to add onto point 2, it's also Congress' job to authorize foreign aid. Trump used some bullshit to delay the aid to Ukraine. So he stepped on their toes in a few ways.
Pelosi announces formal Impeachment Inquiry into President Trump
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to add onto point 2, it's also Congress' job to authorize foreign aid. Trump used some bullshit to delay the aid to Ukraine. So he stepped on their toes in a few ways.
their strategy is to blame democrats for government obstruction when McConnell and his buddies have been the obstructionists all along. they'll say the dems are not effective due to Trump Derangement Syndrome or some shit.
Just a little further he talks about how the EU was a big part of this and a lot of these negotiations relied on Merkel being on their side. Even implying he was the sole and main reason that person was fired is incredibly disingenuous.
The GOP stole 2000, 2004 and 2016 for the president. Let alone stuff like NC and Georgia. They have been stealing elections for decades. There is zero evidence to trust any election result that is close involving the GOP.
Yea I get that part, i just don't understand why the democrats aren't pushing all that they are doing outside of impeachment, so people know that things are actually being sent for vote, senate is holding it up. It isn't some gray topic, they are walking and chewing gum, but need to get that point across
There is no comparison to be made between this and what Trump has done. Corruption in Ukraine was regarded as a big issue, Biden was pushing a larger anti-corruption message, the prosecutor was considered a bad egg, at the time he was fired his investigation into Burisma was dormant, there was no reason to believe Hunter Biden was ever in trouble, and all of this was very much in the open.
Aside from some potential bad optics, I don't get some of the reactions here. Am I missing something?
The Wikipedia article on impeachment is pretty useful. Impeachment most often doesn't involve criminal activity, though that certainly helps. It's more about conduct unbecoming of the office and violations of public trust.
Can anyone argue that the President hasn't done these things?
Can anyone argue that the President hasn't done these things?
Exposes him and his crime family to legal vulnerability. If not then the government is no longer functional. America has a king. So sitting on hands isn't going to prevent any of that either... But at least Option impeach has a goal.
people who don't understand the larger issues and focus on one or two soundbites they heard that sound bad in the context they're already set into
Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. Its only consequences are removal from office, which we know won't happen, not imprisonment. Not any limitations on Presidential power. So I ask, again, impeachment does what to prevent any of what you listed?
I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't be happy he is being impeached. I am saying that acting like it's some kind of barrier against further interference is, at best, naive. The plan hasn't changed and the circumstances for enacting it haven't changed. Trump only leaces office by being voted put regardless of how much the GOP cheats.
I'm glad Trump finally found the answer he was looking for last April...
How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats?
Easy! You commit an even more blatant crime!
Unfortunately, we also found out the answer to his classic question from 2014...
The answer is no.
You wait for the multiple instances of treason.
How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats?
Easy! You commit an even more blatant crime!
Unfortunately, we also found out the answer to his classic question from 2014...
The answer is no.
You wait for the multiple instances of treason.
Nah.
Absolute stupidity is thinking weakness wins you elections in the US.
Absolute stupidity is thinking that communicating that the president is above the law is good politics.
Absolute stupidity is thinking that it's a good thing for checks and balances to fail and Democratic institutions to weaken.
Absolute stupidity is fearing what the opposition that hates you will do instead of rallying your base.
Absolute stupidity is thinking that further education and exposure of crimes doesn't have an effect.
Absolute stupidity is thinking that saying trump is fine is better politics than saying he's definitely not.
Absolute stupidity is trying to use words that you can't spell properly.
His supporters already believe its a witch hunt, so it won't do anything.
This abject terror displayed by some posters is something else. Just take the win. Believe in yourself.
(1) Never said it did.
(2) Never said it was.
(3) Never said it was.
(4) Never said it was.
(5) Never said that.
(6) Most definitely didn't say that
You're full of piss and vinegar. Lashing out at me, putting words in my mouth. Being a grammer nazi and attacking my spelling. Calm down Anakin, you aren't getting awards for being an internet tough guy. Cute effort though.
But believing in yourself and fighting back is what bullies want. We shouldn't give them what they want.
/s
Also, people don't research/read anymore for themselves:
Way too many people here need to realize they're in an information war and to stop being useful idiots. You have the resources at your fingertips to clear that cloud of confusion and this "just asking questions" attitude. Do it.
What victory?
They are correct to launch the inquiry, but don't count your eggs before they hatch.
Someone correct this if wrong but I say it's likely he will be impeached because the House Of Representatives votes on impeachment. Right now the House consists of 235 Democrats and 198 Republicans. To impeach the President there has to be a simple majority vote. It is likely he could be impeached for that reason. As someone else has said there are already at least 200 democrats on board with the proceedings.
At that point the Senate would then have to vote to convict the President for them to actually be removed from office. Here the vote needs to be 2/3rds for any action to be taken. With Trump and the republicans this is highly unlikely, though of course anythings possible. It has never happened in our history though so far, and I wouldn't get my hopes up that it would this time.
Bottom line is he could well be impeached but not removed from office. It's possible he could be impeached, and then re-elected for a second term. Gross but that is another possibility.
Here's a link with some info https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/what-impeachment-how-does-it-work-n1058331
At that point the Senate would then have to vote to convict the President for them to actually be removed from office. Here the vote needs to be 2/3rds for any action to be taken. With Trump and the republicans this is highly unlikely, though of course anythings possible. It has never happened in our history though so far, and I wouldn't get my hopes up that it would this time.
Bottom line is he could well be impeached but not removed from office. It's possible he could be impeached, and then re-elected for a second term. Gross but that is another possibility.
Here's a link with some info https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/what-impeachment-how-does-it-work-n1058331
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Aside from some potential bad optics, I don't get some of the reactions here. Am I missing something?
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People who don't want biden to be the nominee are latching onto this Trump brand nothingburger and running with it.
Aside from some potential bad optics, I don't get some of the reactions here. Am I missing something?
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People who don't want biden to be the nominee are latching onto this Trump brand nothingburger and running with it.
Its not a barrier, and there is nothing that will remove him from office. I'm happy that the government is functioning the way that it was written in the constitution. I said expose. Just like his stormy Daniels shit exposed him to SDNY. We all know there are crimes there, and hopefully states and others follow suit with what impeachment reveals.
This is the only option the government has. So, its better than crying in a closet and having your elections openly hacked. With 0 effort to do anything, and just repeating "VOTE HIM OUT!" That is laughable. Its something, which is better than nothing. I also mentioned his family, who isn't protected by the nonsensical 'guideline" that a sitting president can't be indicted.
Exposure also may put the GOP in a tough position, much like Mitch was yesterday. You have a blatant disregard for the law. So he had to allow the vote for getting the full document of the whistleblower complaint. There was no wiggle room, what so ever, for the party of law and order.
There are a myriad of ways this will play out, for example, with newly revealed information of just how deep this fucking moron is trying to sell the country out, Mitch may be put in another whistle blower situation. Dude almost cried having to allow it. You've already got drips of GOP folks seeing the potential writing on the wall with challenges. So, we might get security bills for the election passed through because they want to save their own asses before its too late.
Its inherently poltiical, but politics is the main barrier preventing our government from working currently.
I am also not seeing anyone defending this on my Facebook feed.
It's because I'm not friends with trash, to be fair.
BREAKING: President Trump repeatedly pushed for the Ukrainian president to reopen an investigation of Joe Biden and his son, and asked the Ukrainian leader to work with Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr on the issue, according to a transcript of the July call.
By law, the House still can get the full complaint though right?
Same. Although I shudder to think what happens when the conservative memes kick back into gear. They'd been inching up to the line of advocating for violence for some time.