Not just the gaming scene but the world in general is still totally plagued with biases and attitudes against women that disempower them and make them out to be lesser. There are strong preconceptions that a woman must be attractive first and foremost and designs like Pyra's absolutely reinforce that sexist outlook especially when you look at the greater game and see it absolutely riddled with them. Pyra is not even in control of her sexuality, it is incidental and accidental in almost every objectifying scene. The camera frames her a certain way without her knowledge, a character makes a double entendre she doesn't understand, etc. In an ideal world maybe the "sexy is fine!" argument holds water, but right now we still live in an environment where there is a stark inequality between representation of men and women and it is especially prevalent in gaming. Saying that complaining about it is just a shallow dislike is a terrible way to frame these complaints, especially since you seem to understand what parts of the designs are problematic.you mean the thread where most of the posters spend most of their time taking shots are other posters? or the one that is primarily full of men telling people how women should look? That thread? No thanks.
I'm not going to sit here and act like Pyra/Mythra are the pinnacle of female design. They are horny ass designs lol. There are no words and deeds that can make up for that. But IMO thats ok. There are place for Horny Designs. The issue is when thats all there is...and despite what many here would like you to believe that is not the case...even with the very same game. But then of course, everyone's idea of sexualized is different as someone could find Morag as a sexual design for reasons. But basically I don't attend the school of though that sexy = bad and is the reason why fuckbois on the internet treat women poorly. It comes from the same school of thought from the 90's that Doom caused school shootings. To each their own of course...but i am sorry a lot of it reads as "I don't like this thing but thats not good enough so let me make that dislike about racism or sexism to really drive that point across"...and read hollow as fuck considering the skeletons in some of the louder people like that before from era and gaf. You can not like a design. I think Mythra is "better designed" than Pyra for probably some of the same reasons people hate them. But I draw the line when people attempt to make said dislike more than it is.
Can't say these two things in the same post. You can't justify Smash's choices by saying "oh, there just isn't the right one" then turn around and complain about conversations about "the wrong one".
As has always been the case, there will always be people making the argument "oh, well it just so happened that the best choices weren't the black choices. There was no malice involved. These choices wete purely colorblind."
It will happen in perpetuity as long as you're willing to buy into that bullshit. "More" options won't change a god damn thing.
🤔Nintendo, when I said I wanted a female character I meant an iconic female character like ChunLi or Lara Croft. Not a big titty anime waifu jfc
I didn't used 'wrong one' argument. My argument was that a character shouldn't be picked just because they're POC. Especially with many of the names thrown around when I'm certain these people had to Google the character in question and wouldn't have a personal interest in them if they weren't POC. In other word, it's pure shallowness, just like how people dunked on Min Min for not being black despite being a minority woman.
The fact is, Nintendo don't have that many POC characters and the ones people liked to name like Elma and Marina are not even POC, which tells me more that people are being shallow. So it comes off less of people wanting more POCs for inclusive and diversity, and more that people wants to fill some POC quarter to personally feel better.
If you want to say, Nintendo needs to make more major POCs, then yes. I completely agree. But don't pick some random POC side-character you found on Google and demand that they be put in Smash because of diversity, because that feels less sincere and more like you're checking a list.
more starting a fire and then someone completely different throws thermite on itIt really is! If there was an Era meetup, I feel like saying "Xenoblade Chronicles 2" would be the equivalent of throwing a folding chair at somebody.
I wanted any third-party character more than this. Literally any third-party character from any franchise ever over this.