Eh Robert Mugabe perpetrated a genocide against the Ndebele called Gukurahundi.
Can we please be more mindful.
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On Voting or Not Voting for Biden in Light of the Sexual Assault Allegations |OT| Discussion Guidelines in OP
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Can we please be more mindful.
And Trump is perpetuating a genocide against hispanics. Nazis are murdering people in broad daylight. Synagogues and mosques are being shot up by Trump supporters.
I'm becoming scared to live in this country, and it's the only home I've ever known.
Donald Trump would stoop lower than Mugabe if you put him in that environment. I 100% believe that.
Ok. I hope he'll get voted out. I really do.
I'm Zimbabwean. My families life was uprooted by Mugabe. People have been killed and tortured by his regime. The only 'community' that counted to him where the people that supported him.
His legacy is a country that can barely supply clean drinking water or running electricity to the people. Where dissidents, ethnic and sexual minorities are incarcerated or killed.
Fear of the government is something I've known since i was a child.
I wish your country pulls through these times.
Yeah I don't say this lightly. Trump just sent a bunch of broken ventilators to one blue state, a day's worth of supplies to another blue state, 17% of the requested supplies to another blue state, while filling three orders for a single red state completely.
I can't claim to truly know the horrors that your family experienced, nor do I mean to insinuate that you had it better under Mugabe than America does under Trump; That is flat out not true. But Trump *is* committing genocide against Americans, and he feels no connection with others, and retains no concept of "his people," and he has no life experiences that allow him to relate to others on any level, as he has been coddled from birth with aristocratic privilege.
I'm absolutely terrified of the fascist direction this country is going in, and I'm extremely worried hiding those problems behind Biden is just going to make take us further down that road. Trump is god awful but what the fuck is Biden going to really do to change any of it?
How the fuck does it ever get better if all our focus goes into trying to driving toward the cliff at 40mph instead of 50mph? That e're rapidly reaching the point of no return. Have you seen the state of the entire world in 2020 already? Our world's problems are exploding on us in real time, and they go so much deeper than Trump.
Fuck Trump and Fuck Biden. We don't have the time to play lesser of two evils anymore. Take whatever vote you feel is more strategic or moral or whatever, but don't fool yourselves into thinking it really does anything anywhere close to what we need. Anyone wasting their breath pushing lesser of two evil arguments has their head in the sand on how fucking terrible this situation is.
How the fuck does it ever get better if all our focus goes into trying to driving toward the cliff at 40mph instead of 50mph? That e're rapidly reaching the point of no return. Have you seen the state of the entire world in 2020 already? Our world's problems are exploding on us in real time, and they go so much deeper than Trump.
Fuck Trump and Fuck Biden. We don't have the time to play lesser of two evils anymore. Take whatever vote you feel is more strategic or moral or whatever, but don't fool yourselves into thinking it really does anything anywhere close to what we need. Anyone wasting their breath pushing lesser of two evil arguments has their head in the sand on how fucking terrible this situation is.
Abstain from voting for the president, but still vote down ticket.
And Biden would get us what? We'd still be on the path to quick and total collapse of our healthcare system. How comforting is it to think about a world where potentially millions are still dying due to our fucked up healthcare and economic system, but which millions that die is on less partisan lines.
What is the point of any of this if litterally all we can say about anything is trump sucks? Hope has to come from somewhere, and it certainly doesn't seem like it's going to come from rallying behind Biden.
you're not getting M4A even if Bernie wins.
There would be too many potential business losses involved it would never happen. So why hang your hat on a fantasy (in America)
isn't that exactly what Bernie supporters are doing right now with rape accusations against Biden? Using rape victims as a cudgel against Biden. It's transparent as to which ones didnt even bother to learn the woman's name.
As to your other point, Biden already has the black vote so I don't think it's people using minitorities struggles against each other. For four years we were told how badly trump treats minitority groups so it really shouldn't be any surprise that people are out here listinfo those as additional reasons to vote Trump out.
This all still stems from people upset that the country didn't support Bernie.
Biden promises a woman VP nomination. Cool, let's impeach him for his crimes once he gets in office and make her the first sitting women president. Make history in the process, make America see that a woman is more than capable to run this country. It will do the world more good than trying to shoe horn socialism in.
End of the day, You should be scared by the way Trump is handling this virus and want him out for that alone. Thousands will die, maybe a million people when it's all over. He is killing our country.
It's never going to happen.
First of all electing someone so you can impeach him is just about the dumbest way you can get the candidate you want.
Second the democrats will not impeach their own president. If republicans start an impeachment proceeding you'll see the same people that are arguing that even if he is a rapist Biden is better than Trump saying that if Biden gets impeached the republicans will win the following elections, so everyone should unite behind Biden because of the Greater Good
Also looking forward to seeing the next monster a few people here will claim they'd vote for to beat Trump. Hitler is gonna be hard to beat, but Mugabe is a pretty good contender as well
You're telling me you're not witnessing the tragedy of Reades rape being used as a launching point for Bernie supporters on the internet? Let's leave resetera out of it for a second despite seeing it on here as well. People will use a horrific accusation as a weapon with out ever showing any empathy to the victim. Like where is their heart really at?
...I just can't. Have you taken a look around? There are people smearing her and accusing her of being a Russian bot. There are people who want to desperately brush this under the rug for the "greater good".
There's a group of people who are lacking empathy, but it isn't the one who's believing her and calling out Biden.
Also, it's rich of you to accuse others of not learning about her. If you've actually been listening to what she's been saying, you'd know she's went out of her way to thank Bernie supporters for believing her when everyone else was throwing her under the bus and calling her a bot:
You might want to take your own advice and listen to the victim, buddy.
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I'm talking about generally raising our expectations because these low expectations are literally going to kill us. Literally.
Bernie and M4A isn't the point. Even if bernie won, we'd still need to organize, strike, and protest to get what we need, and we're going to definitely need it even more with trump or biden. The important thing is to actually push to do better than people like Biden.
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Sure there are people smearing her, there are tons of shit people in the Democratic party but how do we not know there are not people capitalizing already on a divide in the Democratic party caused by a guy who continuously stays in a race he already lost twice now.
If it's as you say it is though and it comes down to the battle of the selfish people only want their best interest to win, I still point to Trump's handling of this pandemic on a daily basis as to reason enough to put everything aside and just ram Biden through the election process and get this idiot out of power.
The American people don't agree with you though. Like it's not just poll projections at this point and wondering the what if's. Reality voted and Bernie lost. The dream is dead until someone like AOC could run. Meanwhile people are dying right now, and once that Apex hits and thousands more die due to Trumps incompetence it's only going to cement Biden as the sure fire chosen one. With every day that passes, as this virus spreads and Americans die for something that could have been handled by any person better, the case for Biden grows. Shit I fucking hate Hillary but she would have handled this much better. with less deaths. Anyone would have. We need a leader.
Please explain, how do you plan to do this?
"put everything aside"......
Gee, what could that possibly mean?🤔
What a tremendous amount of empathy you have for the victim.
A vote missing for Biden is a vote for trump. If you fail to vote for Biden, trump's chances of winning are larger. If you don't vote for Biden, there's a fucking great chance you're voting against immigrants, LGBTQIA, and every single poor person.
Biden's history is horrifying, but he's not trump and he will sign the bills on his desk.
Any other year. Any other year, I'd say that the moral stance is the correct one. But we need to be pragmatic. The system sucks and must be fixed, but that process isn't started by voting downballot and letting the most dangerous twat in history back into that chair.
Biden's history is horrifying, but he's not trump and he will sign the bills on his desk.
Any other year. Any other year, I'd say that the moral stance is the correct one. But we need to be pragmatic. The system sucks and must be fixed, but that process isn't started by voting downballot and letting the most dangerous twat in history back into that chair.
We are going to have thousands of people dying.....thousands. The man is punishing blue states as if this is all a game during this pandemic. Sometimes we have to make an uncomfortable choice. To me there is no other option. Not when this idiot is incompetently leading this country to a slow death that is going to spike in 20 days.
It's both sad and hilarious that this the constant mantra of a certain group.
Yeah, the system will be fixed by repeating the same thought processes as before!
This system will never be fixed if moderate and Swing voters continue to vote for Neo liberals and giving a reason for the Republican party to exist.
We've dealt with Nixon, Reagan, Bush and now Trump. This is not going to end with Trump
I really have a lot of empathy for victims of abuse who feel like they can't vote for Biden.
However, takes like this are so hard to understand. You say anyone pushing the lesser of two evil argument has their head in the sand, but do you understand the pieces of legislation that could be decided on by or changed with conservative courts? Do you understand how another conservative judge appointed by Trump could affect the country for decades to come? Do you understand how it could affect the lives of the some of the already extremely vulnerable minorities? Do you understand how it could the lives of women? Do you understand how it could affect the lives of poor people?
Honest questions. Do you understand?
I'm not convinced many things would get better with Biden either. A lot of things would continue to decline too. But the reality is that there's plenty of room for a lot of things to be actively made way worse.
Not an American, but from the ME. If voting for Biden gets rid of Trump, which means we get back to JCPOA, lift sanctions on Iran that have been killing hundreds due to medical shortages, end the Yemeni genocide, continue Obama's Iraq policy of withdrawal and follows same policy in Palestine rather than Trump's, then I'm all for it. When the choices are between a bastard or the spawn of satan I'll take the bastard.
Yeah, right now this isn't even really about the victim it's about anti-Biden. Bernie fans will use it to try to bolster Bernie, and the right will use it because they know Biden is more dangerous in the general. It's all gonna be politics, like it always is.
Very likely.
Nigga, I don't have to explain anything to anybody.
and Biden pragmatists will dismiss the allegations by smearing the victim and calling her a bot.
Politicking aside, out of the three mentioned above, which is worse in their actions?
Accusing people that want Trump out of office because he is a danger to human existence as the same people who.are smearing Reade as a Russian bot when the smearing on Twitter is probably being done by....Russian bots. I mean it's not like we don't have a history of this happening since last election cycle.
The president isnt a king. What real change is going to be brought about by a president that doesnt win the senate and doesnt want to get rid of the filibuster?
Do you not think efforts coming from local, state, and congressional reps are not worthwhile? We're running out of time but you're not going to do everything in your power to remove blockers for their efforts?
Biden is still better than Trump. But I really think you have to respect that not everyone is going to be okay with voting for a potential sexual abuser accusing them of aiding trump is some terrible logic when in that voters eyes they are just standing up for what they believe in "being against sexual harassment".
I expect better from the democrat party, but here we are.
I expect better from the democrat party, but here we are.
They've already been smearing the victim all over the web, lol.
It's shameless, blue MAGA shit.
Lol...stop
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That's the thing. It's not 'could be worse' for some people. It's already a present state of facts. Whether they know it or not, they or somebody close to them re already suffering the effects of a Republican presidency.
...there are people in this very thread implying she is a Russian asset, unless you're saying there are bots on this forum.
I'm not sure under which scenario the Republican Party would stop existing. It's a two party system. They're here to stay, no matter what.
Moderate voters and swing voters will either vote for what you call a neoliberal or for a republican. 2018 showed as much. The difference is; those neoliberals are still likely to back anti-gerrymandering and other voting rights legislation while republicans will happily throw it in the trash. They'll still vote to confirm RBG-like judges to the judiciary while Republicans won't.
The only chance you have at fixing the system is tweaking the margins and using bottom-up methods to set a progressive infrastructure in place to counter the infrastructure the GOP has spent decades building. Neither Sanders nor Biden is directly connected to that process.
Which is worse out of awful behavior in general? I mean we've seen this playbook too many times recently. Someone makes an allegation and becomes a political pawn. I have no clue if she's telling the truth, and neither do you. What's sad is that people are going to choose to believe her more based on political ideology than any kind of real empathy.
The way I see it, we still have another candidate who has a strong base of support, popular policies, and does well against Trump head to head (especially when you look at pre ST polls and take out the conflation of electability). And he does not have this scandal affecting him. So the tide can be turned if the public will was there, but most of the public already sees Biden as inevitable, and so we have to play mental gymnastics on justifying our vote for him.
"Some people are believing her for the wrong reasons, therefore...."
Where are you going with that line of thinking?
True, but it's definitely not going to end if you reelect trump.
We have a bad choice to make. We still need to make it.
The thought process of before is the one that made voters stay home and got trump elected. I'm advocating for a different way of thinking.
Unless you honestly think witholding your vote is going to return a different result.
I can't personally advocate that anyone vote for someone who's been accused of rape or sexual assault, even if I think that voting for them would be good and that the consequences would ultimately be a net good. There are some decisions people need to make for themselves.
At the end of the day there is no morally or electorally great outcome here.
At the end of the day there is no morally or electorally great outcome here.
I had a similar thought about that stuff but it's better to let people be as you won't change their mind even if it's out of you being tired about these last couple of years, and not wanting 4 more of that Hell.
But at the same time these people believe that no matter what, they just can't vote for Biden because of what he might have done. Understandable.
You just have to work harder and try to get more people to vote in November so that Trump ends up defeated.
Just how it goes.
Joe Biden being a sexual abuser is the least surprising thing in the world. That gif of the dog trying so hard not to eat that plate of cupcakes in front of him, that's Joe Biden whenever he's posing with girls and women. Except Joe's so fucked up he can't even help himself and needs to get at least some light touching or sniffing in during his window of opportunity.
what about sexual assault victims who don't want to vote for Biden? Are you telling them to suck it up?
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