But if Sony wanted him to work on Siren or GR, and he wanted too, why did he left?
Feels Sony have other plans for him, and he rather work on something else.
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PlayStation Studios |OT16| Where we're going, we don't need loads.
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Feels Sony have other plans for him, and he rather work on something else.
When Jim laughs at you like this, he either really liked your joke or you gotta run.
thanks. i may just end up getting a digital edition then tomorrow. assuming I can even touch the add to cart button before it sells out lmao :(
Katharsis seems very friendly in my interactions with her thus far, I really doubt she would give out info she didn't think was true. I'll just assume the worst and hope for the best, and if the game happens, it happens, if not, not. That way I can't get disappointed, but I can be very happily surprised.
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Maybe if Toyama himself wanted to. Sony probably wouldn't want to spend time and money from their own studio to develop a smaller/AA Siren or Gravity Rush game, but might be okay to pay for another studio to do that.
In a perfect world:
First Party Studios: Blockbuster games with a lot of investment.
Second Party / Licensing: Smaller games with a limited budget.
Sony really needs to stop being so protective with its IPS... As I said a few months ago, I doubt that doesn't exist a medium/indie studio out there that can't make a good and small Twisted Metal game.
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So, I think I need to clarify things a little bit.
Toyama directed Silent Hill. The game is still on track and is fine. Japan Studio are still developing it. And I think there's no need to attack me because someone is leaving the studio, even if it's the game director doesn't mean the game doesn't exist or Halo Infinite just got cancelled twice. I think a lot of people here need to calm down to every announcement they hear and stop being extremists. Your hearts will thank me.
And don't worry, the game is fine, if Toyama leaves now, it means it's in a healthy situation.
Now, I'm gonna stay away until next week.
See you at The Game Awards.
Toyama directed Silent Hill. The game is still on track and is fine. Japan Studio are still developing it. And I think there's no need to attack me because someone is leaving the studio, even if it's the game director doesn't mean the game doesn't exist or Halo Infinite just got cancelled twice. I think a lot of people here need to calm down to every announcement they hear and stop being extremists. Your hearts will thank me.
And don't worry, the game is fine, if Toyama leaves now, it means it's in a healthy situation.
Now, I'm gonna stay away until next week.
See you at The Game Awards.
I believe you, though the timing of this departure announcement (1 week before TGA) is not ideal lol
Can't wait for TGA :P
It's so weird that people get so hooked on the idea that individuals make the games what they are and when they leave it's all doom and gloom. Sure, sometimes the individuals steer the project in a particular direction, but it's not like they really do it alone and without others approval or help. It's been proven dozens of time that even the biggest names can do some shitty projects or no projects at all for years without a proper team and overseer - look at Halo Infinite mess which had some big names attached to it, Michael Ancel projects, Ueda (even though Last Guardian is unique and good it took waaaay too long and was too much of a technical mess for 8 years of development), Romero etc. If Toyama left then maybe he already finished what he had to do or maybe he didn't fit the project at the end? Same with Bend guys, they did their thing, prepared team for future development and just went to try something else and maybe the new blood will make something even better thanks to what's been left to them. So yeah, enjoy and anticipate games for what they are/can be and not because of the names attached.
Hey, take care and see you on the day we can be hyped about Silent Hill and other cool announced games!
Hey, take care and see you on the day we can be hyped about Silent Hill and other cool announced games!
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It's just that the whole thing is so weird.
Toyama is leaving SIE after working on a horror game (Silent Hill)...to establish Indie studio to work on a another horror game?
Wouldn't be in Sony's best interest to ensure he stays if SH is a success warranting a sequel?
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll come up with another stupid reason to prolong this sham of a rumor. I never believed this SH thing to begin with (the "evidence" was paper thin at best) and the constant backtracking and revisionism as to when it'd be shown got more unbelievable as the months went on. And now this... like, the most interesting part of this rumor (Toyama - the man who knows horror and SH, being involved, leaves Sony) is pretty much shattered (unless the new theory is his new studio is totally working on the reboot...)
I'll continue my stance of - its fake until its actually shown. I've done this dance with Shenmue for decades and from experience its just easier to assume its dead until its not!
Ueda is gone, Toyama is gone, the most prominent talents currently involved with SCEJ are french... Modern Sony is just sickening to me right now.
Sometimes japanese people doesn't mean better ...it's sad to think like that ( and i love japanese game, vn , anime etc...)
Regardless of how it turns out. It is fun (for me at least) to have Silent Hill back in discussion and actually reignite my flames for horror games. I always appreciate your comments.
Open world Astrobot. See that GPU in the distance? You can sing with it.
Me, coming to this thread to find 6 pages of meltdown because someone left a Sony studio to start their own:
This is almost as boring as acquisitions talk. Japan Studio will be fine, guys. People come and go in all industries.
I think it's more concerning when artists and developers leave alltogether the business because of burnout due to extreme crunch culture and low wages/explotaiton. I don't thinkt that's the case here.
This is almost as boring as acquisitions talk. Japan Studio will be fine, guys. People come and go in all industries.
I think it's more concerning when artists and developers leave alltogether the business because of burnout due to extreme crunch culture and low wages/explotaiton. I don't thinkt that's the case here.
I'm still team #happening. Nothing can stop this train!
But I must say that it was pretty disheartening at first reading the news this morning.
Holy shit, it's hilarious watching people freak out over this.
I agree that it's very unfortunate, but it seems like somewhat of an overreaction. One week ago everyone was so happy, all of the sudden we have people leaving both Bend and Japan, and all of the sudden everything is a dumpster fire xD
I agree that it's very unfortunate, but it seems like somewhat of an overreaction. One week ago everyone was so happy, all of the sudden we have people leaving both Bend and Japan, and all of the sudden everything is a dumpster fire xD
I love me some japanese games but I can safely say people who are fans of Japanese games exclusively are really insufferable man. "Sickening" lmao
If you're fine and dandy with the current situation, good for you.
Still, people are allowed to be disappointed, you know. Sony's Japanese support has reached a new low. Again.
"But PS5 is selling gangbusters!"
Yeah, whoopty fuckin doo.
Still, people are allowed to be disappointed, you know. Sony's Japanese support has reached a new low. Again.
"But PS5 is selling gangbusters!"
Yeah, whoopty fuckin doo.
Industry people leaving and changing studios is a common thing but Jeff Ross, Garvin and Toyama were people that worked for over a decade at Sony and if Lead people leave especially during production of a Game is just never really that good of a sign. Halo is in development trouble and key figures left there, when SSM Sci Fi Game was cancelled you had people like Stig going and so on. Couple that with the Bloomberg Report that Japan gets heavily sidelined by Sony and Japan Studios scope was reduced it just doesn't sound that nice. And sure you had Uncharted 4 which came out fantastic, but that Game had severe Development Troubles as well and cut features like the stamina bar which can be felt during the Game.
I want SH to be real and i still believe it is coming but i doubt it's coming from Japan Studio right now.
Please, someone guide me through the new PS Store on PS5. Where do i find the sales tab? All i could find yesterday was the PS+ exclusive disscounts.....
They've never once tweeted about peanut butter, so this checks out. Make the thread.
All this hand-wringing and panic is giving me a headache. I may need to dip out of the thread for a while, until we're back in the cycle where people aren't over-reacting to the slightest shift in the wind in the industry.
Turnaround and burnout are very real in this industry, and people change positions, leave companies, or exit the industry completely all of the time. It's completely normal and isn't indicative of the sky falling. The various studios who have had departures will keep on trucking. It's not like these studios just leave the gap left by the departing employee. Generally, they have someone experienced enough to step in to fill the role well before the person departs. Again, it's completely normal.
Oh, I absolutely agree. But that it's "sickening" etc is a weird take. Sony and SIE is very much in great shape.
And I still believe Silent Hill is happening + in good shape :) But we shall see!
They dont really have to prove themselves. They helped built Shadow of Collossus and now Demon's Souls. They have created new PS mascot and delivered 2 great games with him, amazing even. The Last Guardian was great as well, truly memorable game they helped create. They are talented as fuck. Problem is withing the management and planning, which was a huge pain in the studio's ass for whole generation, even longer. We need to patient and see what are they actually working on for PS5.
I never stopped believing in you. Hang tight, you survived some shit that were against your claims before.
If the core of the game is already finished, even game director can step down.I wouldnt expect this to be a huge, 20 hours long game. Its possible that the game is fine and they can finish it without him.
Also, Toyama and co. clearly wanted to work on smaller titles than what Japan Studio producers and directors were aiming for in the future. They also wanted to be indie. There is nothing Sony could do to please them.
I want some sort of GTAV style character switch for the next game that would be a cool use of the SSD if the two (or more) are far from each other and would be cool for combat. I think for a cross gen game it looks great I can only imagine built from the ground up for PS5 what they do.
There isn't one as of yet, unfortunately. Big sales sometimes pop up on the banners but there isn't a dedicated deals tab yet.
Reminds me of last gen during UC4 development when Amy Hennig left Naughty Dog. People freaked out and in my opinion, it wasn't that serious. Ueda left and The Last Guardian still came out with his help. Have faith that the people who are still around know what they are doing.
I'm not an English speaker so if "sickening" is really this heavy of a word then replace that with disheartening, extremely disappointing, or whatever suits mere videogame-talk the most in your opinion.
I know that the majority of you SonyEra posters only care for your PS3-era Naughty Dog-ish cinematic western stuff and will just be happy that SantaMonica is hiring while handwaving everything else, but there's still people that used to like all those non-GT SCEJ first party productions, and it's perfectly legitimate to be upset that the biggest talents behind some of their most defining games to date are just being tossed away with no fucks given.
Also i don't hate frenchs or anything but it really speaks volumes that the only in-house Japanese stuff that has recently been allowed to exist needed to have western direction and artstyle, and it's still just low budget VR and tech demos anyway.
I know that the majority of you SonyEra posters only care for your PS3-era Naughty Dog-ish cinematic western stuff and will just be happy that SantaMonica is hiring while handwaving everything else, but there's still people that used to like all those non-GT SCEJ first party productions, and it's perfectly legitimate to be upset that the biggest talents behind some of their most defining games to date are just being tossed away with no fucks given.
Also i don't hate frenchs or anything but it really speaks volumes that the only in-house Japanese stuff that has recently been allowed to exist needed to have western direction and artstyle, and it's still just low budget VR and tech demos anyway.
So first of all. Japan Studio Games itself were quite cinematic. Ueda Games are cinematic Game so using that as an insult against the western side of Sony is a weird flex to me. Astrobot may be directed by a french Guy but in what world does that Game have a western artstyle?
That Toyama is gone sucks because i love Gravity Rush and Ueda being gone sucks just as much, so i think you are right to be dissapointed because i am as well especially when all their western studios can hire en mass while JS gets sidelined.
Actually, the original IP that got the most recent success from SIEJA & Japan Studio was Astro Bot with 90 MC & Playroom.
And it was made from a team directed by a Frenchman.
So it's not 'sickening' per se to me.
More of a 'ironic' in good surprising way. 😄
And it was made from a team directed by a Frenchman.
So it's not 'sickening' per se to me.
More of a 'ironic' in good surprising way. 😄
So, Gravity Rush 3 by Bokeh Game Studio is still in the cards? I'm all for it. If Sony wasn't greenlighting it and now they just licence it out to the new studio. Great!
Yup, the director leaving doesn't mean that the whole game gets cancelled. Halo was also the first example that came to my mind.
Cory Barlog also left SSM during God of War 3 and the game still came out.
People really need to put their knives away.
It might have just been a mistranslation, but that's what it sounded like from the interview. Toyama sounded interested in perhaps asking Sony to revisit some of his IPs, which I suppose is mainly Gravity Rush and Siren. So, strangely, his leaving the company may actually open the door more widely for those games to return than him staying, as Sony seems more interested in having the studio produce bigger games.
By SonyEra I think you mean literally most of gaming population.PlayStation is at their biggest ever, coming from their best 1st party generation strictly because of focusing on big AAA blockbuster single player games. If you hate that, you might as well stop following Sony because that is their modus operandi now.
Besides, there are whimsical games like Ratchet, AstroBot, Concrete Genie and Dreams sprinkled throughout but I doubt you care.
I'm not using "cinematic" as an insult but just as a way to describe those games. Maybe "hollywoodesqe" could be closer and more specific about Sony's modern western output's taste and style.
I would actually ask instead: what about Astro Bot looks distinctly Japanese to you? I would definitely say "nothing".
I'm well aware that this is what sells more and no one is arguing that, i'm just saying that is "disappointing" that even an enthusiast hardcore Sony comunity with a lot of 30+ years old posters only care for Playstation's last ten years' history and not much more.
Anyway western's americanized "whimsical" is completely different from Japanese's in tone, style and sensibility, and i'm not even saying that the former is objectively worse or anything, but that who legitimately craves the latter (with PS first party being a fertile platform for that kind of stuff during most of its existence) will never be satisfyed with that.
It's just sad, and hopefully i'm allowed to use such a strong word in my super epic and extreme "meltdown".
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