He lost his train of thought literally once. It was a bad performance but the many people reading into it as anything other than a bad day for a candidate whose strengths and weaknesses have been known for years is a major stretch.
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President Biden: "I am running…no one’s pushing me out. I’m not leaving."
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The Heritage Foundation wants Biden to stay in the race, hence their threats with lawsuits if he cops out. This is what we're dealing with people;
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Ngl I can already see people blaming her for not running if Trump wins. Agreed it's weird to keep bringing her up
True but I was talking more about the media and their insistence to focus on the optics
But I think the best way to assure voters that Biden is fit for the job he's doing right now is to simply get him out in front of voters and show that he does have what it takes - whether that takes the form of rallies, TV interviews, and whatnot. Because valid or not, people have those concerns and those concerns need to be alleviated before the election. But the party itself playing along with notions of a replacement play into those fears and give them more credence than they might otherwise if the party itself would give its candidate a better showing of solidarity from the start.
It was multiple times. The "we beat Medicare" thing and him going from abortion access switching to a racist talking point about immigrants are the ones that come to mind first.
See after the debate it's not whatever to me.
I need to hear this shit with my ears. Was it said with confidence was it said with annoyance was it said with confusion.
That's where my mind is going after those first 15 minutes of the debate.
There is a reason why multiple people are replying to you right now and not just me. Your description of Biden's performance is disingenuous.
He sounded confused at multiple points during the night. Yes, there was one moment that stood out above all else -- the moment when he was answering a question about abortion and turned it into a truly shocking xenophobic answer about immigrants killing women.
But that was not the only moment where he was noticeably confused. And I'm sorry, but you and I both know that if it were a Republican candidate who did that same exact thing, you would use that as an example as to why they are not fit for office.
And you would be right.
Here are multiple instances of Biden publicly within the last week including 24 hours ago
Biden making his rounds over the last week.
June 28 at a Waffle House
View: https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0
June 28 campaign rally in NC
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHJoewM3WfU
June 29th opening of Stonewall Visitor Center
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JolBFlVXdQA
July 1 comments on SCOTUS immunity ruling
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtc_n4Tqr8k
July 2 remarks on extreme weather
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Good, anyone entertaining that shit seriously wants dems to lose, imo. Too damn late in the game, get your asses out and vote.
nah, I don't know how you can spin it that way. Its painfully obvious he is too old for this; he should have stepped down 2 years ago (from running second term).
But it's wayyy too late at this point. You got to keep him on, worry about the election and deal with him afterwards.
I'd definitely keep him out of any debates until the election.
I mean I knew what I was gettin into when the best thing folks could think of was vote blue no matter who and anybody but Trump. I'll vote for a bowl of soup over Trump so I'll definitely vote for the lesser evil old white man who I gotta tell " awe good job buddy you kept a good pace walking just now". It's too late to drop out.
But man it's a shit show watching people try to convince folks this shit ain't wild.
But man it's a shit show watching people try to convince folks this shit ain't wild.
One thing about these polls for other candidates vs Trump is that none of them have had a media build up to boost their national profile so yeah it's expected they're polling less. Michelle is kinda proof of that as she's the most well known and you can see the results. If Newsom or Whitmer were chosen and were given a couple months of massive media spotlight I bet you anything they wouldn't be down the 3 and 5%.
This is wrong. And it's another take that needs to end, as it really shows zero respect for differing opinions on very tricky topic that there is no "correct" answer to.
And I'm not talking about media like The New York Times, who obviously do have an agenda against Biden. That's undeniable. But when it comes to the actual voters who consider themselves democrats, liberals, leftists, whatever? They believe that Biden staying in the race helps Trump and that the best chance at beating him is having another candidate.
Obviously, that could be wrong. But it is complete nonsense that anyone on the left the idea simply "wants dems to lose." Biden was already in a bad spot before the debate, when he should be crushing Trump in the polls.
There is no right answer here. This is completely uncharted territory in modern American politics and it comes down to everyone on the left being scared of another Trump presidency but disagreeing on how to prevent it.
And it's not just about what he did say (though I think the abortion answer was actually logical if poorly delivered). It's about what he failed to say. He never mentioned Project 2025. Barely mentioned Trump's unrepentant criminality or his disastrous economic plans. We need a candidate who can aggressively and consistently hammer home a message, and Biden couldn't do it.
Here are multiple instances of Biden publicly within the last week including 24 hours ago
Biden making his rounds over the last week.
June 28 at a Waffle House
View: https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0
June 28 campaign rally in NC
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHJoewM3WfU
June 29th opening of Stonewall Visitor Center
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JolBFlVXdQA
July 1 comments on SCOTUS immunity ruling
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtc_n4Tqr8k
July 2 remarks on extreme weather
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You've posted this in multiple threads. What does it show? Four scripted speeches and some low-stakes gladhanding. This does not address the concerns that he's only fully functional and engaged for ~6 hours a day (per his own team) and prone to listlessness, confusion, and fatigue in high-pressure or unscripted situations, which a general election campaign is an absolute marathon of.
Here are multiple instances of Biden publicly within the last week including 24 hours ago
Biden making his rounds over the last week.
June 28 at a Waffle House
View: https://youtu.be/y2n5-67_wr0
June 28 campaign rally in NC
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHJoewM3WfU
June 29th opening of Stonewall Visitor Center
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JolBFlVXdQA
July 1 comments on SCOTUS immunity ruling
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtc_n4Tqr8k
July 2 remarks on extreme weather
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Most of those are him reading from a prompter. That's not going to convince anyone.
Right now the impression of Biden is that when you take the prompter away and force him to rely on his own wits, he can't do it. He's got a taped interview coming up on Friday but that isn't enough either.
He needs to be doing live Q and As where there is a high risk of him embarrassing himself again. Not hiding behind podiums and prerecorded interviews.
tbh I don't he has it in him to do live QA at this point and it will only get worse
I feel like there will be an endlessly moving goalpost as it pertains to what "counts" for people who are like:
"I was previously convinced but am now convinced Biden is ok to run."
Especially in comparison to the other candidate who is genuinely insane and incoherent 100% of the time.
Hence me wanting people to move on and instead focus on genuine game plans for the campaign trail. Like which key areas he should be visiting. Because as far as i'm concerned, even if I was concerned about him not surviving over the next four years, that's not what i'm voting for in the first place.
I wouldn't say the party itself is "playing along." Yes, a handful of public officials have voiced concerns, but the party overwhelmingly has maintained its support behind Biden. They even pulled out Obama, so I don't think the party is showing signs of faltering.
I totally agree that rallies, TV interviews, and other widely public appearances are the only way (I can think of) to reassure voters. That hasn't happened yet though. I know he's doing a TV interview soon, which is pre-recorded. Not that pre-recording interviews like that isn't standard or is an admission of unfitness, but I also get how voters wouldn't feel reassured. Biden has largely spent the past week in private meetings with donors and officials trying to reassure them. While it's far from clear, media reports of those meetings haven't even been positive. Biden can still turn that around, but I do think the clock is ticking on leaving a permanent impression on voters.
I agree with what you said, those things just haven't happened yet and won't reassure voters until they do. When and if they do, that's a better response to concerned voters. Clearly it's an issue now and acting like it's not an issue at all will only exacerbate its effect.
His next interview with Stephanopoulos will be pre-recordered. For now it's best to not have him live so they can edit out anything weird.
There is no winning game plan that doesn't involve him persuading the public that he is mentally competent. People will not vote for someone they think is senile.
Bill Clinton said that "strong and wrong is better than weak and right" and that is absolutely true in politics. A frail zombie is not going to win, even against a disgusting freak like Trump.
he also looks 10 years younger than Biden in the debate.. and that's the problem
Can't go off one poll, but Kamala polling better than Joe is tempting given the potential increase via the VP selection.
It's primarily the media but yes I do feel If anyone is seriously entertaining swapping out Biden at this stage of the game, they're off their rocker. Shit is too serious for me to pretend to respect daft opinions at this stage. I won't even debate it further because my mind isn't changing and I have no nice way to say what I think of many of these people and their opinions. Trump rambles like a manic idiot and we know what he's about but THIS is what the convo is focused on? Fuck that.
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That's not true.
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More than 70% of voters say Biden doesn't have mental, cognitive health to serve, new poll says
The president has faced growing calls to step aside in the 2024 race after a poor debate performance last week.
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According to this post-debate poll, 72% of registered voters do not believe Biden has the cognitive fitness to be POTUS vs 49% for Trump.
Anything less than a long series of really strong, totally gaffe-less, high profile public appearances and that can change real fast.
People are rightfully unhappy with the wildly uneven and often malicious media coverage Biden's been getting, as well as the the blind eye being turned to Trump's petty, deranged statements about what he intends to do once back in office.
But I think they're letting these legitimate grievances blind them to a simple fact: a substantial number of voters think Joe Biden is not mentally present and might not survive his second term—and they have a hard time voting for someone like that.
These people have a fundamentally different understanding of politics than I do, but they exist and Joe Biden desperately needs their votes.
People are rightfully unhappy with the wildly uneven and often malicious media coverage Biden's been getting, as well as the the blind eye being turned to Trump's petty, deranged statements about what he intends to do once back in office.
But I think they're letting these legitimate grievances blind them to a simple fact: a substantial number of voters think Joe Biden is not mentally present and might not survive his second term—and they have a hard time voting for someone like that.
These people have a fundamentally different understanding of politics than I do, but they exist and Joe Biden desperately needs their votes.
It isn't a daft opinion and you completely missed the point in my reply to you.
Someone tell him to keep his mouth closed when he's not talking next time. Everything in the next debate needs to be flawless.
He couldn't string a single coherent thought together. Incoherently ranting loudly does not=strong and it's so stupid to believe otherwise but yay Americans...
"I'm not gonna vote and just let the fascist take over because the old guy is old" is one of the most ridiculous justifications to not vote. Moreso, than "but her emails." Especially when it comes to what's at stake. So far be it from me to hyperfocus on that type of voter, which by my knowledge does not comprise the majority of Americans, especially if we break down demographics.
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It does because appear strong and confident means everything even if what you say makes no sense.
Having coherent thoughts and sounding meek then incomprehensible doesn't make one look good. Stupid? Sure but you can't really change that.
I think there are very few folks who are not voting simply because Biden looks old. There are far more saying they will withhold their votes for his support of Palestinian genocide.
Unless he thought he was capable and decided to do it regardless of what his team said.
the way to read that poll is she's 1 percentage point worse than Biden. her two percent favorability is dwarfed by the 3 percent she gives away to Trump.
and same with Obama, sexism and racism are extremely powerful tools for Republicans to use, especially in such a short amount of time.
If this is their explanation. They will have even less credibility than they already have. This is precisely why the current situation is a bit untenable. It is going to take some big lies to put Biden over long enough. I don't know what their best chance to win is, because I no longer think that lie works anymore. The veil has been raised and the media is no longer holding back on calling out Biden.
Reasonably keeping Biden in place would be the less risky move, but as each day passes, the actions and comments of others makes this strategy less sensible. He exposed himself to 50m people. It was worse than how you saw it.
The people that are going to vote are probably already locked in. But that debate performance from both candidates is not going to convinced people that don't usually vote to show up to vote at all. The biggest lost will be on people that just decide not to vote. Who will that help, we'll find out.
I have very good reading comprehension but as I said in my response, I don't respect what you're saying and I'm not trying to hear that shit, fam. Go try on someone else.
I didn't watch the debate but saw a bunch of clips. I think it would be best for him to basically just ignore Trump. Seems like he got really flustered/upset when Trump was talking/lying and it threw him off big time.
Just stick to positivity and what your admin has accomplished. God help us if he has another cold.
I'm not in camp biden needs, to go but after that debate team fucking up or choking on democracy ain't something I vibe with.
Better bring this heat for next debate. Better get real about dealing with scotus or making bigger middle class changes, hey I'm huffin on copium.
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If you enjoy overtime and don't vote biden kiss it goodbye project 2025 plans on gutting that really quick, tell your friends too.
Better bring this heat for next debate. Better get real about dealing with scotus or making bigger middle class changes, hey I'm huffin on copium.
for the non voters
If you enjoy overtime and don't vote biden kiss it goodbye project 2025 plans on gutting that really quick, tell your friends too.
Being confident and loud is basically the same as knowing what you are talking about to a lot of people. That's the problem.
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