What do you do if Manchin decides he's better off switching parties? WV is a hard R state. Biden is not popular there. Why do you think a president they already don't like would hurt Manchin's popularity? The people there know Manchin's deal. They elected him BECAUSE this was his deal
Switching parties would be the end of his career. Republicans aren't going to vote for an ex-Democrat, they'll vote for the person that's been an actual Republican. And considering it wasn't a complete blowout, he would lose all of the voters that voted for him because he was the only option.
it's established law a court doesn't have the ability to tell congress how to run its business
Killing the filibuster is probably also the end of his career. Also Republicans are already voting for him right now when he has a D next to his name (hence why he has a seat despite the state going to Trump by an almost 40% margin)
Shaun is not a smart person on Twitter and constantly misrepresents things.
Unless you're in this thread to genuinely just troll, YOU should give a shit if Manchin one day switched parties.
I agree. Honestly it's why I blame Maine voters more than anyone right now. Susan Collins winning reelection there fucked us more than anything else in that election and it's frankly something we should've been able to avoid
I want the Fili nuked too. I want as much progressive legislation as possible passed, it's gotta go. I'm still optimistic that it will be when the right legislation gets obstructed to hell and back by GOP.
I mean perhaps you're right. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation right now which is that there's literally no way of putting effective pressure on him and that trying to do so is literally only going to make our current situation worse
Do you feel like that would make him vote for the bill or change parties? If the latter than you are just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Minimum wage increase needs to be the first bill. It's worth nuking the filibuster for that given how even $15 an hour is too low.
Threatening him that you'll take actions to make it harder to be reelected seems kind of pointless if taking those actions you want him to do will also guarantee he doesn't get reelected. He's no worse off in either situation, but now he has a reason to form a grudge against the people putting him in that situation. It'll lead to less getting done, not more
Yeah the issue here isn't power (If that were the case the right concessions would get him to nuke the filibuster, since if he refuses to nuke it under any circumstance he's giving up the one chip he has in that negotiation)
Yeah if anything Manchin's power would be significantly higher if the filibuster went away. Right now he matters for reconciliation bills or executive/judicial appointments but for standard legislation, the most powerful senator is the 10th Republican willing to vote for something (if all 50 Democrats and 9 other Republicans are behind it).
It was always a reach. Reconciliation has rules for what can be considered and using it for minimum wage was always a huge reach because it clearly doesn't really fit with those rules
This makes no sense. Their positioning was fucked up from the start. Biden voicing what was already known isn't doing anything at all. Some of you grab onto the least consequential things
The issue is that for a bill to qualify for reconciliation, none of the following can apply
It definitely has a direct affect on revenue, but the issue is 4, because it's pretty hard to argue the main goal of raising minimum wage is the increased tax revenue
