Because people can think it looks awful yet still want to play it. It ain't a hard concept....
I've literally said in this thread I don't like the visuals of this game. I am not even really looking forward to this game and doubt I'll play it if it's just a 1:1 remake with this artstyle.
What narrative am I making? I said I don't understand people saying something looks awful, but still going "yeah day 1". You aren't under an obligation to keep buying more Pokemon games if you don't like them.
RSE is my favorite Gen, but I didn't buy ORAS because I was burnt out on Pokemon back then and thought the artstyle looked ugly.
Not reallyThe Pokemon fanbase has reached a situation where pleasing everyone in it is completely impossible now.
When they say faithful I sure hope that includes teams and levels and whatnot. The last two remakes we've had absolutely did not.
Because people can think it looks awful yet still want to play it. It ain't a hard concept.
Wow.
Really wasn't expecting so harsh a reception to the graphics.
Wow.
Really wasn't expecting so harsh a reception to the graphics.
People have spent the last 2 years shitting on the SWSH engine. Don't pretend not to understand thisPeople were expecting DP remakes using the SwSh engine or looking like LGPE. This looks worse than either of them. Again, some of you are pretending not to understand this
I'm down for this, but I'm really worried it won't have the improvements from Platinum in it. Not having the story would suck, but the updated Pokémon access that Platinum brought was so crutial to the game.
That doesn't change that the remakes were always in line with the current generation. With the advent of Let's Go!, part the discussion leading up to these games was "will they be traditional remakes or will they try a Let's Go! approach again?" I don't think anyone expected a 1:1 remake like this.People have spent the last 2 years shitting on the SWSH engine. Don't pretend not to understand this
If you see the image below without any context, what would be your honest opinion about it? That it looks like a modern game? I can't imagine many would think it looks good -- in fact, it cheapens out whatever product you are releasing, especially one that has been highly awaited.
Okay? Doesn't change what i stated. They usually use the same engine, but with improvements, for remakes, so saying people were expecting games based on the SwSh engine, but with improvements, isn't some farfetched idea. Again, there's no way you guys don't get thisPeople have spent the last 2 years shitting on the SWSH engine. Don't pretend not to understand this
I don't know anyone who considers Diamond and Pearl the peak of the franchise, LOL. They were incredibly rushed games that ran like molasses.What WERE people expecting? I want to hear a serious answer to this. Because all I remember regarding talk around remakes were sentiments about how the series was better in 2D and how Diamond and Pearl were at the peak of the franchise. But now that it's not in a 3D overworld and it looks like a faith D/P remake suddenly that's a problem. This isn't analogous at all to getting a burnt steak, its more analogous to ordering "steak" and getting upset at receiving a "ribeye" instead of a "new york strip".
Based on what? Previous remakes haven't. Or rather they've had some amalgamation of some of the 3rd version content, but not all of itpeople are worried for no reason. this will have platinum's content.
Nah, I'll go and buy this remake and enjoy it since I know it will make you upset :)The Pokemon legends game looks ambitious and amazing, even if rough, but this... this looks like fucking trash through and through. They will probably sell millions sadly.
Not in a fucking million years. Go and buy glasses.
???people are worried for no reason. this will have platinum's content.
Not really
1. Make games that graphically look in line with other games on the system
2. Stop cutting Pokemon/features every gen, and instead build up on them
3. Stop dumbing down the difficulty (I don't mean QoL features, I mean stuff like more linear routes, no dungeons, EXP Share not being able to be toggled)
4. Bring back the Battle Frontier, or an equivalent
That's it. That solves 99% of the problems. You guys can't intentionally ignore what people are saying for the sake of your arguments.
Cant compare the two. Do the remakes really REALLY look worse?
Cant compare the two. Do the remakes really REALLY look worse? How would that be possible? And how are these remakes and not ports? Can someone explain?
They don't look worse than Diamond and Pearl, although the chibi character designed are certainly an acquired taste. If you want a sense of the graphics itsCant compare the two. Do the remakes really REALLY look worse? How would that be possible? And how are these remakes and not ports? Can someone explain?
Outside of the character models and battles it's a pretty nice, if conservative, facelift of the games.Cant compare the two. Do the remakes really REALLY look worse? How would that be possible? And how are these remakes and not ports? Can someone explain?
Yeah I was very surprised by this thread. The graphics look perfectly fine to me.Wow.
Really wasn't expecting so harsh a reception to the graphics.
yikes. Big step down.This one looks weird to me. It's like they're going for a similar chibi style to LGPE, but lower fidelity, with less stylized textures that end up making everything look pretty drab. Almost mobile-gamey.
This game looks like it should precede LGPE. By a few years.
But the truth is the other way around? Very strange.
Sinnoh enthusiasts you have my sympathy today. Left to right this looks like a before and after...
Not every gameplay experiment from LGPE was a success but the game was very pretty. Chef's kiss artstyle as far as I'm concerned.
This one...not so much. It looks like development began on 3DS and got moved to Switch after a long stall.
At least Pokemon Legends looks like a pretty fun experiment. I'm still happy today because I have that and Snap to look forward to.
I also think it's generally positive news that they let another developer handle this remake so they could internally focus on a big project like Legends. Unfortunately the developer they chose...well... results don't look great.
I hope it's at least got all the platinum stuff. Yeesh.
I can't speak for the person you quoted, but I didn't read their second point as referring to the generational gimmicks like Z-Moves and Gigantamax. There are plenty of optional features that were cut for seemingly no reason throughout the years. Things like Secret Bases, for example. The games really need more things to do in their barren towns.1. Thats fair, since I also don't like the visuals here
2. No, I don't want every dumb gimmick like Z-moves, Mega Evo, Gigantamax, slapped onto every game with a Pokedex reaching the 1000's. I'd fundamentally prefer a strong new 150 ish pokemon with little overlap from previous games because I caught and saw those pokemon before. I don't want to do it again. That's why "regional variants" is the best gimmick Pokemon has come up with post BW
3. Pokemon is still a game meant for children. I don't have the patience anymore for a cave where I can't see shit, I need flash to see, keep running into Zubats and training each pokemon individually. If you want the option to turn of EXP share, fine. But time waste dungeons/caves can die in the past.
4. Post game is fine
So there, I have issues with 2 of your proposed "fixes" that would make everyone love Pokemon. You can't just say "my list would make everyone love pokemon again". It would make you love pokemon, but 2 of your proposed things would make me hate it.
HGSS had most of the new features of crystal. i guess you could be right, but the only thing i can see not making it is the battle frontier. the new dex, distortion world, new pokemon forms, i see all of those making it into this remake.Based on what? Previous remakes haven't. Or rather they've had some amalgamation of some of the 3rd version content, but not all of it