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Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous announced
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I'd be ecstatic if that's true since RTWP blows and ranges from serviceable (best case scenario) to dreadful, but there's nothing confirmed, actually.
It took Kingmaker a year or so to get mostly ironed out, but it's been one of my favorites of the recent CRPGS. Really excited for this one.
I suppose, but I personally felt like combat in DOS:2 was an unbearable slog half the time. Still, I'm all for options so people can indeed have their cake and eat it, too. However, there is always fucky balance when games offer both. Some classes in PF:KM benefit far, far more from turn based than others (like Magus) and vice versa. Same is true for Deadfire.
I too share that fear. They may ruin it. However, I will be far more forgiving if they ax the shitty AP system and just implement 5e's movement, action, bonus action, free action system. That's the only way I'll be able to tolerate turn based in BG3, if it's as true to the actual rules as possible (I'd still rather see them implemented as RtwP because I'm less of a purist and more of a staunchly stubborn asshole).
I just bought the first game after waiting forever. I hope I love it - looks really well done and tons of fun.
I wonder if I could use my shiny new Steam Controller to play on the couch? I just got it and am very intimidated by it do I have not used it yet.
glad to hear the game did well enough to get another entry :)
I wonder if I could use my shiny new Steam Controller to play on the couch? I just got it and am very intimidated by it do I have not used it yet.
glad to hear the game did well enough to get another entry :)
Can't wait!
And to everyone who is yet to play Kingmaker: do it! It is the only CRPG so far out of the recent CRPG resurgence which is a truly worthy Baldur's Gate 2 successor. Basically the only downside was its bugginess at release which is by now completely solved. It also starts a bit slow, but bear with this game, you'll love it!
And to everyone who is yet to play Kingmaker: do it! It is the only CRPG so far out of the recent CRPG resurgence which is a truly worthy Baldur's Gate 2 successor. Basically the only downside was its bugginess at release which is by now completely solved. It also starts a bit slow, but bear with this game, you'll love it!
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I imagined that Wrath of the Righteous would be the next Pathfinder adventure path Owlcat would develop if they didn't want to create their own original story. They want to have you managing something large beyond just the core adventuring party and Wrath of the Righteous is the closest adventure path to the kingdom management aspect of Kingmaker, in that you are helping to manage the defense of a kingdom and a crusade in Wrath. Hell's Rebels and its rebellion system would have also been a good candidate, though now maybe in a third game.
Owlcats have posted the full announcement on their website:
Also an interview with Owlcat leads has appeared on VentureBeat.
Also an interview with Owlcat leads has appeared on VentureBeat.
Wonder if we can expect some significant visual upgrade or it will be basically be just a "stand alone expansion".
Admittedly I was never too fond of Kingmaker's art style.
Admittedly I was never too fond of Kingmaker's art style.
From the official announcement - " With an improved visual style, Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous will offer a look and feel distinct from that of Pathfinder: Kingmaker."
Bit random, but here's the full size of that key art if anyone wants to crop avatars or whatever out of it.
Playing Kingmaker now and really enjoying it. Finally got to Pitax so I think I'm almost done.
My only issue (not a complaint) is that it is a bit too complex with the dual classes and builds. I think it is great that you can have so many insane combinations, but it is really confusing to someone whose D&D experience started and ended at 2E. I've been trying to read up on builds and its like "take 1 level of this and these feats and use this weapon, etc." and you are invincible. Meanwhile I've got a basic tank at level 15 that gets mowed down. Anyway, not a complaint, but I'm hoping there is a bit more assistance in the character creation and leveling.
I would be saddened because everything you said is wrong. Except the confirmed part, we really don't know what they are gonna do but they do want to shake it up.
Hoping this us rtwp. A ton of the CRPG revival games of the last few years have been turn based but I've always prefered rtwp like Infinity Engine, NWN, KotoR and Dragon Age.
Oddly enough for JRPG's I prefer the opposite yet people seem to be gushing over games becoming more realtime and action based when I just want more Dragon Quest 11 and like Lost Odyssey pls.
I would sctually love a western CRPG game in this style, like Lord of the Rings The Third Age. Western turn based seems to put a lot of emphasis on positioning, movement and resource expensive probability based attacks which are just not fun sometimes when your fighting like 8 zombies in a row. They feel more like Tactics games than a classic RPG.
I just finished my second full playthrough of Kingmaker (once rtwp, second time with TB mod) and I am so excited for this. Even after 300+ hours in the game, I would absolutely be ready for more.
As for the RTwP vs TB discussion, I feel like the system Owlcat made really works better with RTwP over TB. While the TB mod is incredibly cool and works surprisingly well, I found it to be much more poorly balanced, especially at the end game (which already had balancing issues, the TB mod exacerbates them).
As for the RTwP vs TB discussion, I feel like the system Owlcat made really works better with RTwP over TB. While the TB mod is incredibly cool and works surprisingly well, I found it to be much more poorly balanced, especially at the end game (which already had balancing issues, the TB mod exacerbates them).
Pahthfindah, the temperature in this zone is within acceptable limits.
You can extract minerals via your mining interface.
You can extract minerals via your mining interface.
this should be the case since while you did do a little town building(and mass combat) in WotR from what i recall, it was no where near the scale of what it was in kingmaker. of course they could change that in the pc version... they already appear to be remaking the Mythic system from the ground up.
That was one thing that made it hard for me to get into early on as well. I have no knowledge of the D&D rulesets or the classes or the best way to build your characters and it's overwhelming. I just started playing it again though and I'm really enjoying it. I was just watching a couple videos that said how OP fighters are so that's what I'm going with and it's going fine so far. I just killed the Stag Lord so I know I'm still super early in the game but I like it.
Apparently they are making a special system for that in Wrath of the Righteous (they call it "not just some special tutorial, but a whole new learning curve system that spans through the whole game and helps the player in a number of ways, and is on hand anytime they need it"), judging from this interview:
That's great. A little more information would really help improve the experience.
I'm just hoping they get rid of the kingdom management system from Kingmaker. It felt like tedious fluff and padding for me.
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Console ports for Kingmaker are planned to come out this year, though I haven't seen any talk about Switch yet. From the same recent Twinfinite interview I've linked above:
Really nice that they're leveraging the excellent (and mostly bug-fixed) engine for more Pathfinder Adventure Paths, there's so many amazing ones that could be CRPG-fied relatively easily.
Not so happy that this will be competing with the Knights of the Chalice 2 kickstarter, unless the dev changes the time (again).
Not so happy that this will be competing with the Knights of the Chalice 2 kickstarter, unless the dev changes the time (again).
It's shocking how good it is once the bugs are squashed and the balance (mostly) figured out. Why can't Obsidian just use a damn established setting with playtested mechanics?
I like both TB and RTwP but have grown to prefer RTwP. The action is more dynamic and you can, you know, pause anytime to tinker and be super strategic. Pathfinder in particular has slower paced RTwP which makes it more deliberate and enjoyable.
It would also help if they cut down a bit on the trash mobs, fireballing your 12th group of Kobolds isn't really the high octane gameplay I'm looking for in my CRPGs.
Fair point, but I will say that some trash mobs are welcome. Gives the player an opportunity to see their well built team demolish some grunts - nice little dopamine rush.
Beat my first play through of Kingmaker a couple months ago and spend 180 hours in the game. Can't wait to see this one and in combination with BG3 whenever the hell that comes out this 20/21 will be a good year for us.
I enjoyed Kingmaker's early part but felt that some of the enemies were too overpowered and the mechanics weren't too well explained and had to drop it. I hope that the second game is better in explaining its mechanics but not too handholdy.
It's been 6+ months since BG3 was announced and we still have no idea what it actually looks/plays like. Larian plz.
I have yet to give Kingmaker a proper playthrough so I'm not sure how to feel about this, but I know some people who may want to slap you for this.
According to them it was one of the best things about the game and something they are hoping to see in the sequel.
Yep, like I said on their own forum, a big reveal with a CGI teaser and then ABSOLUTELY NOTHING more for months makes the original announcement feel like the marketing equivalent of a premature ejaculation.
It's literally trash in CRPG form and specifically made for Kingmaker (the tabletop adventure path). You CAN make it work on tabletop, but it takes a lot of work and is a pain in the ass.
The golden age never ends.
According to this article, there will be some form of "Crusade management" in place of kingdom management, and they claim that they improved this aspect taking into account all the feedback they recieved on Kingmaker:
I personally enjoyed kingdom management in Kingmaker quite a bit (naturally, on "Easy" kingdom mode, all higher difficulty modes make it too frustrating). Despite its shortcomings it gave the game a proper sense of time flowing and urgency, which I appreciated.
They gave the balance several passes over time as they patched the game, so there are now far fewer overpowered enemies. You might want to give Kingmaker another try.
New interview with Owlcats' creative director Alexander Mishulin and head of publishing Andrey Tsvetkov.
A few interesting tidbits:
They are considering the possibility of an optional turn-based mode, though not actively working on it just yet:
A few interesting tidbits:
They are considering the possibility of an optional turn-based mode, though not actively working on it just yet: