MS might be the most impressive even if technically they finished just a tad below the other two in units sold.
XBox brand is still quite strong in the US and XBox One X has really turned things around for them.
Surprised that PS4 units were higher than Ninty in the year Smash released!
Almost all big games see discounts this time of year, it's nothing new and not necessarily a sign of the games performance. Even #1 on the list is on sale for $30-$40 at multiple places right now. Happens every year.Price promotions are working wonders for BFV
Its launch was really muted but has since legged pretty well considering the soft launch thanks to deep discounts.
Still not a good thing for EA overall as they are having to resort to driving down prices to move units but it's not quite the disaster it could have been looking at just pre-orders / launch sales
Here is the full hardware ranking by unit sales for anyone interested.
1. PS4
2. Switch
3. XB1
4. 3DS
5. Soulja Game Console
So a few thoughts
This month is pretty incredible in terms of how close all 3 are. Xbox seriously over performed in terms of expectations
Spyro is going phenomenal
Combined November + December is going to see the PS4 down quite significantly YoY in terms of holiday performance. Sony prioritized profit over units but its still going to be quite a drop.
Any questions?
Are those the only other platforms Nintendo has produced besides Switch? What I asked about was literally quoted.
You said amazing turn around from last gen for Nintendo.I know the market essentially ignored the wii U but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. That's also ignoring the 3DS. Not sure what you mean lol.
It's not literally impossible, of course. But it's super unlikely. A 2.5m December has only been achieved twice, once by PS2 and once by Wii. Switch is not as popular as either of those machines.I think at this point sub 1 million is pretty likely. 2.5 million for switch would be best case scenario IMO but not necessarily impossible.
Roughly, current 3DS + Switch revenue in the Americas is about 2.25x what 3DS+Wii U revenue was (approximately) launch-aligned. It's about half what DS+Wii revenue was in a comparable timeframe. Relative margins are bigger now (undoubtedly drive by high-margin amiibo, mobile, and eShop earnings).Used to sell when?
Switch is surely healtier than 3DS and WiiU combined in US.
The gap is ~666k, not 800k as has been said a couple times in the thread.How many units is the PS4 up so far this year? I know we expect Switch will easily take December, but based on Mat's comments maybe Dec is closer than expected, or the gap is larger than expected.
I could mention that Let's Go absolutely does not have sales "nowhere near where [Pokemon] usually is". Or that, yes, having the highest-selling exclusive game of all time could pretty much make a year just by itself (especially since Switch will only pass PS4 in the month of that game's release). But there's a larger point to make besides these errors.It was evident from the onset that this Pokemon, regardless of the quality, was not for the hardcore Pokemon crowd. The hype for Pokemon was absolutely nowhere near where it usually is. This was clear by its sales.
Smash alone does not a year make.
Sony's hype machine was in full force with GoW, Spider-Man, Read Dead, Black Ops 4.
Switch doing as well as it has thus far is way more impressive, easily.
Oh wow, Pokemon ia only just beginning to unlock its full potential now that its being sold for 60 dollarsIt's by revenue, and Pokemon Stadium launched at something like $80 due to the Transfer Pak.
Ummm I mean the switch doesn't even have those titles to begin with so you wouldn't really know if First party will outsell the third party...
Exactly.When was the last time we saw third party strong on a Nintendo platform where it got all the big multiplatform titles? SNES? NES?
Phil looks so high, actually he always looks stoned in every meeting/preso lol
GameCube?When was the last time we saw third party strong on a Nintendo platform where it got all the big multiplatform titles? SNES? NES?
GameCube got a good amount but missed out on a lot
Almost all big games see discounts this time of year, it's nothing new and not necessarily a sign of the games performance. Even #1 on the list is on sale for $30-$40 at multiple places right now. Happens every year.
Yes. Hitman 2 also.BFV along with Fallout 76 saw steeper, faster, and more widespread price promotions than typical this time of year for a brand new release.
Also yeah, if Activision hasnt already green lit a new entry Spyro game than I'm sure it's something they will be doing soon
Oh yeah? And what's the "typical" timeframe?BFV along with Fallout 76 saw steeper, faster, and more widespread price promotions than typical this time of year for a brand new release.
Oh cool, thanks!
Sarcasm? A pre-planned promotional discount to $40 at 1 or 2 retailers is common after a few weeks. Rampant discounting to $30 within a week or two is something else. Consider BF1. It didn't get to $36 on PSN until 3 months after release. BFV is $30 on PSN already, 1 month after release. It was $36 for the last two weeks. BF1 didn't hit $30 on PSN until 4 months after release.
Cool. A sale isn't a price drop. There's a difference.A game that is selling well doesn't usually get a 50% price cut within a week regardless of season.
$15 - $20 would be your typical drop if there is a discount that quickly for BF. $30 is not something that should be happening that rapidly
Eh, I think Switch has 2018 locked down for unit sales in 2018.
Fallout doing "good" at retail. Would not be surprised if digital is +50%.
Spyro did insane to franchise history.
Also hardware sales were incredible this year. Xbox really did insane numbers. It had its second best November, only falling behind the One X launch month.
I see you're the arguing in bad faith sort. For someone so interested in release dates, you'd surely be aware this years CoD launched much earlier than normal, so it being discounted at Black Friday 5 weeks after release really isn't unusual, and it hasn't gone as cheap as BFV which launched a month after it.Cool. A sale isn't a price drop. There's a difference.
Black Ops 4 was also $30-$40 during the Thanksgiving time period. That shouldn't have happened, right?
And as dumb as it is, BFV had multiple release dates. Which one are you basing your claim on?
Tbh I agree. I thought that Xbox One would have a steeper decline YoY considering it was going against the X launch last year but it over performed imo
Mat's tweet earlier says it's a lot closer than people are stating. It should come down to the wire.
Cool. A sale isn't a price drop. There's a difference.
Black Ops 4 was also $30-$40 during the Thanksgiving time period. That shouldn't have happened, right?
And as dumb as it is, BFV had multiple release dates. Which one are you basing your claim on?
Sarcasm? A pre-planned promotional discount to $40 at 1 or 2 retailers is common after a few weeks. Rampant discounting to $30 within a week or two is something else. Consider BF1. It didn't get to $36 on PSN until 3 months after release. BFV is $30 on PSN already, 1 month after release. It was $36 for the last two weeks. BF1 didn't hit $30 on PSN until 4 months after release.
Cool. But what about physical sales? BF1 was still $30 on Black Friday last year. PSN isn't an accurate indicator of sales. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/battlefield-1-black-friday-2017-deals-all-the-sale/1100-6455093/I see you're the arguing in bad faith sort. For someone so interested in release dates, you'd surely be aware this years CoD launched much earlier than normal, so it being discounted at Black Friday 5 weeks after release really isn't unusual, and it hasn't gone as cheap as BFV which launched a month after it.
The game has had consistent sales since it released with deep discounts. It hasn't just been one week or so or black Friday. It's hard to believe you're arguing the game has seen regular price promotion thus far. It has been anything but.
Even if the switch wins by a few hundred thousand units that's still close. Also does Mat get up to date data during the month or just data after the fact? I don't think we can really read too much into December numbers from that tweet.
CoD hasn't gone cheaper than $48 on PSN. BFV came out a month later and has already been $36 then $30 for several weeks. Look, either you're willing to accept reality or you aren't. Consider Hitman 2 also. We saw sales were down in UK massively and it was $30 here promptly after release. What a surprise, it didn't make the top 20. Let me guess, all perfectly normal you'll say?Cool. But what about physical sales? BF1 was still $30 on Black Friday last year. PSN isn't an accurate indicator of sales. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/battlefield-1-black-friday-2017-deals-all-the-sale/1100-6455093/
And yes, Black Ops 4 actually has gone as cheap as BFV and been on sale for $30. As recently as 5 days ago: https://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/369020-black-ops-4-best-buy-2999/?hl=+black
Nah. It's pretty easy. Pretty much all big games are on sale consistently this time of year, every year.
Um you realize Mat works for the NPD right? Lol I'm not arguing that Switch is going to win December, however we've had people in here unironically state the Switch is going to sell almost a million units over the PS4 before Mat tweeted that the sales between Switch and PS4 are a lot closer than everyone was expecting. So it's going to be a photo finish.
Why are you using PSN as the universal indicator?CoD hasn't gone cheaper than $48 on PSN. BFV came out a month later and has already been $36 then $30 for several weeks. Look, either you're willing to accept reality or you aren't. Consider Hitman 2 also. We saw sales were down in UK massively and it was $30 here promptly after release. What a surprise, it didn't make the top 20. Let me guess, all perfectly normal you'll say?
Even if the switch wins by a few hundred thousand units that's still close. Also does Mat get up to date data during the month or just data after the fact? I don't think we can really read too much into December numbers from that tweet.
Um you realize Mat works for the NPD right? Lol I'm not arguing that Switch is going to win December, however we've had people in here unironically state the Switch is going to sell almost a million units over the PS4 before Mat tweeted that the sales between Switch and PS4 are a lot closer than everyone was expecting. So it's going to be a photo finish.
Doing a million better is a completely possible estimation when we expect PS4 to be down YoY and Switch to be up because of Smash.Um you realize Mat works for the NPD right? Lol I'm not arguing that Switch is going to win December, however we've had people in here unironically state the Switch is going to sell almost a million units over the PS4 before Mat tweeted that the sales between Switch and PS4 are a lot closer than everyone was expecting. So it's going to be a photo finish.
Insert wellthereitis.gifI dont see any data until well after the month has closed. I didn't see the complete data for today's release until yesterday, for example.
It's not literally impossible, of course. But it's super unlikely. A 2.5m December has only been achieved twice, once by PS2 and once by Wii. Switch is not as popular as either of those machines.
Beating PS4 for the year wouldn't require a 2.5m December, though, and is much more likely.
Roughly, current 3DS + Switch revenue in the Americas is about 2.25x what 3DS+Wii U revenue was (approximately) launch-aligned. It's about half what DS+Wii revenue was in a comparable timeframe. Relative margins are bigger now (undoubtedly drive by high-margin amiibo, mobile, and eShop earnings).
The gap is ~666k, not 800k as has been said a couple times in the thread.
I could mention that Let's Go absolutely does not have sales "nowhere near where [Pokemon] usually is". Or that, yes, having the highest-selling exclusive game of all time could pretty much make a year just by itself (especially since Switch will only pass PS4 in the month of that game's release). But there's a larger point to make besides these errors.
Which is that no matter what the reasons for it, massive hardware numbers in year 5 are historically more difficult than massive numbers in year 2. Looking at the past two decades, there have been 3 year-two totals that meet or exceed what Switch will do. That's out of 9 machines (PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, 360, PS3, Wii, WiiU, XB1, PS4), or 33%. But how many fifth years were above PS4's 2018? That's only 1 (the 360), or about 11%.*
*If you add handhelds, then both Switch year two and PS4 year five are beaten by one more entry each (GBA and DS, respectively).
Doing a million better is a completely possible estimation when we expect PS4 to be down YoY and Switch to be up because of Smash.
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Oh of course, it's the closest after the PlayStation came out, but it's still not quite close enough, with how many major 3rd party titles it missed out on. Granted, the GameCube had other problems that hurt it as wellYeah, but it would be the only to get close since the SNES. Assuming we are ignoring handhelds.