so sick of watching self appointed holier-than-thou woke allies in these threads just eating up and regurgitating republican talking points
you're not fooling anyone, racists.
you're not fooling anyone, racists.
NY Post cover on Ilhan and 9/11 sparks chaos on twitter
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thinking critically about words and language is tough. news media need to target the lowest common denominator audience who don't have those skills
its the worst
its the worst
You're surprised a politician is playing games? Cortez has shown beyond everything else she's shrewd as fuck, and isn't afraid of going for a gut punch.
Because the terrorists where muslim jihadists, every muslim in America had to pay the price for the crime with their civil rights.
Kind of like how Japanese-Americans lost civil rights for the actions of Imperial Japan.
9/11 was terrorism, however a connection was made to a broader religious (instead of geopoltical) ideology which was weaponized to demonize Muslims and to reduce civil liberties as a whole just because "some people did some thing"
the generalization is important to the point because it better contextualizes what the response of American society was at the time aka to demonize an entire religion and reduce civil liberties because "some people did some things"
In that context what the people did is irrelevant
Thanks for the link.
I just wanna say "fuck you" to every moron that decided Dan Crenshaw was on of the "good" Republicans, especially the people at SNL that invited him on their show because he got his feelings hurt by some extremely mild jokes. Absolutely disgusting.
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You know exactly what people are doing when they say Ilhan Omar did not show enough outrage about 9/11 and was not aggressive enough with her words describing the people who committed terror acts on 9/11
I can smell the BS a mile away
I can smell the BS a mile away
Let's face it, the only reason she has a target on her back is because they want her dead. Anything she says or does is going to be justification for them. Same goes for AOC.
On that note why haven't all Muslims added in a 6th daily prayer where they collectively face towards Ground Zero for repentance? Like it's the least they could do
The "everyone" talking about this are not acting in good faith. Stop making excuses for them.
Ilhan's "problem" is that she tends to speak very informally and un-politician like. If you're in politician mode, you would never bring up 9/11 in this context without paying respect. But, even though I assume this was a prepared speech she planned for, Ilhan is still speaking in a rather relaxed way, even though she's speaking on a subject matter that is obviously very important to her.
I actually sort of love how she always speaks in this rather off-the-cuff way, but it's going to continue to get her into situations like this.
I actually sort of love how she always speaks in this rather off-the-cuff way, but it's going to continue to get her into situations like this.
Republicans (and some people in this thread too) should publish a handbook stating which phrases are OK to use in interviews, and the acceptable terms for different events throught world history. Maybe then, once everyone's speech is adequate enough for their delicate and refined sensibilities, they will start paying attention to the actual content of the message for once, hopefully understanding the meaning of it.
But I guess it's easier to discredit something because you don't like or understand how it was written than use real arguments to explain why it's incorrect. The latter would require engaging in a good-faith discussion, which clearly is not what politics is about.
But I guess it's easier to discredit something because you don't like or understand how it was written than use real arguments to explain why it's incorrect. The latter would require engaging in a good-faith discussion, which clearly is not what politics is about.
The NY Post is scum. Describing 9/11 as "some people did something" is political insanity.
We all know what she meant, but why in the world would you ever use those words? Talk about scoring an own goal, the Repubs will be playing that on loop during the next election. It's on the same level as Romney's 47% quote that sank his campaign.
We all know what she meant, but why in the world would you ever use those words? Talk about scoring an own goal, the Repubs will be playing that on loop during the next election. It's on the same level as Romney's 47% quote that sank his campaign.
And how many have died to white domestic terrorism since 9/11? And how many Republicans admit that white domestic terrorism even exists?
Your fucking president didn't just stop at calling Neo Nazis "some people", he actively went above and beyond and called them "very fine people". I'll pull up a chair and wait for Republicans to call this shit out first.
Your fucking president didn't just stop at calling Neo Nazis "some people", he actively went above and beyond and called them "very fine people". I'll pull up a chair and wait for Republicans to call this shit out first.
Eh, not particularly. Osama Bin Laden was specifically angry at Saudi wahabbism actually.
Saudi Arabia still blows though.
I'm 100% on her side, which is why I feel like I have to speak honestly: Rep. Ilhan made a slightly poor choice of words, and now that's being leveraged against her in a racist hate campaign.
Acknowledging that the choice of words was slightly poor isn't coming from hate or bigotry, it's coming from a belief that it's wrong to ignore mistakes made by friends because we're on the same side. That's what the other side does.
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Yes democrats should condemn her for not using the words terror when describing 9/11. It doesn't matter if she described it as terrorism a minute before she needed to drape herself with a flag while describing it
And these are examples of some of the vets that were deployed to "protect" the middle east. Lmao
This is the unfortunate truth. Either kill her or scare her enough to silence her forever.
She should rethink how she approaches topics on Twitter. Being PC works both ways. We know 9/11 is a terrorist attack and an atrocity but you have got to phrase it properly than saying it's "some people, did some things" She isn't in a bar, trying to make a point.
This tactic is fucking morbid. The narrative she is presenting, and trying to convey condemns the people this shit rag supports. Instead of trying to defend themselves they pick out the few words that can be twisted and try to change the entire narrative so now the story is about how Omar thinks little of 9/11 victims instead of racism against muslims..........and the entire reason why it works is BECAUSE OF RACISM AGAINST MUSLIMS. FUCK.
How about none of this matters rat's lick. If her party gave a shit, they would co-ordinate a retraction and response, rather than leaving Omar's few stalwarts to do the gruntwork. History has context, and Omar is a marked woman,
How are those things even remotely comparable? No matter what context you put it in, Romney's meaning was clear. She's going to get shit for this JUST because she's Muslim. Nobody would have batted an eye if anyone else said it in that context.
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Like..I'm sure most people on Resetera understand her intent. She is not handwaving what happened, but is saying that some people(In this case, terrorists) managed to co-opt how Muslims are viewed in America. But it is the choice of words, that are letting people on the right co-opt what she said. This is a soundbite that will be used ad infinitum from now on. Ilhan should know that she is the target of the right, even more so than AOC. When she chooses her words, they should be chosen to be ironclad...she shouldn't have to, but as a politician, it is the game that is played, and she has a massive target on her compared to any other politician.
Yeah politically speaking it was worded horribly. Given the other incorrect info in the statement, I'm going to assume it wasn't a prepared speech. I can imagine her fellow dems heads exploded when they heard it, and likewise her republican colleagues most likely cheered.
Yep, and we have plenty of examples of that happening. The people claiming to be on her side* (*buuuuut...) think they're being slick, but you can easily guess their intent by looking at their post history lol.
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The utter lack of context and nuance in Sen. Omar's commentary accurately reflects the amount of consideration and thoughtfulness with which the Bush administration responded to the attacks. One need only point to starting the war in Iraq at how little the administration actually cared about what the reality of the situation was, not to even get into the fact that all this time Saudi Arabia has been considered one of our allies despite having been the country of citizenship for the vast majority of the people who actually committed the acts in discussion here.
The utter lack of context and nuance in Sen. Omar's commentary accurately reflects the amount of consideration and thoughtfulness with which the Bush administration responded to the attacks. One need only point to starting the war in Iraq at how little the administration actually cared about what the reality of the situation was, not to even get into the fact that all this time Saudi Arabia has been considered one of our allies despite having been the country of citizenship for the vast majority of the people who actually committed the acts in discussion here.
Disagree. 9/11, as well as other topics such as Jews and Israel are untouchable topics in America.
She made the mistake of talking about both.
How is 9/11 untouchable? We literally talk about it every year on its anniversary
This is a "bad look" for Ilhan Omar in the same way that this was a "bad look" for Obama and deserves about as much respect from us.
So she shouldn't have talked about the reason why Muslims are getting shit on in American society? She should just pretend it's not happening?
This is a "bad look" for Ilhan Omar in the same way that this was a "bad look" for Obama and deserves about as much respect from us.
Politically speaking Obama should have known better. I'm 100% with him but as an ally I gently want him to be better than this
A Muslim woman shouldn't be allowed to talk about how American Muslims suffered from association-by-faith in the years following 9/11?
Yep. That's the point that especially pisses me off about these "sHe ShOuLd'Ve PhRaSeD iT bEtTeR" posts.
Na it isn't the same. What a weird comparison.This is a "bad look" for Ilhan Omar in the same way that this was a "bad look" for Obama and deserves about as much respect from us.
The extended text passage isn't more "context", it's just that, a slightly larger text passage. Watch the video of her speech, pay attention to what the event was and what she's talking about. The comments about "pointing out her mistake because we care" are embarrassing and cringeworthy as fuck but please continue falling for the same tired, anti-black, anti-muslim, anti-women narrative.
Their are no good republicans because the modern republican party is a white supremacist organization and should be classified as such.
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Some folks : "she really needs to talk about 9/11 like a real American or a right winger might hurt her .?its so idiotic of her to not be clear as to what she means because she needs to show her loyalty and don't get me started on the rag on her head "