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Possible discovery of life on Venus UPDATE: Phosphine discovered in the upper atmosphere
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It was already debunked by aggregate data, but this time the specific instance where it was observed was explained.
So they don't have anything
Given another alternative. It ain't ruled out yet but that won't let mainstream scientists do what they always do.
Given another alternative. It ain't ruled out yet but that won't let mainstream scientists do what they always do.
Its never aliens. Mistaking something for aliens has to be the most common mistake in astronomy.
Question. Probes supposedly landed on Venus, way back. How the fuck did they land when the air temperature is north of 400 degrees, assuming they parachuted in?
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After re-examining the data, the original team are still confident in their conclusions:
thedebrief.org
Venus Phosphine Signal Confirmed by Original Team - The Debrief
A new study from the researchers behind the discovery of Phosphine gas in Venus' atmosphere has reaffirmed their original conclusions.
thedebrief.org
After re-examining the data, the original team are still confident in their conclusions:
Venus Phosphine Signal Confirmed by Original Team - The Debrief
A new study from the researchers behind the discovery of Phosphine gas in Venus' atmosphere has reaffirmed their original conclusions.
let's goooo.
Yeah this seems like it shouldn't count for much considering they are emotionally invested in being right. Don't get me wrong, I want them to be right, but it should be an unbiased peer review
Woohoo!After re-examining the data, the original team are still confident in their conclusions:
Venus Phosphine Signal Confirmed by Original Team - The Debrief
A new study from the researchers behind the discovery of Phosphine gas in Venus' atmosphere has reaffirmed their original conclusions.
MIT Scientists Say Life May Have Been Detected on Venus After All
MIT scientists say sulfuric acid in the clouds of Venus could be neutralized by the presence of ammonia, possibly the result of biological processes.
futurism.com
Production of ammonia makes Venusian clouds habitable and explains observed cloud-level chemical anomalies
This research provides a transformative hypothesis for the chemistry of the atmospheric cloud layers of Venus while reconciling decades-long atmosphere anomalies. Our model predicts that the clouds are not entirely made of sulfuric acid, but are partially composed of ammonium salt slurries...
www.pnas.org
I really hope this ends with a floating base in Venus' upper atmosphere just for the coolness factor. If you could make a high altitude blimp as a relay platform and shoot short range probes off it, you could probably collect a lot of data.
Enough speculation. Get some probes over there and find out! I know NASA had a Venus mission or two under consideration.
Venus is a hellhole. Life may have existed a long time ago but it's long, long dead now.
Evidence of that life may exist, but...it's Venus.
Evidence of that life may exist, but...it's Venus.
Life on Venus? Sounds like pranks and subterfuge from the life forms of the "planet of novelty items" (also, Crow predicts the future around the 2 min 55 second mark):
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The studies focused on possible life in the temperate parts of the atmosphere, not on the surface.
Statistically very unlikely we're alone.... I think the problem is more space is just frustratingly[!] big.
I think we're just in a boring corner of the universe. I'm sure there's Earth-like planet colonies partying it up with each other elsewhere in the universe.
Not sure why you're drawing that conclusion. We barely know anything about the billions of planets beyond our solar system, and we've already found a few that could potentially harbor life.
The reality is, the places where we might be able to find more complex lifeforms within our solar system (places with oceans) have not been explored yet. However, the promise of finding any life, especially in a place like Venus, would be game-changing for humanity on many levels.
It only seems that way because our current methods of detecting exoplanets lends itself more to discovering planets that are much larger than our own.
Even then though, as the poster above mentions we already have found a handful that have the potential to sustain life.
Once the James Webb telescope launches and starts its mission we'll also start being able to discern the atmospheres of exoplanets which will also help determine which ones might be suitable for life as we know it.
We've really only begun to scratch the surface of our understanding of just how unique (or not) life is in our universe.
Which is great at a sci-fi level, but the tech we have at our disposal/ability/budget (that the US government allocates) is nowhere near enough to study that in ways that make advancements within our lifetime.
I think.
Venus: Will NASA Send Its 63-Minute Mission To Find Phosphine And ‘Proof Of Life?’
NASA is currently considering sending a chemistry lab and orbiter to Venus that could launch in 2026.
www.forbes.com
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Of course money will always be an issue with launching space probes, but I think the value of research like this is that it helps put focus on where to look for life on Venus. With the atmospheric theory, an orbital spacecraft could gain a lot of information just through spectroscopy and sampling trace quantities of the atmosphere from orbit.
Another possible exploration would be to use a Venera type probe that would collect data as it goes through the atmosphere and transmits it from the ground before the heat destroys the probe.
I find the information and research on organic molecules in the atmosphere of Venus to be interesting and I'm hopeful we'll see some further investigations in the next few decades.
Posts like this always remind me of a line in the Babylon 5 prequel movie "In the Beginning" where Londo is at one point recounting how his race came into contact with humans and he actually says that the reason first contact wasn't made for a long time was simply because earth was seen by them (and by implication the other alien races) as basically some boring, whatever planet in a backwater location of the galaxy "which held little strategic value" so there was simply no incentive for them to spend the time and resources to check us out until Centauri culture became so materialistic, decadent and obsessed with things like obtaining "trinkets" they found out that "Hey, it turns out that weird earth planet actually has some neat collector's type stuff we probably want to have" so because of that they eventually made contact with earth and made a trade deal in return for jump gate tech, haha.
This might be a stupid question to more knowledgeable people, but isn't it entirely possible that any life found on Venus is life accidentally brought over by any one of the various probes we've sent to Venus?
Like, our planet is full of all sorts of microbes and other shit that could theoretically survive a trek to Venus (I think tardigrades have been proven to be able to survive in space as an example) so if that did happen, is it possible that we accidentally brought some microbes over and what we are seeing now is the result of several decades of evolution of these microbes?
Like, there's that one doctor whose done the same evolution experiment with some bacteria (I wanna say E. Coli but don't quote me on that) for like 20 something years now and there have been several crazy traits that have evolved during the experiment, and that's only 20 something years, whereas any life brought over would have almost 60 years at most to evolve to succeed in Venus considering the first mission to Venus was in like 61 or 62 I think
Like, our planet is full of all sorts of microbes and other shit that could theoretically survive a trek to Venus (I think tardigrades have been proven to be able to survive in space as an example) so if that did happen, is it possible that we accidentally brought some microbes over and what we are seeing now is the result of several decades of evolution of these microbes?
Like, there's that one doctor whose done the same evolution experiment with some bacteria (I wanna say E. Coli but don't quote me on that) for like 20 something years now and there have been several crazy traits that have evolved during the experiment, and that's only 20 something years, whereas any life brought over would have almost 60 years at most to evolve to succeed in Venus considering the first mission to Venus was in like 61 or 62 I think
Not likely, but probably not impossible. If some microscopic life survived on or in a probe from Earth, it would still almost certainly die when exposed to Venus' atmosphere.
Anyway, if there did turn out to be microbial life on Venus, it would be immediately apparent if it were of recent Earth origin, as soon as we got a look at its DNA.