At least lee is old enough to fight these allegations as opposed to liars shitting on him post mortem
Defending your legacy is important and that seems to be the tone from his lawyers
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NY Daily News: Stan Lee sued for sexual misconduct by massage therapist
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Defending your legacy is important and that seems to be the tone from his lawyers
Well, to be fair, he's not being accused of some sort of strenuous physical activity. He's being accused of fondling himself while a nurse is present and "taking a nurses foot and place it near his genitals." If he's physically able to attend a con and sign autographs, he's physically capable of those things.
Given your point is purely a hypothetical argument, there's no point in me attempting to continue this discussion.
I have no horse in this race, I neither read comics nor watch the movies. I just thought that was a weird comparison to use.
The amount of weird stories surrounding Stan Lee, people trying to take advantage of him, and stuff like that makes it hard to take any recent news seriously.
Even if true, I'm not going to let anything a 90+ year old says or does retroactively affect their legacy in my mind other than some crazy deathbed revelation/confessional. 90+year olds do unfortunate things that they wouldn't have done at 80. Anyone working with folks of that age are aware of that and make modifications to care.
OK, appreciate the clarification regarding the 'exodus'. I get people might be skeptical based on recent reports, but I also don't think it's fair for some people to suggest the victim is just looking for a cashout.
If we assume it is true; in what conceivable way could this ever be proven? Barring some sort of security footage of the incident how would you be able to?
The guy literally just had to be held up on the Infinity War red carpet. Can barely stand up. Like, he does not fit the sexual predator bill that society expects, independent of the veracity of these claims.
Stan lee has 90 years clean record, he just had someone steal his fucking blood for cash, and everyone trying to abuse him til he kicks the bucket
He has Earned the benefit of the doubt
does anyone disagree?
It's more than fair to suggest, since it's a civil suit seeking monetary damages -- it's at least as fair as taking her claims at face value.
Of course you can't. The most desired likely outcome is not a trial but a settlement -- ask any civil attorney and they'll tell you raising hell about it in the press is part of the strategy.
It is entirely possible that he did something. Fame, health and age cannot possibly negate this. We can't dismiss the allegations out of hand.
It's also entirely possible that people are willing to take advantage of him by exaggerating or fabricating information, given all the legal complications that specifically involve his family and support staff. We can't dismiss this either.
It's also entirely possible that people are willing to take advantage of him by exaggerating or fabricating information, given all the legal complications that specifically involve his family and support staff. We can't dismiss this either.
The article states that he rubbed his genitals and moaned. It's not crazy to think a 90 year old is capable of this. Also, is this accuser the same as the previous one as you suggest? If so, I wasn't aware of that.
This is kind of why Im somewhat skeptical about this.
Like unless Im misunderstanding this, she didnt file a police report and is instead taking this to court? It just makes me skeptical.
If he did do it that really sucks, but I dont like taking things people say a face value.
Believe the victim ≠Punish the accused
It's not worth splitting hairs when it comes to helping people who may be hurting, which is why you always treat the victim as truthful and give them support. However that doesn't automatically mean you also assume the accused is guilty, that person deserves due process and consideration before you destroy their career and reputation.
I dont know the guy, I'm not saying whether he's innocent or guilty either way, I'm just pointing out that this mental distinction is important and people sometimes forget it while trying to do right by the victim.
Do you need to wait for a court to make a personal judgement? No, but for example when it's a single accusation from the daily news, you may decide to wait and see before throwing out your signed comics.
And people had a lot more reasons for leaving the old site, too. Tensions had been high for at least a couple years already, multiple other instances had already been swept under the rug and that one was just the final straw that broke the camel's back. I won't go in depth because that's not really the topic at hand.
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Nah man, not just one, but multiple ones. You just don't know about them.
My grandfather is approaching 100, he's still pretty fully mentally sound.
Still drives his own car amazingly.
Even if he did it he is very old and in bad health, It's not like he is 25 years old,a boss, or a Harvey Winsteine type.
Not everyone is like your grandfather.
For a dude I've long respected as one of the greatest spokespeople for the comics industry, ever, the last few months of coverage have been very rough.
I don't want to cast doubt on accusers, or make light of the seriousness of these kinds of allegations any more than I want to get into the deep weeds of Stan Lee's mundane work relationships that people like to enlarge to the proportions of the characters and situations he used to write about.
Very unfortunate way for anyone to live the final chapter of their lives. Real life is messy and irresolute, but I don't what side to take anymore. I wish I did, but I just can't do anything but sit and watch with a very heavy heart.
I don't want to cast doubt on accusers, or make light of the seriousness of these kinds of allegations any more than I want to get into the deep weeds of Stan Lee's mundane work relationships that people like to enlarge to the proportions of the characters and situations he used to write about.
Very unfortunate way for anyone to live the final chapter of their lives. Real life is messy and irresolute, but I don't what side to take anymore. I wish I did, but I just can't do anything but sit and watch with a very heavy heart.
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I find that hard to believe, but if so he is definitely one of the lucky ones because old age is a mean bitch to the human body.
Alzheimers, Blindness, and Dementia along with being senile makes most elderly folk over the age of 80 basically vegetables (seriously going into a nursing home is a harrowing experience).
Best part about leaving that place is proving we're willing to leave Reset in a heartbeat, too, if they pull that same nonsense. Things are better here so far. Hope it stays that way.
Except the mobile site. It's bad. GAF has a much nicer one.
I mean his reactions are slower, he walks slow, but metally he's pretty strong. He can still tell me stories from his childhood.
I've worked with a lot of 80+ year old people, and some of them are very sharp. On the other hand, I've worked with people in their fiftees and sixtees who are barely functional. It really depends sometimes.
lmao what does this mean?
"Just gimme a peek baby, I got that gout you know".
I'm totally on board with this. My comments have been more on the side of the victim because many of the early comments seemed to write her off which didn't sit well with me.
Also, many have pointed out that I oversimplified the GAF situation. I accept that I mischaracterized that situation.
I'll just quote myself from an older thread regarding proof, belief, and the idea of "innocent until proven guilty":
Very true, its just that Ive worked with a lot of senior citzens in nursing homes and its just rare to get someone over 80 who is still conscious of their surroundings.
Definitely, but thats why its good to have your own mind made up on these issues instead of seeking the validation of others.
I'm not saying he should be allowed to continue said action but it can be explained if true which i dobut. Ie Stan Lee isn't doing this because he is a sick creep.
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when did this person supposedly ask stan lee for money? wondering if the guy he is suing might have something to do with this. i wouldn't put it past him since this guy has been trying to fuck over stan lee for his money for quite a while. not saying he didn't do it but i guess i'm gonna just let this play itself out and not really take a hard stance.
let's just leave the baggage at that forum behind
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No one needs to jump to rash decisions and claim that Stan is innocent and the woman is a liar or vice versa. We don't need to choose sides when it's this early and little evidence has come out to help confirm or deny the allegations.
It's not necessary to always pick a side, and in a lot of cases, it makes sense to hear as many facts as physically possible before making any real judgements.
It's not necessary to always pick a side, and in a lot of cases, it makes sense to hear as many facts as physically possible before making any real judgements.
You guys seem to know all this stuff about Stan Lee as a person and his past that makes it hard for you to believe these allegations. What do you know about this woman's past that would make you not believe her? Knowing a lot about a famous person does not mean you know that person. Pretend this is a normal woman who accused a normal old man of turning a massage into something sexual. Pretend you dont know who he is. What are your grounds for not believing her?
Don't buy it. This is the same accuser who straight up asked for money first. And when she didn't get it, sells the story to another rag three days before Infinity War.
Show proof and we'll talk. Right now it feels like opportunism.
Show proof and we'll talk. Right now it feels like opportunism.
A month ago people were telling Stan lee how to spell his name for an autograph. I'm going to let this play out.
This is a complicated situation because, well, the man has been getting sucked dry when it comes to the money he has left. I"m not saying that because of the heroes he's created, I couldn't give less of a shit what his art is if he has mistreated women but it does make me doubt the fact that people have been fighting over his money for a long time now. Lets see where the story goes before jumping to conclusions, which is impossible for us at the moment considering the circumstances.
And once again, I am not doubting this story because of Stan Lee being Stan Lee. If one of my personal idols like Neil Gaiman or Ken Levine got accused of something like this I would turn on them very fast, but this story is different.
And once again, I am not doubting this story because of Stan Lee being Stan Lee. If one of my personal idols like Neil Gaiman or Ken Levine got accused of something like this I would turn on them very fast, but this story is different.
No, because the actual facts change the situation. He's not a normal old man. He's a rich and famous figurehead of Marvel with an active history of being exploited. I'm not going to invent a whole new hypothetical to condemn Stan Lee.
I did not need this image in my head...This is beyond disgusting. Guy is 95 years old and he does this crap?
Him being famous is exactly why this would be so hard for a woman to come forth with an allegation like this. I can only imagine the horrific death threats she's already recieiving. He's an old rich man in a position of power and fame. What part about that makes that makes you doubt her? Again without all the facts who can say, but if she is telling the truth it's an incredibly courageous act given the abuse she is bound to suffer at the hands of internet mobs and actual real life psychos.
