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PSVR2 dead on arrival?
- Thread starter jawzpause
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The 10 million number was estimated and reported over a year ago
Yeah lol anyone who's played RE4 will know that while it's amazing, it's a huge step down graphically from Village and the Q2 isn't coming anywhere close to rendering visuals like that.
VR and 3D TVs offer completely different things. VR is nothing like playing on a flat TV, whether it's 3D or not, and for that reason it's not going anywhere. It's totally different way of playing games.
I've never played RE8. Literally, I've just watched the trailers. The PSVR2 version will be my first time experiencing the game.
Can't wait to get absolutely scared to death.
Sure and there are other estimates that are about six months old that put put it at less than 10 millions. Bottom line is, we have no number.
I like VR. I own a Quest 1. I've been in the market for a new VR headset for a while. With all of that said, I cannot see myself getting a PSVR2 soon unless 1) we get more big releases like Half Life Alyx and a VR mode for Gran Turismo 7, or 2) it gets unofficial PC support where I can use it with SteamVR with minimal fuss.
I am exhausted by the idea that everyone who is critical of a new VR thing is just a VR hater who wants it to fail because of some weird sense of schadenfreude.
I'm not finding those ones actually. I'm not doubting these estimates exist but could I be linked one? I cant find it with Google
Quest 2: Did Meta really sell 15 million units?
A market researcher claims that Meta has sold just under 15 million Quest 2 headsets. What is the basis for this estimate?
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Of course not and that's not what I wanted to say. I'm just very skeptical it'll ever be as mainstream as a normal console and who knows how long companies will try to sell VR then
Interesting. Perhaps it lies somewhere in the middle? Well whatever the real number is it's in a league of its own compared to any previous headsetQuest 2: Did Meta really sell 15 million units?
A market researcher claims that Meta has sold just under 15 million Quest 2 headsets. What is the basis for this estimate?
Supermassive PSVR2 Horror Game Will Feature Eye Blinking-Responsive Enemies
Supermassive Games' upcoming horror title called 'The Dark Pictures: Switchback VR" will make use of the PSVR2's eye-tracking system in a horrifying way.
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Can I just remind you all THE FULL LAUNCH LINE UP has NOT ! been announced yet!
Sony have said that they want to make some games hybrid! I think this will be fantastic for the future of psvr2 because a lot of 1st party say like Spiderman etc could make you feel you are in the game via being in 3rd person perspective but with the sense controllers also this will be a unique experience I feel it would be to vomit inducing in 1st person view.
Sony have said that they want to make some games hybrid! I think this will be fantastic for the future of psvr2 because a lot of 1st party say like Spiderman etc could make you feel you are in the game via being in 3rd person perspective but with the sense controllers also this will be a unique experience I feel it would be to vomit inducing in 1st person view.
I'll take getting sick of it means I can swing around New York in First person
I fully get the "I am not satisfied with the specific games that have been announced so far" sentiment. I don't share it but we all have different preferences when it comes to games.
But the people cancelling their preorders due to the state of the current launch lineup… I don't get it. Launch is almost two months from now and every other day a new game is announced as coming to PSVR2. Only yesterday a best-in-its-genre title was revealed as not only coming but also being a launch title. The launch lineup keeps growing.
If you think the final lineup isn't worth it to you, then you definetely should not keep the preorder. But no one knows the final lineup yet.
There's a a tiny bit here if you're curious. If it's successful or not depends on their expectations for it and budget but it looks ok to me.
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I will say that this is the first generation that I have stopped preordering/buying new games. , I have a big enough PS+ backlog that I have been playing tha. The mandatory $70 sony started pushing for crossgen games really soured me. I Picked up some games for $20 3 weeks ago and will likely continue purchasing on a 2 year delay from now on. Even picked up a couple PSVR1 games I didn't have after I cancelled my PSVR2 preorder.
I'll wait two years after the PSVR2 launch and if it is still alive I'll jump back onboard and then buy some of the games. I seriously doubt it survives.
( if sony announces backward compatibility with their own PSVR1 games I'll jump back onboard sooner)
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Hopefully there is good support from Sony. They really should have given Valve whatever they wanted to have Alex at launch.
I can understand your frustration but rest assured, there will always be a group of people determined talk it down and see it fail, whatever facts you could present don't matter. We had similar at PSVR launch, even presenting very similar arguments that it already failed before it even launched. Your hobby psychology guess is as good as mine why they are that way but you won't be able to change their ways.
I haven't cancelled my preorder yet but I feel the same. Jim Ryan's PlayStation just radiates "I don't care" energy all the time and it's so frustrating.
Yeah, I think It'll do about as well as the first PSVR, I think. Most people aren't gonna have one.
Something doesn't have to reach the mainstream to be successful, but many people still consider PSVR a failure while it was clearly successful enough for Sony to consider seeing another one through into the marketplace and it's not really some conservative half-measure either. The software side is obsured because it always is. As for the wave of 3rd party AAAs… what does that look like anyway? I think it's achievable in some form if Sony convinces other publishers on the "hybrid" approach.
I think you may be misremembering how the next-gen thread and others (e.g. the logo thread) went around here if that's the only thing people were saying, but anyway, it's the same kind of attitude and doomposting is what I meant: looking at how Sony's marketing strategy has deviatied and making unreasonably negative assumptions about its upcoming product. What marketing we're seeing with the PSVR2 is similar to what they have done with anything that relates to PS5, even not showing off its software in abundance until they're truly ready.
PSVR was a success and I wonder… does it have to be a huge success to carve its own place in the market allowing Sony to continue producing it as a differentiating aspect of its consoles? I noticed that in another thread that you think 10 million sold by 2027 is doable, which is quite optimistic so it does sound like you're questioning your own sudden optimism here. Pretty sure I've answered this "optimism" question of yours in another PSVR2 thread so won't be retreading that specifically.
PSVR2 is definitely a better value proposition than the original which too needed a PS4 and required you buying the Move controllers and camera separately. Taking inflation into account, PSVR2 is still not cheap but still cheaper than PSVR1 ended up being.
With additionally quite a few hurdles that said technology has managed to overcome, for devs and players.
What do you mean by this?
Same as the previous VR headset they produced that was, to oversimplify, a duct taped PS3-era hardware solution that managed to sell over 5 million units in around 4 years and even with software support that could have been better. This problem they need to overcome seems minimal in that context, especially when the tethering is actually being promoted as being a good thing.
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The tech is impressive, but the price is steep. Especially if you factor in the cost of the base console to go with it. So I can see it's appeal as being pretty limited. Likely doesn't help that I feel a ton of folks were only just able to buy a PS5 recently, so dropping another few hundred on a headset might be tough to swallow a few months after paying for the system.
Some of the line up looks ok, they should try harder to lock in a HLA port (though maybe gaben wont play ball).
I hope it succeeds personally, not because I will buy one, but because I am a big fan of PCVR production values. The success of Quest 1 and 2 shifted development to lower spec chipsets for the past two years, if PSVR2 succeeds I see it leading to a bunch more high end PCVR games as developers would be smart to port any of their bigger budget ones over to PC at some point to recoup costs.
Some of the line up looks ok, they should try harder to lock in a HLA port (though maybe gaben wont play ball).
I hope it succeeds personally, not because I will buy one, but because I am a big fan of PCVR production values. The success of Quest 1 and 2 shifted development to lower spec chipsets for the past two years, if PSVR2 succeeds I see it leading to a bunch more high end PCVR games as developers would be smart to port any of their bigger budget ones over to PC at some point to recoup costs.
I was going to say that calling the tethering a positive might be a stretch, but I actually did see someone earlier talking about how their Quest Pro apparently only lasts an hour with eye-tracking on. If that's true, I wonder if this is the main, central reason why it has a cable - wireless VR is possible, and eye-tracking VR is possible, but they're not really feasible together yet for a long enough use time. And if course once you add a cable you get to go nuts with things like HDR and such.
I feel like factoring in the PS5 cost is off-base, mainly because I don't think anyone will be buying the console JUST for PSVR2. The audience will consist essentially of people who already own a PS5 - that number already being higher than the headset sales will ever reach - or new PS5 buyers who are getting it for a whole host of reasons, PSVR2 maybe possibly being one of them.
Thankfully it looks like the line-up will grow even more before launch, but I agree that an Alyx port is needed. My hope is that it's already in the pipe and being held off until later due to the launch already having stuff like Horizon and Village. I saw it pointed out that the Walking Dead game, which is already out on Quest and PSVR1, is not actually coming out on PSVR2 until a month after launch. Why? Well, it might prefer to have space to itself. It's always better to space out your big games.
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10-20 must plays a year?
That's way more than I would even have time for.
If that's the case then I'll have nothing to worry about.
What did these numbers look like for PSVR1?
How many releases did it get per year and how many of those were quality titles?
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I guess I just think it will be disappointing if the crux of this system's software is just hybrid/flat converts
PSVR1 was not a failure. It was very successful relative to expectations, and was the most successful, "mainstream" VR headset at one point. But consider the following:
PSVR1 launched into a market where VR was still a great unknown, and a novelty many people wanted to experience. I already had a legit gaming PC at the time, but wasn't curious enough to spend Oculus Rift money for something I wasn't sure about. Here comes Sony with a (relatively) cheap headset that works on hardware that everybody already owned, including myself. So I bought in during the launch window, played a bunch of games (timestamped trophy data and whatnot), and eventually figured that VR wasn't for me, so I sold it while the selling was good.
So now its 2022, and PSVR2 is launching into a market with the following audiences:
- People who are already familiar with VR - not ncessarily PSVR - and know they dont like it after personal experience (not just speculation). Most hardcore types have already had some hands-on time with VR at some point, so the mystery is gone.
- People who already owned PSVR specifically, and weren't satisfied with the support that they got.
- PSVR customers who were on board, but were turned off by their old library/digital investment being abandoned (as noted many times, VR customers are a niche market that buy a lot of games, so this is a pretty big investment). There are a bunch of them in this thread
- PSVR customers who would still like to upgrade, but either don't have a PS5 or just got one this holiday (so they're already out 500 bucks + the usual games/accessories)
- PSVR customers who moved on to the Oculus ecosystem in the years since PSVR1 launched (or existing Oculus owners that never owned PSVR) that are already heavily invested in either Oculus' own store and/or SteamVR (and can already play most of what's out there today)
- The usual gang of anti-VR folks who are against it simply because it potentially takes away development resources from "real, non-VR games"
So your primary target markets would be 1) PS5 owners who owned PSVR1 and want the next generation of it, 2) PS5 owners who have never owned PSVR and want to give it a shot this gen, 3) non-PS5 owners who have owned a VR system before and are interested in PSVR2, and 4) non-PS5 owners who have never owned a VR headset.
The latter two customer subsets now have a cheaper entry point in the form of Quest 2, which has become the new mainstream headset in the interim.
Counting on new system selling games by "convincing publishers about the hybrid approach" makes little sense - basically the pitch would be "make an AA or AAA game, but spend a large amount of extra money making it also work/run well in VR, while also taking into account the visual and performance upgrades PS5 customers expect out of a next gen only game. Oh, and if it doesn't take off like we expected, them's the breaks." Sony can be expected to make those sorts of investments as the platform holder, but you're only going to get that kind of investment from third parties if/when PSVR2 is an established success.
- Sony is to be commended for supporting VR, I love it, but outside of the early adopters and Sony's biggest supporters I think ti will slowly fade away. It's kind of too bad because it is by far the most innovative next level of playing games but it's far too niche to reach the mainstream and sadly this indsutry is profit driven.
- I too am guilty of this but we need to stop being so sensitive about our toys. Sony continues to do things their way which is fine but when you do then you will be called out on it more. Missing E3, balking at console crossplay, we believe in generations, etc. It puts more eyes on you. But again this correlation betwen that and its success and PSVR 2 are totally different ballparks. I don't recall anyone thinking the PS5 was going to fail, we were all just waiting for a price announcement and it seemed like once again they wanted to wait for Microsoft to go first.
- I see success on the support it gets. What were the big games for PSVR the last 2 years?
- Awesome tech that also needs a $400 and up console tethered to it. Buy one game and now you're looking at at least a grand. The market has changed since PSVR.
- You are still playing something that many people cannot play for long periods of time and many get motion sickness from and can't play at all. You are still tripping over wires and need a proper environment.
- 5 million sounds like a lot until you realize just how small of a percentage that is to regular console users of over 100 million. This is what I mean about getting software support.
I agree most people aren't buying a ps5 just sit that, just saying with supply issues a lot of people who wanted one one got it recently and after just having spent 500 on that, another couple hundred a few months later hits harder compared to the initial console cost being years in the rear view.
Maybe it was clarified but if not I can see psvr2 walking dead being some sort of definitive edition with 1&2. The second isn't on pcvr until next year too.
I don't want it to fail. What I want is for Sony to properly support it with software. It's not like PSVR2 was a secret; it's been in development for years. There's just no excuse for why there is so little first-party stuff in the launch lineup, and why almost zero of the big PlayStation franchises are represented. Even obvious things like Gran Turismo and Astro Bot are absent.
To those folks saying "but we haven't seen the whole launch lineup yet," I ask you...what the heck are they waiting for? Pre-orders are already open, and the thing launches in 2 months. 2 months is practically nothing; I'm sure that the launch window lineup is set in stone by now. Do they want folks to pre-order it or not?
2 months is forever in present Sony terms lol. Pre-orders will still be available when/if they do reveal stuff later down the line before release. Shit like that doesn't matter. If Sony reveals an insane lineup, the last thing someone is thinking is "damn, I wish they announced it sooner but since they waited so long I won't pre-order!" It's not even just about launch titles, either. That's the least important aspect. They just need to announce dope shit within the year.
I don't recall an instance of a new console or peripheral like this coming out, and some major piece of launch software being unknown a couple of months before release. I'm not sure why many are so convinced there's a surprise announcement of a major launch title coming.
Wanderer
After The Fall
Song in the Smoke
Hitman 3
Dreams
Star Wars Squadrons
Moss Book 2
Zenith: The Last City
Gravitational
Ionia
Wraith: The Oblivion Afterlife
Fracked
Arashi: Castle of Sin
Synth Riders
Sniper Elite VR
Maskmaker
I Expect You To Die 2
Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners 2
The Room VR
That's pretty good, which ones are made or published by Sony besides Dreams?
I'm really suprised at how little Sony are pushing it on the PS5 store, their most front facing marketing space to the target audience and it's no where to be seen.
That is true, but according to my googling, PS5 hit 25 million sales back at the end of September. If we want to say that PSVR2's price will only be palatable to someone who got their PS5, say, a year before launch, that still leaves what - maybe 15-18 million owners? It doesn't feel like a massive issue to me, but I could be wrong. I do think Sony will need to convince them, though. They should have a thing on the PS5 dashboard showing people how many VR titles they already own. Make the price seem more reasonable when they don't need to buy as much in the way of games.
I was talking specifically about Chapter 2, though now that I'm looking it up even the PSVR version isn't actually until next year, which is weird - I clearly remember it being confirmed for a 2022 PSVR release and a 2023 PSVR2 release, which was before PSVR2's official release date announcement and was pointed out as proof of it not making the holidays. I guess it must've been delayed.
They are actually being released as a bundle though, with both chapters in a single pack. You can already pre-order it.
There's theories that Sony didn't want to start pushing it hard until after the holidays, since it isn't out yet and thus doesn't make for a good holiday present. It's being shown off at CES and there are more announcements in the works - maybe the sort of marketing you're talking about will arrive along with those?
The game lineup is a little weak, it is dissapoimting in that regard the tech is really good though. I'd think a lot of us gamers would be technophiles too. They were saying it had a focus on regular games getting vr support, rather than games made for vr; which good for what it does. I'd rather it gets a fair shot though rather than people setting their minds before they ever try it - which this thread is almost trying to accomplish? RE8 alone is good enough for me, I've been pretty unhappy with recent PCVR headsets and quest 2; hoping this thing brings the deep blacks, clarity and color depth that vr has been lacking. It is disappointing seeing chicken and egg syndrome possibly play out, wish xbox had their own competitor in this space so VR could get more traction.
While they aren't directly made by Sony, many of these games had their PSVR ports funded by them (Hitman 3, Moss 2, Wanderer, etc.)
None were 100% made by Sony but they did contribute funding to some of them. Don't know about publishing.
I would posit the wild take that on this forum what should matter the most is whether there are good games for a system. Not whether it says Sony on the boxes.
Modders have managed to mod VR support in to Spider-Man and Miles on PC recently actually. Sony should definitely get on that on the PSVR side.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adIAcAoOUtQ
It's a wild take to ask what type of support a 1st party provider is offering on their piece of hardware that needs to be tethered to their game console?