Ah, so you too believe there shouldn't be a state? Well guess what class of people advocate and necessitate a state which allows things like police brutality, poverty, and starvation to exist? Or do you mean you don't believe in violence in self-defense? So people do not have the right to defend themselves?Same reason I don't believe in either vigilante violence or in capital punishment--even against *really* distasteful people.
I'm anti-billionaire, but this is straight stupid.
A community like Era can't staunchly renounce the death penalty, and then turn around and cheer for capital punishment.
Erect a burning effigy of his wealth, break windows, abolish shit. But this is wack.
Hmmm, I think this is just a bunch of hypocritical beliefs held by Neoliberalism. You can be against state violence but for self defense (of which, this is). Also, like others have side, this is merely a threat of violence.I'm anti-billionaire, but this is straight stupid.
A community like Era can't staunchly renounce the death penalty, and then turn around and cheer for capital punishment.
Erect a burning effigy of his wealth, break windows, abolish shit. But this is wack.
Edit: And no, being ok with someone dying/disappearing is completely different than directly advocating to kill them.
People are so giddy about their revenge fantasies. It's pretty fucking deranged.
"I don't think we should cut his head off" is caping for someone now?
I'm anti-billionaire, but this is straight stupid.
A community like Era can't staunchly renounce the death penalty, and then turn around and cheer for capital punishment.
Erect a burning effigy of his wealth, break windows, abolish shit. But this is wack.
Edit: And no, being ok with someone dying/disappearing is completely different than directly advocating to kill them.
Uh
We don't actually want him dead.
This is just a symbol, just like an effigy. An "eat the rich"-like metaphor.
A set of cases of people getting guillotine? Where?You don't get to make death threat or rape threat and then say
Uhm i don't really mean it.
There is a set of actions where stuff have to be taken on face value.
I literally said I'm cool with breaking and burning shit. I'm not a "you have to protest peacefully" type. I just draw a hard line at alluding to wanting to kill someone. Shit just isn't good.One can be against the death penalty and realize we are reaching a tipping point where the continued ignoring of peaceful methods will cause for more escalation.
Miss me with this trash.Hmmm, I think this is just a bunch of hypocritical beliefs held by Neoliberalism.
are you sure that you want to compare leaving a guillotine outside of a very specific persons house to rape threats?You don't get to make death threat or rape threat and then say
Uhm i don't really mean it.
Again, you really have to define if you think self-defense is okay. If it's not then we should just abide by the state at all times? What if the state dictates that your race is now illegal?You don't get to make death threat or rape threat and then say
Uhm i don't really mean it.
There is a set of actions where stuff have to be taken on face value.
You don't get to make death threat or rape threat and then say
Uhm i don't really mean it.
There is a set of actions where stuff have to be taken on face value.
are you sure that you want to compare leaving a guillotine outside of a very specific persons house to rape threats?
How many people you know be dying from aNo i say that is a death threat.
The rape part is another category of threat where I think should be taken at face value. With no wiggle room for. "I did not really mean it"
The guillotine references the reign of terror, where thousands of people--some of whom *really* deserved it, and others who probably didn't--were publicly slaughtered without trial.Ah, so you too believe there shouldn't be a state? Well guess what class of people advocate and necessitate a state which allows things like police brutality, poverty, and starvation to exist? Or do you mean you don't believe in violence in self-defense? So people do not have the right to defend themselves?
So you think protesters should be arrested on the grounds of threats? At that point you've made all protests illegal, since they are all threats.No i say that is a death threat.
The rape part is another category of threat where I think should be taken at face value. With no wiggle room for. "I did not really mean it"
Please tell me where that's happened at a protest in US in the last 4 months. How you don't understand this is a threat is the problem.The guillotine references the reign of terror, where thousands of people--some of whom *really* deserved it, and others who probably didn't--were publicly slaughtered without trial.
Do I think Jeff Bezos should be made to answer for the violence he's perpetrated? Yes. Do I want that to take the form of mob justice and a bloody, public spectacle? No.
If you're Jeff Bezos I don't think you see a guillotine and say "what a striking criticism of my wealth and power."Dude what? Even the article says the guillotine, unlike say rape threats, is "a frequently-used symbol by protesters criticising the mega-wealthy and politically powerful." The fact that metro police have sanctioned the zone to allow the protest means this is probably not to be taken at the same face value as making death or rape threats.
So you think protesters should be arrested on the grounds of threats? At that point you've made all protests illegal, since they are all threats.
If you're Jeff Bezos I don't think you see a guillotine and say "what a striking criticism of my wealth and power."
You think, someone is making a statement and wants to take my life.
Alright folks, no more protest threads. You heard the em. Abide by the state at all times.I think at least we should stop endorsing this kind of stuff in this forum.
I literally said I'm cool with breaking and burning shit. I'm not a "you have to protest peacefully" type. I just draw a hard line at alluding to wanting to kill someone. Shit just isn't good.
If you're Jeff Bezos I don't think you see a guillotine and say "what a striking criticism of my wealth and power."
You think, someone is making a statement and wants to take my life.
Alright folks, no more protest threads. You heard the em. Abide by the state at all times.
If that would be his take then I'd argue that the man simply is disconnected from reality or purposefully obtuse .If you're Jeff Bezos I don't think you see a guillotine and say "what a striking criticism of my wealth and power."
You think, someone is making a statement and wants to take my life.
You don't get to hit back when people enact violence on you? "Vigilante violence" is an arbitrary classification when "legitimate" avenues are corrupt and inherently unjust.Same reason I don't believe in either vigilante violence or in capital punishment--even against *really* distasteful people.
Listen, the point of the threat of violence here is to make billionaires question their actions and ask themselves "why would people threaten to hurt me". This is really the only way these people can express discontent towards a system that is fucking them because clearly nothing is happening at the legislative level that will address their issues in a timely manner.And again you put word in my quote i never pronounced. But ok.
If they left to Mars, I wonder what kind of Earth will be left behind.the rich have forgotten the social contract and think they starve us out and flee to mars. This isn't a threat of violence, this is self defense
Sometimes, you've got to put it in the only language they'll understand.Listen, the point of the threat of violence here is to make billionaires question their actions and ask themselves "why would people threaten to hurt me". This is really the only way these people can express discontent towards a system that is fucking them because clearly nothing is happening at the legislative level that will address their issues in a timely manner.
...I'm sorry if I'm not as forgiving to the man exploiting his workers just so his numbers go up another digit.
The only things they care about are themselves, so yeah. Absolutely. No billionaire is nice or good or gives a shit about the average person. This is merely a response in self defense to the violence already being placed on protestors.Sometimes, you've got to put it in the only language they'll understand.
I'm not here to defend Jeff Bezos of all people, but surely you have to understand that just because some people see intent one way, that doesn't mean other people will accept that or see it the same way. Just like you think my post is some how in defense of Jeff Bezos. Images, words, actions are not universal.
Bezos should be stripped of everything he has, sure. He doesn't deserve the wealth that was built on the backs of people who did nothing but suffer under him. He may even deserve prison, I dunno. Death? Not my place to say.
But don't pretend like parading around a guillotine is just an abstract image. If it is what it is, own up to it.
The Independent said:The guillotine – an execution device famously used during the French Revolution against the country's ruling class, and subsequently against revolutionary leaders – is a frequently-used symbol by protesters criticising the mega-wealthy and politically powerful.
A sign underneath the device read "Support our poor communities. Not our wealthy men."'
"Amazon works directly with police to surveil us, stoking racist fears in the name of profit. Doubling down on their union-busting mistreatment of workers, Amazon fired and racially slandered labour organiser Chris Smalls. Join us to tell Jeff Bezos enough is enough," the flyer read.
Protesters have also criticised the company for allegedly mistreating its employees and for selling facial recognition technology to law enforcement.
what if for every billionaire in the city, theres a massive hammer and sickle outside of their houseFair trade off: take down the guillotine and erect a massive hammer and sickle instead.
This is the problem when we legitimize state sanctioned violence. When it happens, its the reatliation to that violence which garners scrutiny and tutt tutting. I mean were not even seeing retaliation to it in this specific case and yet people want to finger wag over it.The upper class is literally putting those of us that have to work with a public on a guillotine by keeping or reopening businesses right now.
A guillotine is so anachronistic that it should be a pretty obvious metaphor. Bezos has a degree from Princeton, I'm sure he can figure it out.I'm not here to defend Jeff Bezos of all people, but surely you have to understand that just because some people see intent one way, that doesn't mean other people will accept that or see it the same way. Just like you think my post is some how in defense of Jeff Bezos. Images, words, actions are not universal.
Bezos should be stripped of everything he has, sure. He doesn't deserve the wealth that was built on the backs of people who did nothing but suffer under him. He may even deserve prison, I dunno. Death? Not my place to say.
But don't pretend like parading around a guillotine is just an abstract image. If it is what it is, own up to it.