So you think PlayStation 5 will have less than 9.2 teraflops? It would make sense. This would probably be the best scenario:
Xbox Series S: 4 TF, 299$
PlayStation 5: 8 TF, 399$
Xbox Series X: 10 TF, 499$
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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Xbox Series S: 4 TF, 299$
PlayStation 5: 8 TF, 399$
Xbox Series X: 10 TF, 499$
Jim Ryan also said:
If they're trying to rapidly move PS4 players over to PS5, I'd wager a $499 (or more) console isn't the best way to do it.
But a $399 one sure as hell is.
Something I was thinking about. Cerny said he was doing the first Wired interview to get ahead of potential leaks as a result of the devkits they were about to send out. Is it possible that, in order to get ahead of the spec leaks that are likely to happen at CES (if we go by 2013), Sony might choose to surprise drop the PS5 spec list at CES, along with confirming the PS Meeting in February?
BTW, something no one is talking about is that Klee has told us XSX is 64 CU while the Github leak shows 56 CU. Just a random thought I had.
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I don't know what PS5 final specs will be, but I don't think 36 CU with a high-end CPU and SSD is so far fetched for a 399$ PS5.
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I totally agree, but it doesn't mean a 399$ strategy isn't a valid one. I mean, it worked really well for PS4. If you put PS4 in a bubble, ignore the Xbox One, it was a 399$ console aimed at break-even or profit day-one (remember that the extra 4GB of GDDR4 increase the BOM to 388$, it should have been a sub 350$ BOM console before the upgrade). Their CPU was so terrible that it's comparable to the PS3's in power and GPU was really weak compared to what was available on PC. If you think about it, the only reason PS4 seemed powerful was that Xbox One was so weak.
I don't know what PS5 final specs will be, but I don't think 36 CU with a high-end CPU and SSD is so far fetched for a 399$ PS5.
Dual GPU, ReRam aren't speculation from many peoples.
HBM2 is more realistic because the major problem of it was the cost and it is down now.
HBM2 is more realistic because the major problem of it was the cost and it is down now.
There also Cerny and CEO that said the cost will be worth it .
Plus them getting users over faster than ever before can be done in many ways that is not only about price .
In fact they could go $449 for all we know.
Didn't the same happen with Lockhart before? The same insiders who confirmed it than cancelled it than reconfirmed it again.
Anyway Klee does seem to be confident in his info so I guess time will tell if he is right (btw I have no problem with Klee or Matt but I remain sceptical yet)
Klee did not say the GPU is 64 CU read after he plays and said to someone the maths if anexanhume is right.
He said bingo to the math and then went along with the people who said 64 CU. Unless I misunderstood him.
Lockhart has cancel and then comeback at the end of the year
I honestly don't understand the aversion people seem too be having towards insider rumours. I see no reason to question anything Matt has said at this stage. When we have some firm specs, maybe things will change.
In the Threadmarks it only says bingo to the number, we assume that the Dante devkit has 1450Mhz and Anex did the math.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
Dropping SMT would only make the CPU marginally smaller and significantly less efficient. Wouldn't do much to temps.
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The threadmark reads as 64 CU, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so considering the mod who threadmarked it called it " Kleegamefan - Possible Xbox Series X GPU Compute Unit Count?". If it was cleared later then forget that I ever said anything :)
Yep, about a week later. There was a post about it a few pages ago
InterestingNext-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
Dropping SMT would only make the CPU marginally smaller and significantly less efficient. Wouldn't do much to temps.
The threadmark reads as 64 CU, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so considering the mod who threadmarked it called it " Kleegamefan - Possible Xbox Series X GPU Compute Unit Count?". If it was cleared later then forget that I ever said anything :)
But I do think he said "bingo" on the TF number. Was it after or before the WindowsCentral 12 TF news?
The decision to postpone the release of the PS5 was made in 2017, at this time the 2019 PS5 APU design would be well under way. There are a few obvious reasons Sony would want to continue developping and testing this APU, while also branching out from it to make an hypothetical updated 2020 APU. "Financial implications" sure wouldn't stop them from doing that...
Maybe, but it was 10 days after the 12TF news and long after every insider has confirmed it.
And I want to be clear, I think Kleegamefan is awesome, I would never assume he doesn't tell the truth and his contribution to this thread has been amazing. He tells us what he knows, which is amazing, even if now and then if his knowledge isn't up to date he can be wrong (for instance Lockheart being alive). You can't expect an insider to know everything at any given time unless they are Phil Spencer and Mark Cerny :)
Well....at the current moment, most are choosing to actively ignore/deny/bemoan leaked and confirmed/verified data like the Github leak. As some others have said, currently, that's the only hard data we have to go on.
The rest is well....nothing really.
See, this isn't even about the TF number. It's about the logic being used to come to the conclusions people are coming to. Those who feel/believe the PS5 might be the "stronger" console don't appear to be basing it on anything....concrete (for want of a better word). Yet those same people are more than happy to crack the shits at those suggesting the PS5 might be "weaker" based on....actual leaked data (no matter it's age).
This is why these threads continue to be an endless shit show.
The final TF number is ultimately irrelevant. Sony would sell 100 million PS5 with a 5TF console, a 6TF console, a 9TF console and most likely a 12TF console (depending on its price). I hope I'm wrong and Sony has somehow secretly hidden the truth from all of us and surprises everyone with a 14TF monster. Then we can have 2 ridiculously overpowered consoles to enjoy without needing mid-gen upgrades and maybe actually move to 60fps becoming the standard.
But currently, based on nothing more than the more concrete information we have at hand (that hasn't come from insiders), stuff that's come from actual leaked data, that doesn't appear to be the case.
But here's a question. Why is it a problem? Let's say the PS5 does turn out to be 9TF. Is that such a bad thing? Would it be the end of the world? The way some are acting at the prospect of it, you'd think that would be the case. Personally, as someone still rocking a Panasonic 1080p Plasma, a 9TF PS5 will still give me the 1080/60 gaming I crave that currently only the One X provides with any kind of consistency. Lockhart will probably even give me that. Let alone a 9TF PS5.
Speaking of 56CU,reminder:Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
Dropping SMT would only make the CPU marginally smaller and significantly less efficient. Wouldn't do much to temps.
The threadmark reads as 64 CU, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so considering the mod who threadmarked it called it " Kleegamefan - Possible Xbox Series X GPU Compute Unit Count?". If it was cleared later then forget that I ever said anything :)
Btw, if Series X really has 56CU as we heard that means 60/56CU GPU design?
Data is all it is. Without context, it is not information.
But it's still better than "insider info" no matter how you slice it.
Yes, probably. We saw in the Github leak that XSX has the same SE count as a 5700XT, so two WGPs will have to be disabled for yields or the chip will be really expensive.
Matt was questioned several times over the last few months. But he doesn't need to prove anything, his track record speaks for itself and it started back on the old site.
I like Klee and I trust him, he's sharing what he heard from a dev friend that's it. Also unlike most insiders here, Kleegamefan is one of the few that is NOT biased.
Without context it is no better. We have no idea what the data relates to really.
No. It really isn't. It's some numbers, without any context and not necessarily related at all to the PS5 we'll be getting in 2020.
The Github numbers don't align with alot of what has been rumored. And Matt has straight up suggested that they're inaccurate. That's why people are leaning away from them.
TFs don't gain interest brah.
Downgrade from fried French toast fucking insane to batshit insane.
There's many ways to "force" a move to a new console. People are reading too much into these comments and making assumptions on PS5 being 399€.
For instance I also remember reading a couple of months ago that PS5 would have the latest features in tech and be targeted at hardcore players, and this was coming directly from one of the higher ups at Sony, I guess I could also say PS5 would be 599€ based on those comments (i won't).
I'm wondering if they are thinking of a trade up program?
For me it's important. Because I will choose this year between a new GPU or going directly on next gen console. I can only get maximum a 5700 equivalent because my CPU will bottleneck
Well, unless you mean the interest of nerds.
Yes, with the exception of the PS4's 4GB RAM - but that really was what devs thought at the time.
This makes no sense, do you mean you will wait for the PS5 Pro? Its not like it will get more powerful. Or are you simply waiting for it to drop to 299?
I agree, even fighting over TFs doesn't make sense anymore since its not a reliable metric
But its easy number for people to understand so they fight over it lol
Having 8 extra gigs of ram and at much faster speeds will be a game changer.
Yup that was the first big accurate leak of 8th gen, this an VGLeaks. That was exciting times, and this article contributed to 8GB megaton being so big when it happened.
It's not even GPU performance, it TF, which is even more superficial :)
Most probably 56/52 design. hmqgg is probably talking about the devkit will all CUs enabled. When he said it matches, I think he is talking about the clocks. He never confirmed both will have the same number of tflops.
56CUs (total) make perfectly sense because it's the 5700XT design with just another row of WGP added on each sides of the butterfly.
So it must be around 1.8ghz frequency actually to get 12tf with 52CUs.
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