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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
- Thread starter Phoenix Splash
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We're not sure of anything - just that this looks faster so we want it :D
Zen 3 could be doable, Zen 1 is not going to happen. There's no point in porting Zen 1 to 7nm and no one in their right mind will be using 14nm for high end SoCs in 2020.
Because 7nm Zen made by TSMC is Zen2.
Original Zen was 16nm design.
Zen+ was 12nm.
PS5 AMD APU will most certainly be 7nm TSMC chip.
Sure are a lot of numbers here. Not any closer to solving the riddle though. Can we fast forward 4 months.
Yeah, multiple SKUs is such huge problem, it's never been a succes....... "Looks at the Xbox One S, Xbox One X, PS4 & PS4 Pro"
I think Sony and Microsoft are enjoying being able to sell to the $250 crowd and the $500 crowd and the resulting profits just fine, thank you very much.
If you don't know the difference between a midgen upgrade and launching 2 SKUs, then I really see no point arguing with you on the matter of hardware manufacturing.
I was just typing a response similar to this. People need to realize this. Also, everyone saying that the X proves that a higher price point is feasible aren't looking at the raw numbers for sales. People are still far more price sensitive than is being assumed
Very good description. AMD currently has the "uncore" (I/O) @ 12nm using Global Foundries.
I'd add that DARPA has paid AMD to develop Chiplet building blocks for their projects by 2020-2021. The US Department of Energy has paid AMD to develop a Exa-scale computer that will be built with 10,000 APUs that are assembled from GPU and CPU chiplets without video I/O.
The crux of the DARPA program is to develop a new technological framework in which different functionalities and blocks of intellectual property—among them data storage, computation, signal processing, and managing the form and flow of data—can be segregated into small chiplets, which then can be mixed, matched, and combined onto an interposer, somewhat like joining the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Conceivably an entire conventional circuit board with a variety of different but full-sized chips could be shrunk down onto a much smaller interposer hosting a huddle of yet far smaller chiplets.
AMD is in the running for Department Of Energy Invests $258 Million To Build An Exascale Supercomputer
On Thursday, the United States Department of Energy's Exascale Computing Project announced it was awarding six companies -- AMD, Cray, HPE, IBM, Intel and Nvidia -- $258 million to research building the nation's first exascale supercomputer.
An exascale supercomputer would be capable of computing 1 million trillion floating-point operations per second.
The funding will be doled out over a three-year period. The Obama Administration made the first commitment to an exascale supercomputer in 2015. This new set of investments accelerates the time frame from 2023 to 2021.
Also, this image has been floating around related to DARPA's CHIPS project with the semi industry including AMD.
did you just compare mid-gen refreshes and slim models to having multiple SKUs at launch......
Has anyone got a rough idea of how the original PS4's power draw is split up between CPU, GPU, memory, HD, optical drive and other features?
Maybe due to being a mid-gen refresh they were able to be aggressive, but with PS5 needing an entirely new CPU as well as GPU they will need more time? I dunno. I still don't see how they have enough time to sort yields out when Navi is still being worked on atm.
It's November, so to launch in Fall 2019 they have like what, 6 months to finalise every aspect of the hardware and product? Ehhh.
Are we...sure ps5 is Navi 2? No one knows of the delay is real, but If it was supposed to be released 2019 would zen 2 even be possible?
Edit: wasn't their a report that Said it would have elements of zen 2 but not the whole thing? At the same time zen 2 is fundamentally 7nm, zen and zen plus are not. So it's just very confusing
Edit: wasn't their a report that Said it would have elements of zen 2 but not the whole thing? At the same time zen 2 is fundamentally 7nm, zen and zen plus are not. So it's just very confusing
well, they won't be waiting until this AMD presentation and then giving them a call - they'll have seen this and their roadmap well ahead of time. Just like they saw polaris/Vega info long before it was made public.
So you can't necessarily read anything into launch timing based on this AMD event.
Math comparison is useless for normal people. We need to showcase the Zen2 improvement using the proper, internationally accepted, comparison method...
... of DBZ power levels.
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With no rumours or leaks or anything regarding PS5 specs or hardware I imagine their APU design or whatever is still in the oven.
So again, I don't see how they are going to launch in 2019.
The PS4 Pro got another revision to trim acoustics. This continual improvement is a good sign. Hopefully they're learning for PS5.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-playstation-4-pro-cuh-7200-review
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-playstation-4-pro-cuh-7200-review
What was the lead time for ps pro info leaking from devs? Assuming the architecture remains stable x86/AMD GPU, I think pro is more of a guide than original PS4 as that was a big change from PS3. If existing tools etc all work moving forwards on PS5 they may be able to do a much shorter run in to launch.
The simple fact of absolutely no news is weirdly lending my thoughts to 2019.
I think if there was no possibility they would have come straight out and said so by now.
That being said, there is no way to prove anything definitive either way until we get official word.
No one can really tell you the power consumption of individual components on the APU die because its a single die. I doubt it would be an easy thing to measure.
The memory, HDD amd optical drive can probably be found by a google search. Why don't you have a go?
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_DqP5DG7w or just a good guess. OLED for PSVR2 is likely wrong, 1080P/eye resolution for PSVR2 likely wrong. . Stream processors 3640 are not a multiple of 64
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laughed out loud at Japan being a "first tier" region and Europe being a "second tier" region when Europe is a much, much larger console market than Japan.
Why not? Microsoft and Apple release multiple SKUs of the Surface and iPad at the same time.
You guys are still stuck in the old-school console world where everything was coded to the the very custom and one-off metal.
Welcome to the new console world (especially for Microsoft) where the hardware is hidden behind a wall of software APIs.
-Developers will be able to make a game for a $250 console a $500 console and even a $100 streaming-only box with almost zero extra effort.
-Microsoft will be able to say they have the cheapest console AND be able to say they have the most powerful console
All your hand wringing about the complexity of multiple SKUs and hardware is ringing totally hollow to me... they do this already with other devices. Consoles are the same.
I call bullshit based on the supposed render of the device alone; no new generation of console has followed the looks of its predecessor that closely, and the idea of a PS2&4 hybrid screams lazy to me.
They've thrown in 'dedicated hardware for [anti aliasing solutions]' without any thought as to what this means. If you've got dedicated hardware performing decent quality MSAA, then you don't need to worry about DLSS or TAA. And as for DLSS, it's reliant on machine learning - and there's nothing about that in these specs. It's also an NVidia term, so I would expect an eventual AMD equivalent to have its own acronym.
As for the specs, I doubt we're going to see less physical cores than this gen, especially if backwards compatibility is a thing. You're not going to hope that HT is going to treat data for a software thread as good as a dedicated hardware thread.
And when it comes to the meat, the 11.2tflop GPU, 16gb ram and a 2tb HDD are all reasonable but obvious conservative estimates that have come up frequently here.
For those asking about IPC:
Zen is 50% higher than Jaguar. Zen 2 may be up to 30% faster than Zen according to AMD's press release. Couple that with a likely minimum increase in clock to 2.8GHz and we're looking at 3.4x single-threaded performance, with a max theoretical 6.8x multi-threaded speedup due to 8C/16T. FP workloads will be even higher.
This is all in roughly the same power envelope, give or take 5/10W TDP.
Zen is 50% higher than Jaguar. Zen 2 may be up to 30% faster than Zen according to AMD's press release. Couple that with a likely minimum increase in clock to 2.8GHz and we're looking at 3.4x single-threaded performance, with a max theoretical 6.8x multi-threaded speedup due to 8C/16T. FP workloads will be even higher.
This is all in roughly the same power envelope, give or take 5/10W TDP.
this is probably going to be my last reply to you, because it seems you dont really understand how this works. to put it very simply:
when multiple SKUs had no difference but storage space, they were more hurtful than harmful when it came to things like manufacturing, shipping, product orders, marketing, product placement, customer service, customer support, logistics etc. All things that go in to the process of selling a new console.
Now take into account you are discussing multiple SKUs that have actual different features between consoles and different user experiences. Youre multiplying everything i said above by a large number. Only increasing the hassle. There was a reason why there was only 1 type of PS4 and XB1 at launch.
If you think any of the platform holders will launch multiple SKUs at launch, even just a 1TB & 2TB version, that is mistaken. Now add to that you think there will be things like a mid-grade cheap version, a super powerful overpriced version, and a bare bones streaming console for dirt cheap? Like i said on your original post, whatever planet you envision this happening on, it's not earth. There will be *one* PS5, and *one* Xbox Scarlet.
This will ensure that all launch logistics are aligned, marketing is aligned, and the consumer base is aligned. Mid-gen refreshes dont have to worry about this because they have their own set of these logistics. So comparing them to multiple launch SKUs makes zero sense.
Someone sent that to me too. It is extremely fake. Like I've said a million times before, don't count on 2019.
people expecting a launch in 12 months but we have heard nothing yet. it's like...be realistic.
I have one.
Bought in Spain with the Fifa 19 bundle. Dead silent!
Even gaming with the TV on mute I can't hear the console on the shelf under the TV while I sit on the couch.
Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?
To be fair, he isnt a spokeperson for sony or MS.
He cant make that announcement.
bodes very well, their launch engineering left a lot to be desired. they need to get One X quiet out of the gate.
Am I the only one who thinks 16 gigs of ram would be a small number for a true generation jump? Of course, anything above that would greatly affect the final price, even more with them releasing an improved version of the same console in the future. But I would like to see the strongest console possible from the start, with something between 18 and 24 gigs.
It is on the small side, but we're helped by the fact that top resolution is very unlikely to change this generation (4K) and Navi will have HBCC and more memory compression techniques to lighten memory usage.
Genuine rumors are very unlikely to be broken on YouTube. It's a haven for sensationalist content unfortunately.
What do you mean by "what happened with PS4 Pro"?
I cannot definitively say "2019 isn't happening" because I do not work for Sony and I have not been briefed on the PS5. All I can say is that people I've talked to about this, some of whom have been briefed, do not believe that 2019 is happening.
To be fair he is not kodera to make that call.he is telling u what he has heard from people in industry. Be realstic, we are 12 month away from late 2019 and we don't even have a project name of ps5 let alone specs . And reason is that it probably isn't even finalised on Sony's end yet.
Looks like someone merged the design for PS2, launch Xbox One, and PS4 lol.
Just the fact it came out of nowhere at GDC 2016 and even devs were questioning whether it was coming out that year as it seemed 'exploratory' and very few devs even knew anything about it.
I think you know what I meant......No worries, I'll leave it there.
Ruling something out implies that you have some information to stave your conclusion. And as he keeps saying, while he's erring towards 2019 probably not being the case, he doesn't really have any conclusive statements to say that it definitely won't be the case.