I don't think Sony is concerned with the region all that much anymore. They've given up trying to compete with Nintendo on the handheld/mobile market that dominates Japan and Xbox will never be a significant brand there so if any Japanese company is going to develop a home console only title for the market, it will be PS by default.
so basically if you make sure your console wobbles/is not safe without a stand, you make sure people attach it and dont brick their consolesI think the main problem is people.
If the console is vertical, it HAS to have the standoff for airflow (at least, all the vids of airflow lead me to believe this)
If you make it optional, people are going to brick their consoles.
Dust traps that you can easily vacuum is the best thing. Clearly designed for maintainability.
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Does Klob run this account?
They have been acknowledging Xbox for years, lol. Twitter is not everything.
I assumed that the back of the system was intake and the top is exhaust. Is that reversed?
There's some really strange design choices here.
edit: The console was really designed to lay flat.
The huge advantage here is that upgrading the internal storage doesn't necessitate reinstalling the console OS like those other consoles did. If the plates come off that easily and there's again decent instructions I don't think it'll be too bad at all.
Its funny too because everytime they do it literally also refers people to how much of a disaster the xbone was.
I do like that the PS4 and 5 seem to have directly learned from the failings of their predecessors.
Agreed.
That said we still don't know 100% whether or not the stand will be removable on the final retail version of the XSX. And if it's not and enough people complain you can bet they'll be a quick revision where it can be.
I think the main problem is people.
If the console is vertical, it HAS to have the standoff for airflow (at least, all the vids of airflow lead me to believe this)
If you make it optional, people are going to brick their consoles.
It can't be the only airflow. Videos have shown lots of vents on the rear bottom of the case opposite the drive slot, and the stand it a few mm thick covering most of the base. There will be barely any airflow coming in the bottom - most will come in the rear. I bet you could remove the stand, put it vertically blocking the bottom vents and it'd make almost no difference.
The problems with blowers in GPU is how inefficient the airflow is from them. The main goal of an air cooler is to push as much air as possible through as much fins as possible, and have it exit before it reaches equilibrium temperature with the fins, and thus cannot absorb any more heat.
The PS5 does not look like it will have the problems blower GPUs have:
Quick sketch, top is your standard GPU bottom is PS5. Most blower GPUs have a really long fin stack, anda blower thats choked on two sides trying to push across. The fins are short meaning the air has to get as far across them as possible, while getting all the way to the other side absorbing heat in a way that they are not saturated by the time they reach the end of the fin stack. If the fins are 60 degrees, and the air reaches 60 degrees at the halfway point, the entre second half of the fin stack would do nothing. So to compensate for this, the fan has to spin faster to push the air through the fin stack faster. Couple this with blowers usually being short fans and they basically have to go fucking nuts to cool a GPU.
The PS5 on the other hand, has a much taller fan, allowing it to move more air at lower RPMs, and the fin stacks surround it much more, allowing its energy to be far less wasted and the air its moving to be far more used for actual cooling.
The biggest thing that makes me curious about the PS5 design is the valley in the lower portion, with the fin stacks oriented on the skinny part so that its angled and actually blocking the fan. I believe they are using turbulence to push air through the bottom section and into the lowest portion of the fin stacks more efficiently, though im not sure why this would be better than if they just had the fins lined directly with the fan. I would love to see an airflow imaging of this cooler like what Gamers Nexus has, but that would be incredibly hard to pull off.
I have an official bloodborne replacement ps4 panel I got from the sony online shop. I don't have a PS4 it fits on anymore (it was only for the OG) but they were out there.
They could theoretically design a lower profile bottom panel with a built in stand.
- you can use a coin I think lol. And it's only needed to lock for vertical position I think.
- no more mystery nut that I can see haha
Yea either side of the panels are intake, and everything goes out the back.
Yep when they get to 5nm i can see the console getting a lot smaller .
You can see the future cost saving already from the break down .
Yeah no shit, but it's not petty. That's what makes it apoear desperate. Like "hey don't forget about us"
I use an external USB HDD for my PS4 lol. I'll probably fuck it up somehow trying to do this for the PS5. *sigh*
Those fans are not in gaming PC's. Blower style video cards use a smaller version of that fan, but there's very few blower style coolers now.
Screw only when it's erect.
Removable yes, it's just waiting for aftermarket plates, or Sony designed ones
Nut not solved
I think the thing about that video, was that it came out during huge speculation that Sony would be doing the same thing as MS.
even that heat sink seems big for how poor the end result was.This is the PS4 pro heat sink in comparison
PlayStation 4 Pro Teardown | PS4 Pro
http://www.playstation.com/ps4-proPS4 Pro is PlayStation’s most powerful console yet. But what does it look like on the inside? Find out in PlayStation.Blog'...youtu.be
Should be time stamped, 8 minute Mark.
Althought it never overheated the fan was clearly rubbish. At least they've made the fan much bigger now.
Fuck is it ever a chonker lol
But, as someone with a PS4PRO that is so loud it actually stops me from turning it on at times because it's so ridiculously loud, I could fucking care less if it was as big my home theater receiver.
I am satisfied with their focus on cooling in the design. (Watch some of them be loud regardless lol)
But, as someone with a PS4PRO that is so loud it actually stops me from turning it on at times because it's so ridiculously loud, I could fucking care less if it was as big my home theater receiver.
I am satisfied with their focus on cooling in the design. (Watch some of them be loud regardless lol)
I am getting black covers the moment they become available.
Just get the black paint spray and do it yourself
Yes, it's reversed. It's a blower fan, they rely on air pressure, so they push the airflow through the heatsink and out.
Yup, it's likely ABS, trivial to sand, prime and paint away. If you have an airbrush available, model acrylics do a GREAT job with ABS.
That heatsink though.
Three sets of fins stacks. Two are set right up against the rear exhaust area. The slanted set is right next to an intake for the PSU to receive some airflow. Keep in mind the PS4 Pro heatsink was only about the size of the slanted area and was placed in *front* of the PSU (to cool it as well) instead of directly near an exhaust vent.
sorry just a jab at people who were concerned about the whole needing a stand thing with PS5
Cool info about the cooling.
The fan geometry is twice the height as the PS4 Pro blower, and 25% bigger diameter, Napkin math gives 3x more airflow at the same RPM, higher static pressure, but the tip velocity only increased by 12% at the same RPM.
There is a very nice airflow to the SSD cavity and sufficient height.
Dust Traps are a great addition, so are the holes specifically made to use a vaccum to clean them. It's not described as air filters so I think the idea could be to created a trap in a lower flow area which is not restrictive. Air filters however are restrictive by design and can cause hissing sound and inefficiency.
Liquid metal is adding to the cost, but using heatpipes allows a lower price than VC for the same cooling capacity, and it allows spreading the outlet over a much larger surface area across the entire back. A VC of that size would have been cost-prohibitive.
A lot more surface area of heatsink fins means both the outlet air and the conducted heat to the case will be much cooler than the XSX. So does the cool air cavity created by the side panels clearance, which isolate the surface even more from the heatsink.
TL;DR
Low turbulence, low RPM, massive heatsink surface area, groundbreaking thermal interface. I like.
There is a very nice airflow to the SSD cavity and sufficient height.
Dust Traps are a great addition, so are the holes specifically made to use a vaccum to clean them. It's not described as air filters so I think the idea could be to created a trap in a lower flow area which is not restrictive. Air filters however are restrictive by design and can cause hissing sound and inefficiency.
Liquid metal is adding to the cost, but using heatpipes allows a lower price than VC for the same cooling capacity, and it allows spreading the outlet over a much larger surface area across the entire back. A VC of that size would have been cost-prohibitive.
A lot more surface area of heatsink fins means both the outlet air and the conducted heat to the case will be much cooler than the XSX. So does the cool air cavity created by the side panels clearance, which isolate the surface even more from the heatsink.
TL;DR
Low turbulence, low RPM, massive heatsink surface area, groundbreaking thermal interface. I like.
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