Because it was released in such bad shape? Let's look at No Man Sky. Who won best ongoing game.
Opencritic puts up first ever PSA warning people about disparity of performance between platforms and suspected intentional misleading of consumers
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Yeah. It seems obvious that's what happened. They clearly gave the review codes late, forcing the reviewers to rush through the main quest, which is pretty much the game's only good thing. That or 10/10s were outright bought.
Decided to publish my more complete thoughts:
They Knew It Was Wrong. CD Projekt Red Deceived Consumers Anyway.
CD Projekt Red sought to mislead consumers and secure their bonuses when distributing review copies.opencritic.com
Good piece. Thanks for standing up for players (and their wallets).
What the fuck?! This company deserves to go the way of tell-tale at this point...the fact that they did so much to hide how crappy thier game ran is absolutely horrible & it deserves hella scorned! Ubisoft may have downgrade thier games, but they never hid it like this! Not even Bethesda did this! This next fucking level! & these fuck heads are supposed friends of gamers? My ass!
So, a few things.
Getting code for a single platform is somewhat common these days. For example, if there's a co-marketing deal, that's going to be the one that reviewers will generally get code for. Assassin's Creed Origins is a good example; it had a deal with Microsoft, so that's the version Ubisoft tended to give out. Likewise, it's not abnormal to be told, "We have code for Xbox One and PS4 now, but PC and Switch code is coming later in the week", where that later is much closer to embargo. A recent example in that case is Watch Dogs Legion, which IIRC had the next-gen console code come out much closer to embargo. This is depressingly normal.
CDPR in this case also handled some review code separate from its normal PR team, who is usually quite above board. Some publications got PC code early, while others were right before or at launch.
Furthermore, outside of some of the major outlets, you're generally not seeing reviewers that can test on everything under the sun. (That's why outlets like Digital Foundry are key.) For example, I have all the platforms readily at hand, but many reviewers are piecemeal, since they have to buy the consoles or platforms with their own money. You might have one employee with a gaming PC, Xbox Series S, and Switch, while another has a PS4 Pro and Switch. If the latter is the one that normally reviews RPGs, you're constrained. Ran into that a few times, or vice versa, were you're only given code for a platform your regular reviewer doesn't have, so you have to go with an alternate reviewer. This is less of problem pre-pandemic for the larger outlets—because the outlet itself has all the platforms—but right now, everyone is working from home, so you're stuck with the systems the reviewer in question has.
In addition to that, while some outlets can depend on multiple codes, many only get one. If given a choice, you have to pick which version you want. If you're only given a single code for say, Skyrim, and you have a Xbox 360, that's the version you'd choose, but this means you'd absolutely miss out on that memory bug that affects PS3 owners. A site like IGN might have the time and manpower to test multiple versions of a game; a smaller site can maybe do one within embargo, and assuming they get a second code for another platform, can potentially jump on a second version for a brief playthrough just to see if it holds up.
That's a lot of words to say: being told only X platform will have code available ahead of embargo is not uncommon occurrence, especially for a PC-centric developer. What tripped more red flags was the inability to use your own footage for the review. Beyond that, reviewers review what's in front of them.
And all that is before the shitstorm given to one of the people who gave it a 7/10. As I said in an older tweet.
Also, Matt hits on some salient points in his op-ed.
Apologies if this is here already, I searched but couldn't find it.
It's a short piece by one of OpenCritic's co-founders that I found it interesting for their take on CDPRs approach to review copies around the game. I can certainly see where he's coming from and it's pretty scummy if this is why they did what they did.
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It's a short piece by one of OpenCritic's co-founders that I found it interesting for their take on CDPRs approach to review copies around the game. I can certainly see where he's coming from and it's pretty scummy if this is why they did what they did.
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Opencritic puts up first ever PSA warning people about disparity of performance between platforms and suspected intentional misleading of consumers
A review page that is rapidly dropping in score.
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honestly care infinitely less about them being ~insufficiently pro-consumer~ compared to their grinding their workers into a pulp, shitting on the trans community, etc. but cool, i guess.
it does call somewhat into question opencritic's approach of aggregating all reviews across different platforms into a single score rather than allowing individual scores for different platforms
it does call somewhat into question opencritic's approach of aggregating all reviews across different platforms into a single score rather than allowing individual scores for different platforms
I'm glad they're pushing this further and other outlets should too.
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Disgusting behaviour to deceive consumers and ensure sales before putting out a laughable apology. If not already with everything else, this should stain their reputation evermore.
They Knew It Was Wrong. CD Projekt Red Deceived Consumers Anyway.
CD Projekt Red sought to mislead consumers and secure their bonuses when distributing review copies.
opencritic.com
Disgusting behaviour to deceive consumers and ensure sales before putting out a laughable apology. If not already with everything else, this should stain their reputation evermore.
YUP, reviewers/outlets had plenty of red flags and awareness but decided to post anyways. This is as much on them as well........
a reason for that was that skyrim on ps3 was more playable when it first released, it got worse after every patch
It was tied to save file size wast it? As soon as you hit over 40MB problems or something it started and got worse the longer you played. Because of some memory leak or some such that was present in the engine in all their games on ps3 that gen. The shared RAM pool on 360 somehow got past it. Crazy how little press it got
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Yeah, it's the new Crysis. Fucking nobody can run this game close to what it's supposed to look like
Well 3090 owners can probably get close. DLSS looks so bad.
Yeah I decided this like two years ago. It was a no-brainer that PS4 + Xbox One were going to be too weak for an ambitious project like this and that a proper next generation version would eventually be released.
And of course Cyberpunk has tons of serious bugs right now after release. Look at the scope of this game and all the platforms it supports. In 1-1,5 years the game will have received so many updates, fixes and enhancements that it will be a vastly superior experience and that's when I will dive in.
Look at The Witcher 3 and all the free updates it received like 2 years after release. At some point they even updated the rendering (?) engine so the graphics got better. It will even get updated further with the upcoming next gen version.
I can see why people are angry or disappointed about the state of old generation versions of Cyberpunk, but surprised I am not, because this was completely predictable.
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Cyberpunk 2077 for Xbox One and PlayStation 4 Review - IGN
Please don't play Cyberpunk 2077 on a base Xbox One or PS4. It is a shockingly bad way to experience what is a fantastic RPG on better hardware.
Cyberpunk 2077 for Xbox One and PlayStation 4 Review - IGN
Please don't play Cyberpunk 2077 on a base Xbox One or PS4. It is a shockingly bad way to experience what is a fantastic RPG on better hardware.www.ign.com
Good on them. When versions are crazy different, showing differences for major games should be the norm.
it was the save file size as well, but i do remember the performance being worse after patches compared to day 1, since i got the game at launch of ps3, and put a lot of time into it, but after a point in time, i just couldnt keep playing, even starting a new game, the performance was so bad i couldnt play
It got worse the further you played, it wasn't so much attached to patches at least in my experience.
The game became unplayable around 60 hours for me. Took quite a few patches before it got over that.
I've seen people defending the console versions on twitter saying its overblown lol. I'm lucky enough to have it on a decent pc but yeah it's shitty that these versions even got out
Meta is holding at a 90 still. Considering the PC version isn't a complete piece of shit it might hold that.
In fairness, No Man's Sky didn't release in bad shape. It ran fine from what I recall—it was just missing a lot of the features people were hoping or expected would be there.
It's not unusual for adding new systems (which is what No Man's Sky did) to be more intensive than bug fixing patches. Which makes Hello Games achievement even more impressive.
I suspect Cyberpunk will be better optimised and less bug ridden in due course. Addressing issues like the primitive emergent AI system is a more arduous task.
Good idea to put up a warning. They've been shady on purpose by hiding the PS4 and Xbox One version while they run horribly. It was the game hyping me and motivating me to build a new PC. Got all the parts but the 3080 and now I feel I can wait lol. Good way to burn all the praise and sympathy you had with the Witcher series.
Im loving the game on PS5, but this is definitely a more honest and open representation of the big picture with this game. Im really baffled at how fucking low CDPR stooped to protect their asses long enough to cash in on preorders and Day 1 purchases. Its definitely going to take a long time to fix their goodwill with the community (for multiple reasons of course).
No Man's Sky was super-crashy at launch. Probably >50% of all the crashes I have had on my PS4 from launch day until today have been No Man's Sky crashes from the first week or so after it launched.
Other than that though, yeah, I agree its performance wasn't really a big problem - but definitely the crashes were a huge issue.
The game is super buggy but purely in terms of visuals (considering art+tech), it easily is in race for the crown. But in terms of tech alone, it's a clear winner by a long shot even if there are some rather weird choices in the pipeline for Ray Tracing.
I think it sorta vindicates their approach, as on Metacritic there aren't even enough scores available for the PS4 for it to gain a metascore. So, the defacto score is the PC score, and the few scores actually criticizing the console ports are buried in a meaningless category.
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Ah, it looks like they scraped the amount of reviews needed to assemble a metascore today.
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Well I'm glad I didn't buy it, the more I saw the less I liked it so I guess that paid off. Perhaps in a sale later down the road
I think the nicest thing I can say about Cyberpunk 2077 is that it's CDPR's most playable game they've made. Absolutely did not enjoy any of the Witcher games.
Objectively yes. Subjectively, for me, yes.
Objectively yes. Subjectively, for me, yes.
Very true. However I recall (and maybe I"m not remembering correctly) that the reports at how bad the PS3 version could get were really heating up right around the time that pubs started handing out their GOTY awards and it felt like games journalists just kind of collectively shrugged and said "who cares about PS3? I played it on my 360 and had a blast".
I expect there will be an "Enhanced Edition" with massive improvements in 2022 with changes well beyond the scope of traditional patching. And it will be only on next-gen and PC of course.
i think by 2011 , it was pretty much accepted that third party games were noticeably worse on ps3, like black ops 1 on ps3 was very broken as well
How about giving us a AAA example instead? lol
What Hello Games pulled with NMS is a rare sight. You rarely see a non-GAAS do what they managed to do.
Bioware managed to fix most of Andromeda issues and its still remembered in infamy even though its a perfectly average game as of now.
