Do we need to post the picture?
Post what you like but quote my whole post if you quote me.
Can you please not "always a bigger fish" this?
People are not asking blizzard to not do business in China, they are asking blizzard to not blatantly censor speech on behalf of China.
Why is that such a difficult concept for you?
Where's that "BUT YOU TAKE PART IN SOCIETY" comic when you need it?Posted from his iPhone. The irony.
glad to see people out doing things they believe in but yeah.
I don't agree with the premise of the comic.
Trying to point out that they posted it on an iPhone is you being this guy.
I wouldn't either if I was the one being made fun of.
Okay.
Ok. I don't really "get made fun of"
"Caught" assumes they were hiding anything.That wasn't an apology for what they did, that was a "We're sorry we got caught"
If Blizzard does not censor speech on behalf of China they'd be banned in China. That's the point. It's why thier apology was so lame. Any media company that sells their stuff in China will have to censor themselves if they want Chinese money.
The NBA was banned in China for one tweet by a team manager. The CPC does not tolerate dissent.
Your framing uses "impossible choice" rhetoric, which is really unhelpful.If Blizzard does not censor speech on behalf of China they'd be banned in China. That's the point. It's why thier apology was so lame. Any media company that sells their stuff in China will have to censor themselves if they want Chinese money.
The NBA was banned in China for one tweet by a team manager. The CPC does not tolerate dissent.
Trying to point out that they posted it on an iPhone is you being this guy.
Your framing uses "impossible choice" rhetoric, which is really unhelpful.
Yup. China is forcing western companies to become arms of their cultural censorship efforts in exchange for access to their giant market. And Blizzard's strategy is, understandably but also pathetically, to try really hard to convince their customer base that it isn't the case. Blitzchung shone a light on the danger of the practice, and Blizzard is now apologizing for not hiding the truth well enough at first.
The citizens of Hong Kong, really.
Fair fucking point.
Are you in a position to make these sorts of decisions in your job? It's easy to armchair CEO.I don't consider not doing business with China an impossible choice.
Are you in a position to make these sorts of decisions in your job? It's easy to armchair CEO.
It's also much easier to never get into a business relationship in China than to pull out of one. Cutting off a major revenue stream is never easy. There are consequences.
Is Blizzard complaining about it?Well then comapnies can't complain about PR disasters or when people call for boycotts. They made a choice for more money over human rights and they have to live with that.
Well, its not just money. There's jobs, contracts, lawsuits and all soft of things behind every corporate action.Well then comapnies can't complain about PR disasters or when people call for boycotts. They made a choice for more money over human rights and they have to live with that.
I mean Apple has its own HK censorship scandal too. Should they not be attacked too like Blizzard?
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/10/20907596/apple-hong-kong-protests-app-removed-china
Blizzard decided to explicitly support China's human rights violations. They made their bed and now they get to lie in it.Are you in a position to make these sorts of decisions in your job? It's easy to armchair CEO.
It's also much easier to never get into a business relationship in China than to pull out of one. Cutting off a major revenue stream is never easy. There are consequences.
Galaxy brain type of stupid. Truly unbelievable that people still cannot understand that participating in a system that you cannot easily escape does not lessen your critique on the elements of that system.Posted from his iPhone. The irony.
glad to see people out doing things they believe in but yeah.
The only choice blizzard needs to make is to not censor Blitzchung. The rest of the equation is up to China.I don't consider not doing business with China an impossible choice.
What you're doing right now is called whataboutism, please don't do that. It helps no one.I mean Apple has its own HK censorship scandal too. Should they not be attacked too like Blizzard?
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/10/20907596/apple-hong-kong-protests-app-removed-china
You say that as though Blizzard's current predicament isn't a direct result of decisions that were made prior to this point. Blizzard wasn't born into the world holding a Chinese silver spoon. Blizzard made a choice.Are you in a position to make these sorts of decisions in your job? It's easy to armchair CEO.
It's also much easier to never get into a business relationship in China than to pull out of one. Cutting off a major revenue stream is never easy. There are consequences.
I thought the apology was pretty weak but I think there is real emotion behind the person giving it. Almost as if that individual wanted to say more or something else.
Galaxy brain type of stupid. Truly unbelievable that people still cannot understand that participating in a system that you cannot easily escape does not lessen your critique on the elements of that system.
Yeah, and that choice has been fantastic for them so far in expanding their business. No one gave a shit when they entered the Chinese market a decade ago, and it's not like China started their human rights abuses this year.You say that as though Blizzard's current predicament isn't a direct result of decisions that were made prior to this point. Blizzard wasn't born into the world holding a Chinese silver spoon. Blizzard made a choice.
Uh. So clearly you understand why they should be held accountable for their choices. It's kinda weird that you want to talk about the consequences of cutting off a revenue stream but not the consequences of shifting towards reliance on the Chinese market.Yeah, and that choice has been fantastic for them so far in expanding their business. No one gave a shit when they entered the Chinese market a decade ago, and it's not like China started their human rights abuses this year.
If you think they remotely regret their business in China, I got news for ya
The only choice blizzard needs to make is to not censor Blitzchung. The rest of the equation is up to China.
I don't think that framing the entire issue as "blizzard shouldn't profit off of the Chinese market" lends clarity or calls for accountability.
Uh. So clearly you understand why they should be held accountable for their choices. It's kinda weird that you want to talk about the consequences of cutting off a revenue stream but not the consequences of shifting towards reliance on the Chinese market.
No one is arguing Blizzard can't make money from China. People are pointing out that choosing money and explicitly supporting these devastating human rights violations is wrong. Blizzard made it clear today they support oppression and genocide and they deserve to be criticized for it.Yeah, and that choice has been fantastic for them so far in expanding their business. No one gave a shit when they entered the Chinese market a decade ago, and it's not like China started their human rights abuses this year.
If you think they remotely regret their business in China, I got news for ya