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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
I’m glad to see we’ve moved pass thinking the Github leak was confirmation of anything.www.resetera.com
It isn't confirmation of anything, and (most) of those who put some stock in the Github leak aren't saying it is. Even the poster you're quoting described it as a probability. There is no "confirmation" of anything until it's direct from the horses mouth - everything else is heresay, whether that's from Github, Digital Foundry, or "insiders".
That doesn't mean people can't base their expectations around these rumours though. I do suspect that you'd be less likely to try and shut down other people's expectations if they closer matched your own.
I thought they verified that the info did leak from AMD from actual tests (instead of someone making up numbers). What they did not confirm was that the hardware that was tested is going to be the final hardware that will end up in the PS5.
Well I'm glad you bought that up, since I've been wondering about people who selectively ignored what was written in that Digital Foundry article.
This is the only thing they could verify.
By Komachi we know the Oberon B0 from June 2019 github* is far from been the final chip, we had Oberon C0, Oberon D0 and Oberon E0 at least and it seems the chip was in testing mode later than Xbox Series X APU.
It was my Google drive content which was deleted by AMD.
What Matt told is that it is not the final chip and it can goes in two way maybe the chip was downclocked but three majors revision for a simple frequency change seems a bit strange or it was a much bigger change.
*May 2019 Oberon test
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What I'm getting from your last few posts is this -
"Yes, of course both next gen consoles will have hardware based raytracing. Except the XSeX will have proper hardware in the gpu dedicated to raytracing while the PS5 won't have any such hardware features. No no, but they're both the same. That's what I'm saying see? Also, who's Mark Cerny and why does he keep lying?"
I've only said the 2GHz configuration is feasible, I did not imply it will be the final form.
It's so damned transparent that i'm amazed that he thinks that people wont see what he's actually saying.
And it isn't. We can just look at how, with what we know, that it isn't viable production wise.
To reiterate, it's only viable/feasible, if you omit the problems a 36CU 2Ghz RDNA1/1.5 GPU will encounter.
I'm out of the speculation for a very long time.
Can someone really TL;DR what we're currently at?
XSX slightly more powerful thant PS5 (something like 12TF vs 10TF) but mostly identical and both at 500$ at launch. Right?
GPUs run software, its what shaders are. Unless there is dedicated hardware to run instructions on the GPU then its software and not in anyway hardware. It is clear that the raytracing is hardware accelerated using fixed function dedicated hardware in both the PS5 and XSX and there's no evidence otherwise, other than people fundamentally misunderstanding what the words 'software' and 'hardware' mean.
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One leak is all it takes to trash that $5000 PC. Quite unnerving.
One revision would have been more than enough for doing it. ;) It is how it was gone from 1 GHz to 1.8 Ghz and finally 2 Ghz. No need to do three steppings for a simple downclock or upclock. I just say than github leak is not the final chip and the end of the story. The last people saying than the two consoles are very close is Jason Schreier on era the 4th and 9th december 2019 and I trust him.
EDIT: Probably XSX comes a little bit on top.
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Well he's not unlike timdog.
Anyways it doesn't really matter who he is. Just that he's being deceptive.
That data point was not from a dev at GDC. Remember that Gonzalo was found way before GitHub. Gonzalo was 20dCU at 1.8 GHz equals 9.216 TF. Which also matches 18dCU at 2.0 GHz equals 9.216 TF. It's crazy, I know, but they had been testing this Oberon/Gonzalo thing from as early as late 2018. So Josh cobbled together a rumor around GDC time based on this info. If you really TRUST the FACTS from twitter Josh, here is what he recently said about the Series X:
So is that where we are at now? Seems like a reputable source, amirite!
LMAO
Thanks, user hwraytracer! Anything else you know?
Yes! Back to 8 TF!
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I'm out of the speculation for a very long time.
Can someone really TL;DR what we're currently at?
XSX slightly more powerful thant PS5 (something like 12TF vs 10TF) but mostly identical and both at 500$ at launch. Right?
We are at XsX @12tf and PS5 @9-14tf. Both with hardware raytracing but the XsX is hardware based while the PS5 is hardware accelerated. Something along those lines.
Bruh, I hate when people ask for TDLR.
TDLR: nothing has changed in two OTs.
All evidence for that this guy doesn't know anything, thanks for posting this.
I think I did.... native mode would be either... the PS5 running PS4 games in their naive mode; i.e Native GPU CU number and Native clocks for the games that for whatever reason doesn't boost well or doesn't have a PS4pro patch or version. And running games with a dedicated PS4pro mode in their "native mode" without giving it a PS5 boost.
The point here is, we simply cannot know (regardless of the literature) if that is all the available resources the system has when what that leak showed was clearly BC testing.
Another point is this... if for any reason the PS5 is 9ish TF compared to the XSX 12ish TF.... I doubt a single person out there would be saying they are close in power much less some even saying he PS5 has the edge. There is just too much conflict between the two threads of information we have.
I think ray tracing in the PS5 is hardware encouraged.
"Go get those rays, son!"
"Aw man, you're tracing the hell out of those paths dog!"
Cerny seems all about positive reinforcement.
"Go get those rays, son!"
"Aw man, you're tracing the hell out of those paths dog!"
Cerny seems all about positive reinforcement.
Yep.
The discourse is mostly 80% pointing out the problems with the github leak and what spawned out of it.
Says a lot that they would rather talk about this than speculate about the other console, and then complain that the quality of discourse has dropped.
Hardware Suggested Ray Tracing:
"Now you're feeling like tracing some rays"
"Slowly you drift into a contact hardening penumbra"
Remember, its a hybrid conversion. From DBB:
Lol, maybe it more hardware bargaining.
"Please son, if you trace the rays I'll buy an ice cream."
Oh well, it's a shit show of talking in circles again. I just post gifs mostly. I just woke up so apologies for my gruffness.
No no, it's actually "Hardware Passed Raytracing"
"Why are you passing me by Ray? I need you to go through me, to use me. I traced you all the way here! You Can't just ignore me again!!"
I'm not writing off the github leak at all, I just think fast and narrow is such a weird choice given the little we know about AMD's new line up than if it's correct I'd really be interested in finding out the rationale.
Perhaps it's a simple as: better yield even after allowing for clocking tolerance = Acceptable performance for lower total cost even after cooling considerations.
But it seems a bit of a limiting route.
Perhaps it's a simple as: better yield even after allowing for clocking tolerance = Acceptable performance for lower total cost even after cooling considerations.
But it seems a bit of a limiting route.
Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me if the XSX comes out on to, but no way in hell is that going to be to the tune of 8-9TF vs 12TF. Its even worse when you consider that to get to that 8-9TF we are also to believe that sony is taking a small chip and pushing it as hard as they possibly can with expensive cooling and all that.
I can see fast and narrow being a thing. The issue here is "how narrow" Narrow to the tune of a 36CU GPU makes absolutely zero sense to me. Especially if MS is getting 56-60CU!!!! Like come on, somehow the best sony could do was go for 36CU after all the years of designing the PS5 closely with AMD?
40CU, 44CU...48CU, those all seem more likely than just going with 36CU for reasons.
The longer Sony waits, the more powerful the console becomes. It's gotta incubate in the lab a bit longer before they let it loose upon the world.
Sony's too broke to be bargaining like that, what are you talking about?
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I'm in the 9tf is PS5 in PS4 Pro "Super Boost" mode camp and not full PS5 power from the Github leak.
And now there's wet oats all over my keyboard. Thank you.
But it's not just about "the best they can do". If the best they can do was about raw specs and nothing else, they'd all be releasing multi thousand dollar god machines.
It's about the best performance you can get, for the price point your aiming for, within the form factor you want, and any other design goals you might have.
Are people genuinely doing this?
Not sure if they're doing it "genuinely" but they're doing it.
Just look at recent posts from TimStone .
Even though I hate the fact that we keep going in circles with the Github stuff at least I understand it. But there is 0 excuse for people to still question the Raytracing implementation of the PS5.
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