I want to know this: How many of the devs that made a deal with Epic were actually in danger of losing their house or paying their loan?
Ooblets will be exclusive to Epic Games Store on PC
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I want to know this: How many of the devs that made a deal with Epic were actually in danger of losing their house or paying their loan?
Why would that matter? It should be fine if they just want to get a payday now. They shouldnt get to complain about some people not buying the game then though
Teething problems are always expected when you build new software based products, but that doesn't mean customers have to deal with it when there are vastly superior products on the market. By forcing people onto their subpar store epic are just generating bad word of mouth and customer resentment.
Stadia will be limited in its launch, but if it does offer good services not found on other platforms even in its state youll find that people will start using it and as it grows so will its user base.A great start example of this is Monzo which started off relatively small but because it addressed a gap in the market and was reallly good, it gradually grew.
The breaking even line makes perfect sense to me. Before this whole ordeal, I would reckon that not a lot of people knew about Ooblets - let alone wanted to play it.
Well now they're breaking even with the game and it's more out there in the public eye.
Except Nintendo has skirted on behind-the-times technology for the better part of two decades.
We talking indie devs? Probably a fair number especially for smaller games, but consumers aren't really entitled to that info regardless
The discord for this game is fascinating. The dev fluctuates between saying they should've taken the tone of the piece into consideration, and calling people who complain GamerGators, while liking every post calling them children. It's like watching someone throw gas onto a fire than acting confused when it gets bigger.
That's not what I meant, ppl are literally painting Epic like if they were Jesus going to poor devs homes that do not have money for eat and giving them money, when most of the deals they made were for already successful devs or successful KS.
Yeah, I don't know why they had to go in like that. They even contradict themselves, first talking about how they didn't make this decision lightly and then belittle any concerns regarding the EGS.
Really should have stopped after explaining that it financially makes the most sense for them to take the deal
They've shut down the subreddit and are deleting all the screencaps.
Technically speaking, prior success does not equal future success, and a single failure could wipe out the profits of all prior successes singlehandedly.
It makes sense for Epic to target already successful devs since they've proven themselves to be able to deliver an end-product, as well as the best chance of Epic recouping their investment.
Yep.....no such thing as negative game press, isnt that right Phill Fish?......The developer is in the public eye, not the game.Whether that becomes advantageous or detrimental has yet to be seen.
Well thats certainly gonna help with sales now isnt it.But as they said thats not important anymore.
If they cancel Ooblets and leave the industry then I think that's an adequate comparison 😛
I don't think anyone else could get away with something as utterly idiotic as Nintendo's online strategy
Isn't that against reddit ToS? I mean that the devs are running the subreddit?
If anything, I think buying the game on Steam would support the dev even more since at that point you're guaranteed that your sale isn't going to be included in the minimum guaranteed by the EGS deal.
. You are the one that brought up the argument of good man Epic going around and giving starving devs money, not I.
I don't care, but someone made the argument, not I. I wanted to know if it was a simple assumption or some devs stated that Epic deal indeed save them from losing their house or allow them giving their family food.
Most deals like Piranha Bites and others, talk about giving them a stable feet to stay afloat, not literally saving them from poverty. And comes from well stablished devs with past successes.
Well since Epic are footing the bill then thats not gonna happen but the point of bringing Phill Fish up was to illustrate the adage that sometimes "bad press is just...bad press". Notoriety does not translate into sales popularity for future projects, especially if your combative with said potential customers.
Part of the EGS indie exclusivity deal should be access to a PR firm to help create announcements and deal with potential backlash. This is embarrassing and harmful stuff for their company.
The Steam was bad 15 years ago argument is really awful, it just means that other clients have the opportunity to piggyback on the things Steam has done well. Products aren't developed inside of a bubble, this is how human progress works.
Steam obviously is not a monopoly and they haven't taken any action against EGS to indicate that they want to be a monopoly so Schreier disappoints again. And as much as I support indie developers taking the EGS deal if they are risk averse I don't view game developers as sacred and I won't support a company damaging a market just so they can feel better. Going into a business like this is inherently risky and Epic isn't throwing money around for the purpose of creating stability, they want market share. It won't last forever.
The Steam was bad 15 years ago argument is really awful, it just means that other clients have the opportunity to piggyback on the things Steam has done well. Products aren't developed inside of a bubble, this is how human progress works.
Steam obviously is not a monopoly and they haven't taken any action against EGS to indicate that they want to be a monopoly so Schreier disappoints again. And as much as I support indie developers taking the EGS deal if they are risk averse I don't view game developers as sacred and I won't support a company damaging a market just so they can feel better. Going into a business like this is inherently risky and Epic isn't throwing money around for the purpose of creating stability, they want market share. It won't last forever.
My extremely selfish motivation for wanting things on steam is that I'm one of the few people who use a hardware setup that works best with native steam games. I used to primarily use a steam link, but now my rig is updated to be able to run games in 4k, and I'm using a method that really only Steam's big-picture mode has the ability to make work. Epic's store has absolutely none of this functionality and, while I can add non-steam games to work in big picture, it's pretty hit or miss whether controls will work properly that way. It's probably a pretty niche issue but I very much prefer games native to steam.
Can't begrudge any devs who take the deal but I'm still not a big fan of forced exclusivity like this.
Can't begrudge any devs who take the deal but I'm still not a big fan of forced exclusivity like this.
Most devs I know don't even have a mortgage to begin with. Losing a house is a much higher level than we are dealing with, more other things are down in the "it would be nice to have health insurance someday" end of the spectrum.
The reason why so many people are taking Epic's deal (even if they know they will get backlash) is because it represents a huge upgrade in the way that they can live and work.
They just blame people not liking the store instead of their messaging and the tone. Or just call everyone angry gamers. Or say people who don't like the Epic store shouldn't like their game.
Somehow devs and the press decided to label everyone who doesn't like a store buying third party games angry gamers and that was that.
Somehow devs and the press decided to label everyone who doesn't like a store buying third party games angry gamers and that was that.
Why would it be? I believe I've seen it before.
(and I mean it: Why would it not be okay?)
Why not? The whole example was that a low resolution console could not be a serious competitor to the current ones. Seemed kinda accurate.
It was really bad when it was first rolled out, to the point where people wanted to stick to the WON network for leagues (at least in the TFC community) until we were all forced to the new platform.
What is the argument? Is it in defense of the EGS platform being "terrible"?
Not saying it's okay or not, I just saw that argument come up with regards to other subreddits where parts of the dev team were moderators. I honestly didn't know if that was against the ToS hence me asking.
It's all too easy for them to abuse their power and censor all criticism.
Because, and I know people freaking out about Fast & the Furious and that movie with the live-action cats can confuse you on this - it's not 2003.
What matters is that the EGS sucks in 2019, not 2003.
I think you are "a little" too biaised on the subject to continue the "discussion".
We need to post those discord caps again to get people back into the context of the debate. Think new waves of people are coming in just thinking this is another stock EGS argument.
46 pages? !
Did anything special happen? I could swear the last two EGS exclusives announcements only reached 15 pages or so?
Did anything special happen? I could swear the last two EGS exclusives announcements only reached 15 pages or so?
I meant why it wouldn't be okay from a TOS standpoint, like, I get why it's problematic, but I didn't thought Reddit would care
Ah, I see. Hm.
They started out with an overly defensive and condescending blog post and then kinda kept digging.
No small indie team is going to be hated on by reasonable people for taking an Epic deal. The devs in question simply trading exclusivity for immediate financial security is not why this thread is blowing up.
The way the ooblets developer handled this situation is why this thread has so many pages.
I remember when I bought HL2 and Steam was awful. That doesn't mean EGS has an excuse to retread that ground because they can use Steam's experience as a guideline for their own client and copy the features that work.
And it's more than the blog post. Someone please get those screenshots going. All of them, if you can.
Ah okay then I mixed that up, thank you. I almost exclusively only lurk reddit for news so I don't know about all the rules etc.
I'm having a great time with people who are very pro EGS investing in devs (a reasonable position that I think most considerate people share) trying to bend over backwards to defend this dev's absurdly terrible handling of this situation. So many people are reading that blog post and saying "I don't see the condescension" with a straight face.
Devs getting paid and being secure is great AND this dev was a total dick to people for no reason. Both are factually true.
Devs getting paid and being secure is great AND this dev was a total dick to people for no reason. Both are factually true.
This fallout is all pretty sad, because the woman working on the game who showed it off to me long ago seemed like a really cool and passionate indie dev. I don't believe she's the one throwing fuel on the fire on discord, and the whole snarky attitude with how the company has defended the choice seems opposed to the overall nature of the game itself. Get some PR help stat.
Not sure why they thought I'd have an EGS account for Fortnite, I don't think the market for Battle Royale and Cutesy Life Sim games is a 1:1 overlap.
The tweets about this are ironic cause the main reason I don't use EGS is due to Epic's poor treatment of game workers in the past, not any consumer qualms. I'm certainly not a raving GGer.
Not sure why they thought I'd have an EGS account for Fortnite, I don't think the market for Battle Royale and Cutesy Life Sim games is a 1:1 overlap.
The tweets about this are ironic cause the main reason I don't use EGS is due to Epic's poor treatment of game workers in the past, not any consumer qualms. I'm certainly not a raving GGer.
I understand. I don't know why some people do that. It's much better to use a clean, short, neutral explanation, reassure refunds will be done if applicable, and the have radio silence for 2-3 weeks, only appearing again with good news (new trailer, content blog, etc).
Was wondering why this thread was so large and I started catching up and
The devs seem to really like their fans:
If someone cant see the image. Someone asks that they cant buy the game through EGS, since his country isnt supported yet and would have to pay USD.
Answer:
"No one owes you the game. Just wait."
Wow.
Even worse. Some Patreon supporter from Malaysia talking about his opinion:
Answer to that:
Here to show that it is meant for that and not just cut wrong:
There is even more:
Nooooo! Dig up. Dig up!Did someone say PR?
