It was indeed trash. I talked to my one friend who didn't nope out this gen at the start and even he says he regretted it.
Would be hilarious if GF actually makes the next game really badass, but nobody buys it because they remember this turd
Good job proving his point about the discourse around Pokemon threads here."Noooooooooo!! You can't just criticize my favorite childhood series!! You're supposed to ignore all the flaws and consume!!"
Good job proving his point about the discourse around Pokemon threads here.
Gen 5 had the best music I swear that shit is a bangerI'm going to be "that guy" and mention that as a lapsed Pokemon fan, I think Pokemon Black & White were the best Pokemon games I've played in ages because of their choice to not use any previous Pokemon until the post-story content, meaning everything you saw and fought was totally new. No Pikachu. No Geodudes and Zubats. No nostalgia reliance. It had to stand on its own as a solid game with a whole new group of characters and monsters, and I think it worked very well! It had to rely on actual good mechanics and exploration instead of the normal faces and it succeeded.
... But die-hard fans complained about that and they'll likely never do it again.
I would very much love to see the next Pokemon game attempt it.
I'm going to be "that guy" and mention that as a lapsed Pokemon fan, I think Pokemon Black & White were the best Pokemon games I've played in ages because of their choice to not use any previous Pokemon until the post-story content, meaning everything you saw and fought was totally new. No Pikachu. No Geodudes and Zubats. No nostalgia reliance. It had to stand on its own as a solid game with a whole new group of characters and monsters, and I think it worked very well! It had to rely on actual good mechanics and exploration instead of the normal faces and it succeeded.
... But die-hard fans complained about that and they'll likely never do it again.
I would very much love to see the next Pokemon game attempt it.
You must not know who you're replying to. Defends the pokemon IP as if his life depended on it.You can't seriously call S&S gorgeous. You just can't. There are plenty of JRPG ps3 games that look so much better. Even some PS2 RPGs looks much better
I mean it probably does, if he makes any income from his site.You must not know who you're replying to. Defends the pokemon IP as if his life depended on it.
Man Black and White were so good.I'm going to be "that guy" and mention that as a lapsed Pokemon fan, I think Pokemon Black & White were the best Pokemon games I've played in ages because of their choice to not use any previous Pokemon until the post-story content, meaning everything you saw and fought was totally new. No Pikachu. No Geodudes and Zubats. No nostalgia reliance. It had to stand on its own as a solid game with a whole new group of characters and monsters, and I think it worked very well! It had to rely on actual good mechanics and exploration instead of the normal faces and it succeeded.
... But die-hard fans complained about that and they'll likely never do it again.
I would very much love to see the next Pokemon game attempt it.
Eh idk bro honestly the reaction would've probably been worse if it wasn't a franchise with already the same prestige and fervent fanbase as Pokemon. Even disregarding the dex cull it's a pretty blatantly unfinished gameWhen did majority 80+ review scores denote a game that is "bad" or warrant the reaction and hyperbole this game brought forward?
Even the other pokemon generation debuts are still in the 80's. What is Sword and Shield lower than Black and White and Diamond and Pearl by like a few points? Okay. Using this as a metric for how good this game is compared to others is a little nitpicky and weird when the critics still rated it above 80 in most cases.
80+ reviews (Even 70+ if we are serious) should be an example of a "good" game. Based on the review averages you posted Sword and Shield are in line with where other pokemon games are in terms of quality. It's all so subjective with pokemon when they are all so comparable I feel like this just a giant game of splitting hairs.
Some pokemon games are better some are worse. All issues with SwSh (every pokemon game has unique issues) are definitely not worth the reaction Sword and Shield got.
That is exactly the reason it sold so much, the idea of a full on Pokemon game on a home console made everyone excited. I would bet a ton of money on the next game not selling nearly as much as S&S.You'd hope that with this being the first true home console mainline Pokemon game, GF would have put a lot more effort into making this as tight and revolutionary as possible for the series.
You've all seen what's possible with RPGs on the Switch and other consoles.
I know they aren't the same game, but Persona 4 just oozed with style and substance. It was polished as fuck. Hell, Fire Emblem Three Houses (despite some of it's technical flaws) was a much tighter experience than SwSh.
I think we once imagined what Pokemon would be like on a home console. I dare say that not one person got what they imagined.
Going by previous console generations. Usually the first gen released on a console sells the best over the coarse of the console. Though they have more time to achieve more sales. XY barely sold more than Sun and Moon and technically Sun and Moon did better if you include the rerelease.That is exactly the reason it sold so much, the idea of a full on Pokemon game on a home console made everyone excited. I would bet a ton of money on the next game not selling nearly as much as S&S.
How young are we talking about cause i was in elementary school when i started playing pokemon and i also still played more difficult games. Kids aren't (completely) stupid.These are games that need to be accessible to children too btw. I get that a lot of us are 30+ and have been there since the beginning, but one of these games will always be some kid's first game so they do need to be simple enough for them to get into.
People again overreact , Sword and Shield are good games in general, yes they cut pokemon off but it's really not that big of a deal. As far as story goes almost every Pokémon game has shitty stories (I still think Pokemon Black/White) has the best story.
It's almost as if it isn't a game that expects you to only play through the single player campaign and walk away, but what do I know
It's almost as if it isn't a game that expects you to only play through the single player campaign and walk away, but what do I know
But the single-player has been neutered as well, so what gives?Lets face it, most casual Pokemon players will play through to beat the game, and not much more. Some might catch all the Pokemon. Diehards will make a living Shiny Dex or do crazy stuff just to milk the hours.
GF realized this, and the result is a neutered postgame, once badges and Gym leagues are out, so are most players.
Lmao are people not allowed to share a negative viewpoint of a game you like?Hasn't this thread been made a million times? Or this opinion shared a million times on any thread related to Sword and Shield? Do we have to keep doing this?
The defense force of this game is something else. God forbids any criticism of it, if you don't like it, you're a 'hater'.Lmao are people not allowed to share a negative viewpoint of a game you like?
Yeah it's crazy. People who like the game are even struggling to come up with reasons why it isn't balls haha I just don't understand why it's so hard for ppl to criticize a brand they really likeThe defense force of this game is something else. God forbids any criticism of it, if you don't like it, you're a 'hater'.
But the single-player has been neutered as well, so what gives?
I completely agree with this and I hate the fact that black white one was hated on because of this, it also makes me hat black and white 2 because it was clearly done with the whole got give those old Pokemon back so people can use them in the main campaign againI'm going to be "that guy" and mention that as a lapsed Pokemon fan, I think Pokemon Black & White were the best Pokemon games I've played in ages because of their choice to not use any previous Pokemon until the post-story content, meaning everything you saw and fought was totally new. No Pikachu. No Geodudes and Zubats. No nostalgia reliance. It had to stand on its own as a solid game with a whole new group of characters and monsters, and I think it worked very well! It had to rely on actual good mechanics and exploration instead of the normal faces and it succeeded.
... But die-hard fans complained about that and they'll likely never do it again.
I would very much love to see the next Pokemon game attempt it.
Sword & Shield are straight up unfinished. Remember how often you battle in empty voids rather than having a proper background? Even Let's Go was capable of that.
I can somewhat understand where people are coming from when they say that 'Pokemon discussions are toxic now', because while I disagree with the sentiment, the discourse has definitely shifted over the last few years. Up until Sword & Shield, mainline games were almost immune to criticism in Pokemon communities. I know, because I was in the thick of it! I learned to mostly bite my tongue when it came to criticism unless I was prepared to get dogpiled or downvoted. And until Sun & Moon, my complaints were fairly mild tbh, and mostly related to Game Freak always removing things, or being too iterative. Opinions you wouldn't think would be controversial. And yet...
So yeah, if you're the type of fan who has always been fairly satisfied with the state of the series, then the way the games are discussed these days probably does seem alarming to you. I would argue that it hasn't become toxic, though. It's just not an echo chamber of positivity anymore.
The dex cut was really the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people. And not specifically because of Pokemon being removed. That was inevitable. But for me it really became emblematic of everything wrong with the series. It was like Game Freak was saying "we can't bring all of the Pokemon back because we want to focus on other aspects of the game"...while from my perspective everything was looking pretty damn rough, and ended up being even worse in reality.
It's a GOOD thing people are more vocal now about what needs to improve.
Not even close. X and Y were the first titles in full 3D, every single Pokemon was fully modeled and present in the game (those exact same models that you're saying look great in Sw/Sh), it was the first to add full trainer customisation, 3D movement, had the most robust and enjoyable online functionality in the entire series (thanks to the PSS), added the Fairy type and rebalanced a load of old Pokemon around it, introduced the super training, O-Powers, mega evolutions, Pokemon Amie, friend safari, hordes and made competitive battling and shiny hunting easier.I think a game like X/Y is more deserving of the level of scorn given to Sw/Sh.
Not even close. X and Y were the first titles in full 3D, every single Pokemon was fully modeled and present in the game (those exact same models that you're saying look great in Sw/Sh), it was the first to add full trainer customisation, 3D movement, had the most robust and enjoyable online functionality in the entire series (thanks to the PSS), added the Fairy type and rebalanced a load of old Pokemon around it, introduced the super training, O-Powers, mega evolutions, Pokemon Amie, friend safari, hordes and made competitive battling and shiny hunting easier.
They were unfinished and had some pacing problems, but they added a hell of a lot that everyone takes for granted.
I can somewhat understand where people are coming from when they say that 'Pokemon discussions are toxic now', because while I disagree with the sentiment, the discourse has definitely shifted over the last few years. Up until Sword & Shield, mainline games were almost immune to criticism in Pokemon communities. I know, because I was in the thick of it! I learned to mostly bite my tongue when it came to criticism unless I was prepared to get dogpiled or downvoted. And until Sun & Moon, my complaints were fairly mild tbh, and mostly related to Game Freak always removing things, or being too iterative. Opinions you wouldn't think would be controversial. And yet...
So yeah, if you're the type of fan who has always been fairly satisfied with the state of the series, then the way the games are discussed these days probably does seem alarming to you. I would argue that it hasn't become toxic, though. It's just not an echo chamber of positivity anymore.
The dex cut was really the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people. And not specifically because of Pokemon being removed. That was inevitable (even if I think it didn't need to happen for at least another couple of generations). But for me it really became emblematic of everything wrong with the series. It was like Game Freak was saying "we can't bring all of the Pokemon back because we want to focus on other aspects of the game"...while from my perspective everything was looking pretty damn rough, and ended up being even worse in reality.
It's a GOOD thing people are more vocal now about what needs to improve.
PSS system introduced in XY was the best online Pokemon's ever had.I don't agree that it's the worst for a few reasons.
I think a game like X/Y is more deserving of the level of scorn given to Sw/Sh.
- As disappointed as I was with it overall, the Wild Area was still a desperately needed twist to the basic formula.
- The 3D models for the creatures looked great, in my opinion. Obviously the animations were lacking, but it was nice to play a new adventure with those high-resolution models.
- The gym challenges and battles were the best in the series from an aesthetics perspective.