PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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People spending pages discussing "leaks" that they admittedly say are fake is not discussing speculation on next gen.
About the leak, 18 GB of GDDR6 at 576GB/s is the most suspect that's a 384bit bus, you can easily get 672GB/s to feed your 12.2TF GPU. Also wrote DDR6. No legit leaks have mixed up DDR and GDDR in the past.
Instead they chose to downclock 14gbps chips to have less bw?
Imo someone didn't know enough about specs to make a convincing one.
So far all the leaked Flute and Oberon stuff pointed to 16GB 256 bit bus, and ~530GB/s. Bus size can't be changed without designing a new APU.
Instead they chose to downclock 14gbps chips to have less bw?
Imo someone didn't know enough about specs to make a convincing one.
So far all the leaked Flute and Oberon stuff pointed to 16GB 256 bit bus, and ~530GB/s. Bus size can't be changed without designing a new APU.
And 12,2 Tflops at 1,8 Ghz doesnt fit neither with 56 Cus nor 54.
If we go by things we got from GitHub then the first issue is 12.2 TF instead of 9 TF lol.
Leaks(for 15m so not confirmed and lots of em would be those $1),official releases(for 65 and 48M), xbox itself(for most played).
Ok I concede that point I just don't think discussion of leaks even the fake ones are inherently bad but once you deem it fake you shouldn't continue talking about if as if it wasn't. Unless you believe parts of it to be true.
The forumula:
52 (CU)*64(No. of stream processors per CU)*1.8 (clock frequency)*2 (FP32?! I am not sure about this one) = 11980.8 GFlops or 11.98 TF
Edit: 56 yields 12.9TF for same clock and so it will most likely be less in frequency if they are going that wide.
There are more in the leak that was suspect. I picked out the one that was the most egregious to me.
RT core is a Nvdia only thing.
Also why would you "dedicate" a RT core to audio. This is reminding me of the CUs only for compute and physics for PS4 last gen.
The whole point of async compute is to use free GPU cycles on physics / audio.
What, number are leaking now ? If they have to be leaked then it means that they are nothing to be proud of otherwise Microsoft would be pumping their chests with it.
Let us stop that nonsense.
Microsoft don't release numbers period
Last official comment we had was from Phil who said it's millions.
|OT 9| 1 through 10 are part of the ecosystem and every number is supported equally.
Not really if you consider any BVH accelerator an "RT core". Their capabilities can be widely different of course.
Ya sorry that's what I was really getting at...just worded it very poorly. I think we are in agreement :P
For me PC makes most sense. I already play my Xbox games on PC. I use an HDMI splitter from monoprice - for my local monitor and my OLED set. It works great to do things in a pinch.
If PlayStation truly embraces PC day and date, I'll move over to that platform. The flexibility to control visuals, framerate, and have better fidelity across the board is exciting since Playstation 1st party are my favorite devs.
It will be interesting to go from what was done for characters with for characters in real time gameplay on a 1.84TF console to an 8+TF one:
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Imho, teraflop obsession should be left behind for good.
Sony and MS don't really want to promote their new consoles by their "teraflop" factor, just like Intel couldn't use "megahertz" to tell people about how much better the Core arch was, compared to NetBurst.
AMD went from a 12-13TF Vega to a better 9-10TF Navi. They don't really want or need to talk about teraflops.
It will all be about benchmarks and mostly what they can accomplish with the new hardware.
Sony and MS don't really want to promote their new consoles by their "teraflop" factor, just like Intel couldn't use "megahertz" to tell people about how much better the Core arch was, compared to NetBurst.
AMD went from a 12-13TF Vega to a better 9-10TF Navi. They don't really want or need to talk about teraflops.
It will all be about benchmarks and mostly what they can accomplish with the new hardware.
So to justify under 10 tflops now we're hearing it's near 14 tflops under the old architecture. Sounds like a fantasy.
I think you made Mecha Meister leave us hanging here with this... we'll be on page 25,000, forever OT9.
All I can say to you, I built a PC just 2019. I was hoping for a smooth gaming experience. Did not happen. The same driver / background app dilemma like 15 years ago, especially if you use the PC for other things too, like I do. You will miss the console experience and don't forget that the better performance comes at a price point that is beyond what you have to pay for a console.
Or maybe the delay will just end up making the OT # fall right into place!
You missed it.
Cerny streamed it on TikTok few minutes ago. PS5 is 14 TFs and has a dedicated TikTok button. Comes with an official Cerny faceplate too.
1,8 could just be rounded / ballpark figure. No-one should be expecting the final frequencies of either XBSX or PS5 to be exactly 1x00 / 1x50 imo
This will likely be the last generation we ever talk talk about TFLOPS in any real capacity. After 50 TFLOPS we are going to hit diminishing returns and the generation following the upcoming one could easily start around 100Tflops.
I have a gaming PC and a PS4 Pro, also an Xbox One X which I mainly use for the Microsoft rewards since I can redeem Amazon Gift Cards.
Still I will buy first party games, even if the PS5 reaches 60fps as a standard, as I like to buy physical media regardless if it comes to games or movies. I'm not paying $60 for a digital copy and $25 for a movie digital copy in which the video and audio is highly compressed.
I like to physically own my purchases, I will buy the PC version if I like the game a lot, to play it at 60fps and if it's $10 or less. Red Dead Redemption II may have been a great game to the majority of the people, but I'm glad I was able to sell it after starting chapter 2.
Still I will buy first party games, even if the PS5 reaches 60fps as a standard, as I like to buy physical media regardless if it comes to games or movies. I'm not paying $60 for a digital copy and $25 for a movie digital copy in which the video and audio is highly compressed.
I like to physically own my purchases, I will buy the PC version if I like the game a lot, to play it at 60fps and if it's $10 or less. Red Dead Redemption II may have been a great game to the majority of the people, but I'm glad I was able to sell it after starting chapter 2.
I can't even imagine what ND will do with a zen2 + Navi gpu. Lol
Really hope so and it's not the first time there have been some rumours of a possible sequel.
The Order really deserves a second chance because the world and lore had a lot of potential.
it is fun looking at old PS4/XboxOne Launch and Launch Window games in anticipation for next gen
I wonder the design, graphical and artistic approach devs will choose for the next gen
I wonder the design, graphical and artistic approach devs will choose for the next gen
this leak is bullshit for many reasons, but you are missing an obvious explanation on this specific case.
its rounded down to 1.8ghz.
could be ~1830mhz.
however, i can assure you its a fake.
nope
Absolutely.
The developers should really get another chance to show what they're capable of.
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