No, Wii sales petered out as Nintendo prepared for the 3DS, while 360 got a boost from Kinect.
Why would you expect to see the Wii U and not....any other console?
NPD analyst Mat Piscatella “US Hardware install base 71 months in 1) Wii 2) PS2 3) PS4 4) Xbox 360 5) Xbox One 6) PS1 7) PS3 (Updated)
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This'll be the final ranking once both stop selling, sans Switch and next gen obviously
1. PS2
2. Xbox 360
3. Wii
4. PS4
5. Xbox One
6. PS1
7. PS3
Wii 71 months in is November 2006 - September 2012: ~39.8M
1. PS2
2. Xbox 360
3. Wii
4. PS4
5. Xbox One
6. PS1
7. PS3
Xbox 360 71 months in is November 2005 - September 2011: ~28.9M
Wii 71 months in is November 2006 - September 2012: ~39.8M
I've definitely noticed as time goes on, Xbox 360 is one of those consoles you still spot in people's homes 10 years later.
What a come down XB1 was from that kind of market proliferation.
What a come down XB1 was from that kind of market proliferation.
I had the same question until I noticed the 71 months qualifier, which is just under 6 years.
Number 5 is ps4? Huh I thought it was doing a lot better than that, thought it was almost as good as wii atleast
Xbox does do well in Brazil, I'm not sure if it does better than Playstation, but I'm wouldn't be surprised if it did. An Xbox One is generally cheaper than a PS4 nowadays, and when both of them released it wasn't even comparable, Xbox One was far cheaper back on release. Same thing for the Xbox 360.
Damn, MS really bungled things in their strongest region this gen
Why is this even remotely surprising??
Gears, Halo, better ports, call of duty deals, better online.
Microsoft killed it during the 360 days, which make their fuckup with the One all the more stupid.
I'm not from the US but it just seems so crazy today, no wonder Xbox One is seen as a failure, 360 was even ahead of the Wii :o
Worldwide Wii U sales are below the OG Xbox's US LTD. Wii U was a failure at only ~5.5M LTD in the US.
It shouldn't. PS3 ended at ~26.8M, XB1 will be over well over 27M this December.
Ah, yeah understandable then. It was huge, I have always been a Playstation guy first (Nintendo before that) and I still got a 360 before a PS3 because of how amazing it was and the line up was in comparison. Granted I had to replace mine 3 times with the Red Ring so I went right back to Playstation mid gen as my main box.
Edit: I should clarify since the 360 came out like a year before PS3 so obviously I got it first, but it was the first time I waited to get a Playstation at launch because the 360 was so damn good at the time. PS1/2/4/Pro all were purchased the day they came out, PS3 I waited damn near a year.
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More a gut feeling as I didn't have either number at hand. I mean, the general perception is that x1 is more or less a failure but in US it's really not that bad. What is the number of ps1?
The opposite - it was already dead at this point in it's lifetime.
I guess I was kind of thinking this was just for the last couple generations, but since he included PS1 on that list, I guess N64, Gamecube, XBOX OG and Wii U are all somewhere below XB1 sales too...SNES, Genesis and NES as well? Top 7 just seems like a kind of arbitrary number to cut the ranking off at.
Was that really Kinect related? I guess initially those Kinect bundles helped sell a lot more 360s, but I remember there being a sharp decline not too long after.
That was the beginning of the end after that initial Kinect burst, Microsoft really stopped supporting it like they did earlier in the generation at that point. I remember my 360 only friends constantly complaining that no good first party stuff came out the last few years of its life.
~30M is what I have. PS4 will pass it this month.
Without a doubt, yes.
Sales started to get really strong with the launch of the Slim in June 2010 and then exploded after Kinect in November 2010.
For a 71-month run, it was definitely helped by the year head-start on the PS3 and Wii and then cutting prices and revisions. Cynically, the RROD before the mass warranty replacements could also be a factor. I'd still like to know the numbers, if possible, of 360s bought after a RROD, warranty or not. I was a victim of the "just after that third year" failure, and I took good care of mine. I personally knew a lot of people who bought a second (or even third or fourth!) system because of the RROD.
Too bad they fucked it all up. At least Phil has given us some good stuff....but man, momentum was really stone walled.
NES should be above Xbox One and PS3. All other consoles in history are below Xbox One. I am guessing NPD doesn't have data from NES era and that is why it's missing.
Wow! I didn't know the Xbox 360 did that well within that timeframe and even over the WII!?. Assuming the 1 year headstart before PS3 released helped a ton with the obvious tradeoff of the RROD. Outside of the RROD the 360 deserved it, such a great revolutionary console that helped solidify the validity and legitimacy of online console gaming and definitely my fave of that generation.
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This is right
71 months in is just one month away from 7 years on the market. The Wii declined past 2011, so between Kinect launching and 2013 the 360 moved past it.
This is why the Switch isn't on the graph btw, it's on pace with the PS4 but is still in its 32nd month (so not even halfway to the 71 months mark)
RROD isn't a factor. Software sales and its The Ratio at heat time point to this not being the case, otherwise the 360 was breaking records at historical levels.
Didn't the X360 sell almost double what the PS3 did in the US? The PS3 eventually outselling the X360 is entirely off of the backs of the world outside of the US. The X1 being behind the PS3 in the US isn't that great considering what the PS3 numbers were in that region.
Wii and up all sold over 40M.
PS1 is just above 30M.
PS4 and XB1 will slot right between Wii and PS1.
Just shows how strong PS is WW. Xbox would not survive being outsold by 20 million in the US.
Oh cheers.
So PS4/XB1 are expected to both outsell the PS1? Actually now that I think about it didn't ZhugeEX tweet out US lifetime sales for current gen consoles at the end of 2018? Pretty sure both consoles were around that 30m mark but I could be remembering it all wrong. Either way that still lines up with what you said anyway at 30-40m lifetime sales.
Xbox is a strong brand in English speaking countries like USA and UK. I'm from the UK and the 360 outsold the Wii here too with the PS3 behind that. It seemed like everyone had the "Wii60" combo here last gen. Don't know many people who owned the PS3 and I can't recall numbers off the top of my head but I think it bombed quite hard here.
Meanwhile the OG Xbox isn't even on the list yet the PS2 is first, which quite clearly indicates there was much bigger than a 20m sales gap between the two. Your logic doesn't make any sense.
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It always takes me a few minutes to remember that these rankings are based on revenue and not on number of units sold, which makes the placement of the less expensive consoles more interesting in many ways
I'm assuming revenue isn't adjusted according to inflation or average wages, but does anyone know for sure?
Edit: Wait, Mat actually said "installed base" this time
Never mind me, then
I'm assuming revenue isn't adjusted according to inflation or average wages, but does anyone know for sure?
Edit: Wait, Mat actually said "installed base" this time
Never mind me, then
Better hardware, better games, better indie support, better online infrastructure.
I'm not seeing how it doesn't matter. It may have been in the several hundred thousand but a class action about a very serious issue that made headlines everywhere isn't a non-factor. The software ratio would actually be a bit inverted from expectations, if anything, because if a hypothetical sell-through of software versus systems were, say, 10:1 (which is only this low for simplicity) then the 360 could have potentially averaged to 8.5-9.5 with them all, possibly lower. It was that widespread. If you knew enough people at repair shops and game store and some sales positions and how often a RROD story came through you'd laugh. Before the major cooling system revamps happened, it was literally a matter of when, not if, as they failed after a fairly specific number of hours of sustained play.
Hell, a warranty survey showing a failure rate of 23.9% is not insignificant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
The start of that gen was crazy. The hype for Cell and the unlaunched PS3 made some believe the jump wasn't all that big, echoing the dumb Xbox 1.5 phrase and all that, it didn't help that everyone still had SDTV's or had the consoles connected with composite cables as well. :P It wasn't until Gears of War that people admitted being truly wowed by the box, it looked amazing even on a SDTV, and when PS3 had launched and most games looked and/or ran worse on PS3 the 360 finally managed to get some honest praise.