I never asked what you meant. I pointed out your statement was at best incredibly misleading.
Sony did not say they are following the same reveal timeline for PS5 as PS4.
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I never asked what you meant. I pointed out your statement was at best incredibly misleading.
Sony did not say they are following the same reveal timeline for PS5 as PS4.
I love it when people confuse "discrete" with "discreet."
I always picture, like, a Navi graphics card and an Xbox having an affair, or something. The Xbox asks "What would PlayStation think?" and Navi replies "We'll be discreet."
That's actually correct. You didn't ask what I meant because you don't actually care. I was being kind and giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because the other implied conclusion is that you were looking to dunk on someone the whole time.
If doing so saved them $50 on their BOM for the APU/RAM (net of increased cost of cooling solution), it's not a bizarre decision at all. If Sony goes on to sell 100m PS5s this generation, that $50 savings will yield an additional $5B in income (not revenue) over the 6-7 year life of the console. Those are huge numbers.
Additionally, those BOM savings can allow you to sell your console at an accordingly lower retail price. "Well instead they should just make it stronger and take an additional loss. They'll make it up on software!" Maybe, but there's a limit to that line of reasoning, and if taking a $100 loss on a $500 machine would allow them to sell at $400, wouldn't taking a $100 loss on a $450 machine allow them to sell at $350? (Obviously there's a limit as to this line of reasoning, since one might argue that they should just slap a new coat of paint on a PS4 Pro and sell it for $200 and call it a day. But I don't think 9.2TF is way out of line from a next-gen performance perspective - especially given many/most expected both consoles to be targeting 9-10TF this gen.) Additionally, Sony has long been focusing on the benefits of next-gen that aren't focused on raw graphics power - SSD, hw-assisted RT, better CPU, controller haptics, etc. - that it makes sense that they might feel like they didn't have to really stretch themselves on the TF front.
I'm personally 50/50 on the whole thing, but I don't think they'd be making an absurd decision either way.
Is a custom chip that is "well-hidden from prying eyes" any stranger than the fact the retail PS5 console has been so well hidden that it's yet to be revealed by anyone? Serious question.
Sony never said they are following the same reveal timeline like you wrongly claimed that's all I care to get across. It's an incredibly misleading statement you made. Have a nice day.
The more important thing is that SF had a case where the person had no international travel prior to showing symptoms. Hard to blame anyone skipping GDC for that reason alone
Possible, but I doubt anything substantial went towards VR unless it is something that would help in general.
Yeah, whatever is in the console that helps VR, will help the console overall and the reverse as well. So yeah, pretty much what you said.
Anything VR specific would be in a new headset/controllers.
I highly belive that Sony targeted a final retail price of $399,95 Dollars for the PS5.
Therefore a 8-9.2 TF, 12GB RAM with an 1TB SSD sounds absolutely plausible to me for what you can expect for $399,95 Dollars.
That would also explain Sonys silence right now to me, they are probably waiting until they have some great games to show when they reveal the PS5 to compensate the lesser powerful hardware with great software.
I think that if Sony had the more powerful system, than they would have already came out and had shouted it out from the highest mountain that the PS5 is more powerful than the XBox Series X. Because no companys wants that the competition has all the spotlights.
But this is of course all speculation from me!
Therefore a 8-9.2 TF, 12GB RAM with an 1TB SSD sounds absolutely plausible to me for what you can expect for $399,95 Dollars.
That would also explain Sonys silence right now to me, they are probably waiting until they have some great games to show when they reveal the PS5 to compensate the lesser powerful hardware with great software.
I think that if Sony had the more powerful system, than they would have already came out and had shouted it out from the highest mountain that the PS5 is more powerful than the XBox Series X. Because no companys wants that the competition has all the spotlights.
But this is of course all speculation from me!
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PS5 Pro could be 72 CUs :)
I really hope PS5 has a thicker abstraction layer, Sony can't keep building APUs according to 10 years old consoles.
You have to keep in mind that a 54Cu will result in a bigger iGPU than the XSX and at the same tine 300Mhz higher clocks, sound expensive and hot to me. It's not impossible, but something to keep in mind.
I don't think it'd be 2ghz if it's 54cu. 1700 to 1800 mhz max. The 2ghz tests were just tests or to get an idea of relative performance. (All speculation of course)
IF PS5 will be 9.2 at 399 then they must reveal the price when they present the machine as it will, after the exlusive games be the USP to not go with MS.
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I'd wait. I think most will work but when it comes to headsets there are a lot with Optical Out and well theres no idea to know if the PS5 has one. PS4 slim ditched it but the Pro has it so ... who knows. Even in general dunno about headsets. I'd imagine the Sony ones will work for sure but besides that shrug
From what I've seen so far, nothing MS has shown me convinces me I need to get a XSX and instead just upgrade my PC and get GamePass.
A series X plus PSNOW or PC ports of Sony games is a good plan!
Thing is, my PC is oldish but runs the games I need to run there (Civ and PDS games mostly) just fine. Switch makes up for my Nintendo needs. I skipped the current gen (PS4/XBO), but is thinking of jumping in next gen. So far Xbox seems best for my needs, the one thing Sony has is exclusives. Not sure it's enough, really.
Both Flut and the Guthub leak were clocked at 2Ghz. Considering I doubt Sony will bin the chip for two different setups (one high in CUs, one high in clocks) which will make it more expensive just for a faster BC boost mode, I doubt it's a BC only clock. Whatever Oberon will be, it's probably trying to hit 2Ghz.
If you skipped current gen and are not just console warrioring here, your best bet is to buy one or both consoles now. They are both reasonably cheap and have insane libraries available to them for a low monthly subscription.
This is honestly the biggest thing that worries me about how the PS5 is doing PS4 BC. At some point in time the Sony hardware team is going to decide to cut off support for the PS4 because so many modes and hardware tests will be difficult for them. At this point its just a question of whether or not it happens with the PS5 Pro (which lets be honest, will happen at some point this gen) or with the PS6. Either way, their shortsighted method of BC is worrying to me and making me doubt whether jumping into the ecosystem is a good idea
Console warrioring? Only reall allegiance I have in consoles is Nintendo. I absolutely adore Nintendo. Else I've always been a PC guy, playing Civ and PDS mostly for the last decade and a half. Last non-Nintendo console I had was PS3, before that PS2. I can wait until next gen, it has no rush. :)
There's a constant trickle of posts like this.
You are literally one of Microsoft's target customers.
They don't care if you buy an xsx. They care if you have Gamepass. It's not some secret loophole you found 😊.
I can't wait for this narritive to die a horrible death. A 12+ tflops announcement would do just that (definitely expecting similar specs to Series X).
EDIT: I'm not saying that you're pushing it, I'm talking in general terms.
Yeah, that does make it less likely to be 54CU @ 2ghz and just 36 or something in-between and Cerny got a new way to close on the fly some random amount of CUs.
And haven't you said in past that 2 GHZ could be the sweet spot for the node upgrade to N7P or 7nm+ ?
Ehh.. they'd rather you buy an xbox and have Xbox gamepass.
Those customers are likely far more lucrative for them; they have to by XBL Gold for one.. and the device contains a successful store where MS gets a 30% cut of all revenue from 3rd parties, revenue from all 3rd party hardware through licensing, etc.
Sorry I always point this out lol, but MS surely cares... they want people to be able to access their games from anywhere, but they still would prefer you are an actual Xbox customer.
They don't particularly care WHICH XBox you buy.
No offense, but why? There are only a few of the big PS exclusives on PS Now. There are almost none of the big PS exclusives on PC. And why would someone buy the XSX and a powerful, next-gen capable PC? Imo it makes more sense to get a PS5 + Xcloud. That way you can play ALL the exclusives day one. Xcloud + GP is just too good.
The one thing I don't get is how Microsoft benefitting from all those free months I've accumulated from promotions and AMD hardware tie-ins. 9 months accumulated so far. I don't really plan on paying once that runs out either. I know I'm not alone in this.
I think it's 8-9.2 TF now. People keep going back to GitHub and also cite BC w/PS4 may be a major reason why Sony can't go over 36CUs (a supposition that begs the question- how can Sony then make PS5 pro or PS6 with more power if they want to have BC with PS4...?).
You're not alone, but it doesn't cost MS much to let you play, and some (significant) % of people in your position will pay once that runs out. Companies aren't chasing after you, as an individual, to make a sale.
but its unlikely to be significantly cheaper to make than the xsx, unless it also has less ram, smaller ssd ect. the truth is it doesnt cost ms much more to make the better chip.
I guess the theory is there are enough people who WILL subscribe to make it worthwhile for them. A properly decent first party line up dropping day one on game pass would make it almost insane value even for people who today think that won't be the case.
This is the correct answer if you have the funds. New gpus coming out will leave the new consoles well behind power wise, but again it'll cost a decent amount of money (worth it)
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True but I think PS exclusives are eventually launching day one on PSNOW and PC, so honestly consoles won't be necessary eventually
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I honestly don't see that happening day one since their exclusives sell gangbusters.
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