Busaiku

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,012
Whimsicott, Pikachu, Mincinno, and Flareon are in.
So that's my top 4.

Jirachi and Marshadow aren't, but they're not usually on my teams (cause they're not available most of the game, and VGC bans them).
I think they have a shot of making it in with other Mythicals though, so still hopeful.
 

Kouriozan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,417
Honestly, I think I might be out because of this. They cut far too many of my favorites for the new Pokemon to make up for.
Yeah it really is a hype killer, I mean I always had some of the cut pokémon in my main team for the whole games, what's the point anymore if your favorites are cut.
If they can't fit every monsters maybe it's time to have a longer dev cycle, because this suck so much.
 

WrenchNinja

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,790
Canada
I know this may come as a shock, but most people play one and done Pokémon games. Not everyone cares about the post game. Most people's interactions with Black and White were through the main game and therefore spent most of their time with all new Pokémon. Hell, Sword and Shield is doing better than Black and White by not locking the Pokémon from previous hens behind the post game.
That still doesn't mean they did the same thing.
 

wrowa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,409
Thought I read there were 600+..

But really, not even Bulbasuar and Squirtle made it? CHILE. They didn't get THANOS''D, they got GAMEFREAK'D

All of the starters (sans Charmander) and legendaries missing makes it obvious that they'll patch in more Pokemon later or release them as event Pokemon, though. There's no chance they are just going to abandon all of the starters, they are just too popular for that.
 

mute

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
25,624
Looking at it as positive as possible, I haven't played a pokemon game seriously since Red/Blue (got maybe a 3rd of the way into Gold/Silver) so for me there is a lot of new here.

Still though there are tons of designs that I have been exposed to and really like that aren't in, which is a bummer.
 

MrWindUpBird

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,686
Yeah... No. A lot of Pokemon fans do like the post-game.

And the fact that B&W still let you use old gen Pokemon afterwards means it wasn't removing the choice ALL together.

Because that's what S&S is doing, removing all choice.
Pokémon is one of the highest selling game franchises out there. You'd be lucky if even 20% of the people who buy the games care about post game. I never said there aren't people who don't enjoy the post game, but most people who play Pokémon are kids. They beat it and move on. Hell, the only Pokémon game I haven't played is Let's Go and I've never cared about post game.
Either way, it doesn't matter. You're all gonna buy the game anyway, you always do.
 

Kalentan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
45,423
Pokémon is one of the highest selling game franchises out there. You'd be lucky if even 20% of the people who buy the games care about post game. I never said there aren't people who don't enjoy the post game, but most people who play Pokémon are kids. They beat it and move on. Hell, the only Pokémon game I haven't played is Let's Go and I've never cared about post game.
Either way, it doesn't matter. You're all gonna buy the game anyway, you always do.

Well I'm not buying it. GameFreak have shown me that I shouldn't give them money.
 
Dec 7, 2017
241
Wow, Furret, Metagross, Houndoom, Murkrow and Aron got snapped?
Heckers.
A lot more than I was expecting got removed. I thought for sure as well all gen ones were safe bets, but apparently not. =/
 

MrWindUpBird

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,686
You clearly don't, so inform yourself before talking shit like this:
Fine, they didn't do exactly the same thing then. They still locked previous gens behind the post game, which a small fraction of the install base cares about, and whom never saw those classic ones anyway. All this Dex shit is a bunch of grown ass 30 years olds yelling at each other because their favorite character didn't make it in to a toy that they haven't even bought yet. It's embarrassing.
 

Crashman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,240
Well, my favorite is Nidoking, so that's no good. I was real confident the Nidos would make it in too. It's the UK, man, and they're royalty! Gigantomax is big on kaiju reference and Nidoking is literally Baragon!
 

Berordn

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,799
NoVA
Pokémon is one of the highest selling game franchises out there. You'd be lucky if even 20% of the people who buy the games care about post game. I never said there aren't people who don't enjoy the post game, but most people who play Pokémon are kids. They beat it and move on. Hell, the only Pokémon game I haven't played is Let's Go and I've never cared about post game.
Either way, it doesn't matter. You're all gonna buy the game anyway, you always do.
nobody's under any delusions that the games won't do well, but that doesn't make the criticism invalid. they've removed features from a series that we've enjoyed in the past, and the cuts finally reached a point where a lot of prior fans are no longer interested. it'll still sell millions, but it doesn't mean the changes are objectively good in any way.

personally, my journey for these games have gone from get at release > wait for more info on final roster > wait for a steep cut some time in the distant future.
 

Kouriozan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,417
AFAIK it's confirmed that the dex is 400 Pokémon and there is no extended Dex post game.

Actually no real post game at all it seems.
No post game is a complete joke, looks like B2/W2 will be the very last good Pokémon game after all.
I'm so pissed right now, maybe it's time for me to stop being so invested in this IP.
 

Pallo

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
424
I've always disliked how Pikachu took the spotlight from my favourite Pokémon, Raichu. But in this case I'm very thankful for Pikachu most likely securing the future survival of Raichu.
 

MrWindUpBird

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,686
I'm very possibly not, as I've about had it with Gamefreak's bullshit.

Black and White were the best games, but all the Pokemon I like that were not in those games could still be accessed post-game and I did just that.
And if you don't end up buying it that's totally your decision, voting with your wallet is definitely the way to go when it comes to things like this. These Pokémon threads get more traction than a lot of others on this site and it's crazy to me the amount of complaining that's going on, and some of those same people still wanting to buy a game that they're intent on hating from the get go.
 
List of cut Pokémon

TimeFire

Avenger
Nov 26, 2017
9,625
Brazil
Come see if your favourite made the cut in a Ctrl +F friendly format!

Bulbasaur
Ivysaur
Venosaur
Squirtle
Wartotle
Blastoise
Weedle
Kakuna
Beedrill
Pidgey
Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
Rattata
Raticate
Spearow
Fearow
Arbok
Ekans
Sandshrew
Sandslash
Nidoran
Nidorino
Nidoking
Nidoran
Nidorina
Nidoqueen
Jigglypuff
Igglybuff
Zubat
Golbat
Paras
Parasect
Venonat
Venomoth
Psyduck
Golduck
Mankey
Primeape
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Poliwrath
Abra
Kadabra
Alakazam
Belsprout
Victrebell
Weepinbell
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Slowpoke
Slowbro
Magnemite
Magneton
Doduo
Dodrio
Seel
Dewgong
Grimer
Muk
Drowzee
Hypno
Voltorb
Electrode
Exeggcute
Exeggutor
Cubone
Marowak
Lickitung
Porygon
Omanyte
Omastar
Kabuto
Kabutops
Aerodactyl
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Dratini
Dragonair
Dragonite
Mewtwo

Chikorita
Bayleef
Meganium
Cyndaquil
Quilava
Typhlosion
Totodile
Croconaw
Feraligatr
Sentret
Furret
Ledyba
Ledian
Spinarak
Ariados
Crobat
Wigglytuff
Mareep
Flaaffy
Ampharos
Marill
Azumarill
Politoad
Hoppip
Skiploom
Jumpluff
Aipom
Sunkern
Sunflora
Yanma
Murkoru
Slowking
Misdreavus
Unown
Giraffarig
Pineco
Forretress
Dunsparce
Gligar
Snubbull
Granbull
Scizor
Heracross
Teddyursa
Ursaring
Slugma
Magcargo
Skarmory
Houndour
Houndoom
Kingdra
Phanpy
Donphan
Porygon-2
Smeargle
Smoochum
Elekid
Magby
Miltank
Blissey
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi

Treecko
Grovyle
Sceptile
Torchick
Combusken
Blaziken
Mudkip
Marshtomp
Swampert
Poochyena
Mightyena
Wurmple
Silcoon
Cascoon
Beautifly
Dustox
Taillow
Swellow
Surskit
Masquerain
Shroomish
Breloom
Slakoth
Vigoroth
Slaking
Whismur
Loudred
Makuhita
Hariyama
Azurill
Nosepass
Skitty
Delcatty
Aron
Lairon
Aggron
Meditite
Medichan
Plusle
Minun
Volbeat
Illumise
Gulpin
Swalot
Carvanha
Sharpedo
Numel
Camerupt
Spoink
Grumpig
Spinda
Cacnea
Cacturn
Swablu
Altaria
Zangoose
Seviper
Lileep
Cradily
Anorith
Armaldo
Castform
Keckleon
Shupett
Banette
Tropius
Chimecho
Absol
Spheal
Sealeo
Walrein
Clamperl
Huntail
Gorebyss
Luvdisc
Bagon
Shelgon
Salamence
Beldum
Metang
Metagross
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Latios
Latias
Kyogre
Groundon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys

Turtwig
Grotle
Torterra
Chimchar
Monferno
Infernape
Piplup
Prinplup
Empoleon
Starly
Staravia
Staraptor
Bidoof
Bibarel
Kricketot
Kricketune
Shinx
Luxio
Luxray
Cranidos
Rampardos
Shieldon
Bastiodon
Burmy
Wormadan
Mothim
Pachirisu
Buizel
Floatzel
Ambipom
Buneary
Lopunny
Mismagius
Honchkrow
Glameow
Purugly
Chingling
Happiny
Chatot
Spiritomb
Gible
Gabite
Garchomp
Carnivine
Finneon
Lumineon
Magnezone
Lickilicky
Tangrowth
Electivire
Magmortar
Yanmega
Gliscor
Porygon-Z
Probopass
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Dialga
Palkia
Heatran
Regigigas
Giratina
Cresselia
Phione
Manaphy
Darkray
Shaymin
Arceus

Victini
Snivy
Servine
Serperior
Tepig
Pignite
Emboar
Oshawott
Dewott
Samurott
Patrat
Watchog
Lillipup
Herdier
Stoutland
Pansage
Simisage
Pansear
Simisear
Panpour
Simipour
Blitzle
Zebstrika
Audino
Sewaddle
Swadloon
Leavany
Vernipede
Whirlipede
Scolipede
Petilil
Liligant
Sandile
Krokorok
Krookodile
Tirtouga
Carracosta
Archen
Archeops
Zorua
Zoruark
Ducklett
Swanna
Deerling
Sawsbuck
Emolga
Foongus
Amoonguss
Alomomola
Tynamo
Eelektrik
Eelektross
Cryogonal
Mienfoo
Mienshao
Driddigon
Boufallant
Larvesta
Volcarona
Cobalion
Terrakion
Virizion
Tornadus
Thundurus
Zekrom
Reshiram
Landorus
Kyurem
Keldeo
Melloetta
Genesect

Chespin
Quilladin
Chesnaught
Fennekin
Braixen
Delphox
Froakie
Frogadier
Greninja
Fletchling
Fletchinder
Talonflame
Scatterbug
Spewpa
Vivillion
Pyroar
Flabebe
Floette
Florges
Skiddo
Gogoat
Furfrou
Skrelp
Dragalge
Clauncher
Clawitzer
Tyrunt
Tyrantrum
Amara
Aurorus
Dedenne
Carbink
Klefki
Xerneas
Yvetal
Zygarde
Diance
Hoopa
Volcanion

Rowlet
Dartrix
Decidueye
Litten
Torracat
Inceneroar
Popplio
Brionne
Primarina
Pikipek
Trumbeak
Toucannon
Yongoos
Gumshoos
Crabrawler
Crabominable
Oricorio
Rockruff
Lycanrock
Fomantis
Lurantis
Comfey
Sandygast
Palossand
Minior
Komala
Bruxish
Tapu Koko
Tapu Lele
Tapu Bulu
Tapu Fini
Cosmog
Cosmoem
Solgaleo
Lunala
Nihilego
Buzzswole
Pheromosa
Xurkitree
Celesteela
Kartana
Guzzlord
Necrozma
Magearna
Marshadow
Poiple
Naganadel
Stakataka
Blacephalon
Zeraora
Meltan
Melmetal
 

KillstealWolf

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
16,493
For another comparison, look at the Pokken Roster:

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Of the 22 pokemon listed here (I won't count shadow mewtwo).

These 10 made it in:
Pikachu
Lucario
Gardevoir
Aegislash
Croagunk
Gengar
Machamp
Chandelure
Weavile
Charizard

And these 12 didn't:
Scizor
Pikachu Libre (Admittingly hasn't been in since Gen 6)
Blaziken
Darkrai
Blaistoise
Empoleon
Braixen
Decidueye
Sceptile
Garchomp
Suicune
Mewtwo

Even if Mewtwo is to be confirmed, that's still means Half of Pokken's Roster, which contains some of the most popular pokemon across the generations, are no shows.

I've always disliked how Pikachu took the spotlight from my favourite Pokémon, Raichu. But in this case I'm very thankful for Pikachu most likely securing the future survival of Raichu.

Speaking of Raichu, we are still waiting to hear what the fates of the Alolan versions are.
 

Odeko

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Mar 22, 2018
15,180
West Blue
Guys, guys stop comparing this to Thanos.

Thanos only killed HALF of the population, Game Freak's butting up on 60%
 
OP
OP

Deleted member 31092

User requested account closure
Banned
Nov 5, 2017
10,783
Come see if your favourite made the cut in a Ctrl +F friendly format!

Bulbasaur
Ivysaur
Venosaur
Squirtle
Wartotle
Blastoise
Weedle
Kakuna
Beedrill
Pidgey
Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
Rattata
Raticate
Spearow
Fearow
Arbok
Ekans
Sandshrew
Sandslash
Nidoran
Nidorino
Nidoking
Nidoran
Nidorina
Nidoqueen
Jigglypuff
Igglybuff
Zubat
Golbat
Paras
Parasect
Venonat
Venomoth
Psyduck
Golduck
Mankey
Primeape
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Poliwrath
Abra
Kadabra
Alakazam
Belsprout
Victrebell
Weepinbell
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Geodude
Graveler
Golem
Slowpoke
Slowbro
Magnemite
Magneton
Doduo
Dodrio
Seel
Dewgong
Grimer
Muk
Drowzee
Hypno
Voltorb
Electrode
Exeggcute
Exeggutor
Cubone
Marowak
Lickitung
Porygon
Omanyte
Omastar
Kabuto
Kabutops
Aerodactyl
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Dratini
Dragonair
Dragonite
Mewtwo

Chikorita
Bayleef
Meganium
Cyndaquil
Quilava
Typhlosion
Totodile
Croconaw
Feraligatr
Sentret
Furret
Ledyba
Ledian
Spinarak
Ariados
Crobat
Wigglytuff
Mareep
Flaaffy
Ampharos
Marill
Azumarill
Politoad
Hoppip
Skiploom
Jumpluff
Aipom
Sunkern
Sunflora
Yanma
Murkoru
Slowking
Misdreavus
Unown
Giraffarig
Pineco
Forretress
Dunsparce
Gligar
Snubbull
Granbull
Scizor
Heracross
Teddyursa
Ursaring
Slugma
Magcargo
Skarmory
Houndour
Houndoom
Kingdra
Phanpy
Donphan
Porygon-2
Smeargle
Smoochum
Elekid
Magby
Miltank
Blissey
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi

Treecko
Grovyle
Sceptile
Torchick
Combusken
Blaziken
Mudkip
Marshtomp
Swampert
Poochyena
Mightyena
Wurmple
Silcoon
Cascoon
Beautifly
Dustox
Taillow
Swellow
Surskit
Masquerain
Shroomish
Breloom
Slakoth
Vigoroth
Slaking
Whismur
Loudred
Makuhita
Hariyama
Azurill
Nosepass
Skitty
Delcatty
Aron
Lairon
Aggron
Meditite
Medichan
Plusle
Minun
Volbeat
Illumise
Gulpin
Swalot
Carvanha
Sharpedo
Numel
Camerupt
Spoink
Grumpig
Spinda
Cacnea
Cacturn
Swablu
Altaria
Zangoose
Seviper
Lileep
Cradily
Anorith
Armaldo
Castform
Keckleon
Shupett
Banette
Tropius
Chimecho
Absol
Spheal
Sealeo
Walrein
Clamperl
Huntail
Gorebyss
Luvdisc
Bagon
Shelgon
Salamence
Beldum
Metang
Metagross
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Latios
Latias
Kyogre
Groundon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys

Turtwig
Grotle
Torterra
Chimchar
Monferno
Infernape
Piplup
Prinplup
Empoleon
Starly
Staravia
Staraptor
Bidoof
Bibarel
Kricketot
Kricketune
Shinx
Luxio
Luxray
Cranidos
Rampardos
Shieldon
Bastiodon
Burmy
Wormadan
Mothim
Pachirisu
Buizel
Floatzel
Ambipom
Buneary
Lopunny
Mismagius
Honchkrow
Glameow
Purugly
Chingling
Happiny
Chatot
Spiritomb
Gible
Gabite
Garchomp
Carnivine
Finneon
Lumineon
Magnezone
Lickilicky
Tangrowth
Electivire
Magmortar
Yanmega
Gliscor
Porygon-Z
Probopass
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Dialga
Palkia
Heatran
Regigigas
Giratina
Cresselia
Phione
Manaphy
Darkray
Shaymin
Arceus

Victini
Snivy
Servine
Serperior
Tepig
Pignite
Emboar
Oshawott
Dewott
Samurott
Patrat
Watchog
Lillipup
Herdier
Stoutland
Pansage
Simisage
Pansear
Simisear
Panpour
Simipour
Blitzle
Zebstrika
Audino
Sewaddle
Swadloon
Leavany
Vernipede
Whirlipede
Scolipede
Petilil
Liligant
Sandile
Krokorok
Krookodile
Tirtouga
Carracosta
Archen
Archeops
Zorua
Zoruark
Ducklett
Swanna
Deerling
Sawsbuck
Emolga
Foongus
Amoonguss
Alomomola
Tynamo
Eelektrik
Eelektross
Cryogonal
Mienfoo
Mienshao
Driddigon
Boufallant
Larvesta
Volcarona
Cobalion
Terrakion
Virizion
Tornadus
Thundurus
Zekrom
Reshiram
Landorus
Kyurem
Keldeo
Melloetta
Genesect

Chespin
Quilladin
Chesnaught
Fennekin
Braixen
Delphox
Froakie
Frogadier
Greninja
Fletchling
Fletchinder
Talonflame
Scatterbug
Spewpa
Vivillion
Pyroar
Flabebe
Floette
Florges
Skiddo
Gogoat
Furfrou
Skrelp
Dragalge
Clauncher
Clawitzer
Tyrunt
Tyrantrum
Amara
Aurorus
Dedenne
Carbink
Klefki
Xerneas
Yvetal
Zygarde
Diance
Hoopa
Volcanion

Rowlet
Dartrix
Decidueye
Litten
Torracat
Inceneroar
Popplio
Brionne
Primarina
Pikipek
Trumbeak
Toucannon
Yongoos
Gumshoos
Crabrawler
Crabominable
Oricorio
Rockruff
Lycanrock
Fomantis
Lurantis
Comfey
Sandygast
Palossand
Minior
Komala
Bruxish
Tapu Koko
Tapu Lele
Tapu Bulu
Tapu Fini
Cosmog
Cosmoem
Solgaleo
Lunala
Nihilego
Buzzswole
Pheromosa
Xurkitree
Celesteela
Kartana
Guzzlord
Necrozma
Magearna
Marshadow
Poiple
Naganadel
Stakataka
Blacephalon
Zeraora
Meltan
Melmetal

I'm adding this post to the OP
 

Berordn

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,799
NoVA
The fact is, every major game franchise does this.
yes
and everyone has a valid subjective opinion on what the reasonable tradeoff for that should be

it shouldn't be considered unreasonable for the national dex to be the straw that broke the camel's back in these with how many other features entries have cut
 

Mirabai

Member
Nov 4, 2017
324
Over 1000 people, the strongest ip in the world and all they can do is 400 pokemon. Wow, really wow.....what a fan service.
 

defaltoption

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
11,589
Austin
This sucks dude none of my favs made it in. I'll use just new Pokémon for my first play through but dude this shit needs to be the number 1 priority for every Pokemon game going forward, I don't care what excuse they have. Delay delay delay if you need to. The game went up in price for Pete's sake. They gotta start listening to their fans.

My boy Psyduck...
 

V_ac

Avenger
Jul 2, 2018
3,798
Wait, Type:Null and Silvally are the only non-Mew legendaries that are in?

What, does Gladion cameo in Sword and Shield or something? Why them of all things?
 

Deleted member 17402

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,125
Only thing that bums me out is that I never really experienced Sun/Moon, so there's a whole generation of Pokemon I effectively never saw. I haven't really been into the series for a long time but I still managed to get caught up in each new generation and somewhat familiarize myself with the new Pokemon. I'll probably never see some of those from Sun/Moon now. Ah well, that's alright. Still looking forward to this game. I hope Gigantimax or whatever that stupid shit is doesn't turn me off from it.
 

Timelord19

One Winged Slayer
Member
Aug 21, 2018
1,507
Mallorca, Spain
So only 400 pokemon (rip my Gliscor, Scizor, Garchomp and Salamences with perfect IV and egg moves), and no post game. I hope at least the main history is good man.

And they royally fucked me with no abra to get the nature I want with eggs. Have they made some changes in the breeding system? It's still a chore?
 

JakeNoseIt

Catch My Drift
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
4,553
I guess it's weird to me that I can't transfer over all my Pokemon from Let's Go. Particularly since they talked about that kind of functionality
 

Astral

Member
Oct 27, 2017
28,724
Is no post game confirmed? You just beat the league and that's it? There's nothing else to do?
 

riq

Member
Feb 21, 2019
1,695
I know this may come as a shock, but most people play one and done Pokémon games. Not everyone cares about the post game. Most people's interactions with Black and White were through the main game and therefore spent most of their time with all new Pokémon. Hell, Sword and Shield is doing better than Black and White by not locking the Pokémon from previous hens behind the post game.
Yes. And this thread isn't for them.
 

Buttons

Member
Oct 31, 2017
3,217
Wait... no Psyduck?! I use Psyduck on every single playthrough of a Pokemon game if I can. :( Not sure I want the new game now.
 

Weebos

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,060
Most of my favorites are Legendaries, so I was resigned to this fate from the outset.
 

Mudo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,122
Tennessee
Honest question since I haven't kept up:

What new feature(s) were added to this game to justify culling like 60% of the dex???