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Not happy with nuking out of Youtube all FE music, Nintendo hits GilvaSunner (copyright claims) and BrawlBRSTMs3 (terminated)
- Thread starter KoolAid
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Exactly. God, I really don't understand the mentality at all.
It doesn't bother me because I think it's legal and it turns out it isn't, it bothers me because IP law is archaic and absurd in the first place; and I'm not a fucking lawyer that works for Nintendo.
I do remember a few years back where Gilvasunner got in hot water with Nintendo over uploading the soundtrack to a Kirby remix CD that was released at the Kirby Cafes. It was a case where Nintendo could potentially lose money over it, but the CD in question was a limited edition thing that was only avaliable to purchase at Kirby Cafes, which was a Japan only promotional deal.
I would be happy if Nintendo could make the OST's for their games widely available through digial media outlets. It's not rocket science. :/
Probably will have to pay for these soundtracks, I would download the ones you like now before they're all gone from YouTube.
In the case of works that are unavailable through legal means, what solution do you have in mind that creates a distinction between the two?
Honestly, if this thread was about the takedown of abandonware, it would have been closed pages ago.
I can't speak for everyone, but I would drop some cash to purchase any of the OST's of Nintendo's game library on iTunes, Spotify, etc.
Really rude and ignorant post. Why is it so weird to you that some people might want to listen to the music even when they're not playing?
it wasnt meant to be rude.
just an observation that there is a legal way to listen to the music, which OP just blatantly ignores.
Yeah, you could also just go to a concert whenever you want to listen to music.
Surely you realize how silly you sound?
Just yet more evidence of how far behind the curve Nintendo are on nearly everything. They need to ditch this "toy company" mentality very badly.
I know you people want to ignore all reality to get your point across, and anyone disagreeing with you is just a corporate idiot shill anyway.
But fact is there are legal ways to listen to these songs.
If it were about games that cant be bought legally i could see the argument, but that is clearly not what this thread is about.
Anyway, gonna put yall on ignore, i have limited time and dont want to waste anymore on people that cant be reasoned with.
Read pretty much any thread on here regarding emulation, there's plenty of people asking about obscure games that only came out in Japan or Europe, or people asking what games they should play.
It's definitely not just people playing rips of their own games.
When it comes to old games or video game music then for lots on here apparently piracy is okay.
The option of not playing something or listening to something if they can't buy it or get it cheap apparently doesn't exist, they feel entitled to it.
Publishers have every tool in their disposal to automatically monetize Youtube music uploads, their own and fans'. If Nintendo hasn't done that, it's their own failing, not the fans'.
And I think game music can be a bit on the grey side of things since people have often bought the games they want to listen to music from so, in a way, they have paid for the work that composers have done and not pirating something without any contribution towards the composers & musicians' work. Plus a lot of game OSTs aren't available for purchase (especially Nintendo's, they are notoriously bad with game OST releases, either they don't release them at all or they were available at limited quantities for a limited time through one region's Nintendo Club thing, so basically not available for 90+% of humankind), so Youtube & such can be the only way to listen to those songs.
Lol at people saying to by the Three
Houses special edition (it's a select music CD, so it's not the whole OST) in order to listed to the OST of the game.
If the soundtracks were available wildly for purchase or streaming, people wouldn't have a problem with this. The problem is that most Nintendo games don't do this. They either release the OST in physical form only a year after the initial release (XB2) , or never at all.
I remember when Pokémon Sun and Moon's OST were released on iTunes. It was a Christmas miracle. Bought that up immediately. Still don't think the Ultra Sun and Moon ost is available though.
Houses special edition (it's a select music CD, so it's not the whole OST) in order to listed to the OST of the game.
If the soundtracks were available wildly for purchase or streaming, people wouldn't have a problem with this. The problem is that most Nintendo games don't do this. They either release the OST in physical form only a year after the initial release (XB2) , or never at all.
I remember when Pokémon Sun and Moon's OST were released on iTunes. It was a Christmas miracle. Bought that up immediately. Still don't think the Ultra Sun and Moon ost is available though.
Yeah. It seems that for most people if you can stream it - cheaply - it doesn't count and they're entitled to pirating.
We haven't had news of an official release for Three Houses OST because the game has story DLC on its way, which probably includes new music. If they released the OST now, ignoring the DLC, people would still complain.
As for XB2, it's the worst example you could have used, because the OST is available to buy on digital format since the moment it was published! You can buy it on Amazon, iTunes, Google.... or those, somehow, don't count to you?
I really hope those that complain about XC2's soundtrack put their money where their mouth is and buy it, considering it's available worldwide.
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Yep. The idea of 'I can't have this' doesn't seem to be an option for 'bbbbut preservation' types. If they can't have something (on a platform of their choice at a price they decide plus whatever other conditions they decide) it's 'unfair' and therefore stealing is fine to 'fix this injustice'.
Seriously backwards company sometimes. People need to pester them with the subject until they're forced to give a solution. They want complete control over the way the fans get to enjoy their products, whether it's banning music on YouTube or releasing the bare minimum legacy content, while not providing any alternatives, which is totally their right of course but totally nuts.
Don't you see, if our corporate overloards do not get to maximize their profits, you're an entitled little prick if you think you might want to listen to some track you liked from a game you paid for.
Good thing about threads like this is it attracts these people so it is easier to put them on ignore. Lot of overlap of these same users in other threads who cape for bullshit and pull this perpetual corporate apologism.
Do I deserve inefficient capitalism?
Next time, state your philosophical and moral viewpoint before accepting legality as the "be all, end all".
Remember, new laws actually get created.
That is a cool story, one that is unlikely to be possible even for the people posting in this thread.
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The people on "the other side" of an argument might very well feel and reason the same way regarding putting people on ignore. Yet another human-made filter bubble is created and everybody wins! /s
insufficient capitalism? lol.
It's fine being annoyed with Nintendo for not releasing more of their soundtracks, because a lot of their soundtracks are really awesome.
It's stupid, for being annoyed with Nintendo for taking their music off of youtube.
Again, you are not owed this music, and you are not owed the release of a soundtrack.
insufficient capitalism. goddamn. I'm going to be chuckling over that all morning, thank you.
Then lobby for new laws that allow copyrighted material to be free if it's not available for sale.
In the meantime, while you're working as a lobbyist for the people who previously made money from uploading stolen works, don't pirate. Play or listen to something else. You not having easy access to some game or music and not being able to play them until youn pay for them is not some great tragedy of 'inefficient capitalism'.
LMAO oh boohooooo.
I love how when people like you are called out for being entitled the only way you know how to deal with it is by pointing fingers and accusing others of just being corporate-capitalist-butt-kissers. Nah, you don't get away that easy. It's not like we don't want it free and easily available on a platform we all use(youtube). We just know we aren't entitled to it. Instead of complaining about how you can't pirate why not redirect that misaligned anger/whining and project it in a positive way by complaining to Nintendo and requesting a legal method of listening to your favorite tracks.
I'd really love to experience driving a Ferrari but I can't afford one or get one legally through other means, so I go without.
Why isn't going without ever an option?
it's always companies must provide everything you want or it's okay to pirate it.
How is your logic any better?
Nintendo don't make it available to buy so that means it's perfectly okay to pirate it because you want to listen to it?
They listen to it via an in-game sound test many games have. Or rip their own copy and extract the audio files (relatively easy for disc based consoles, cart consoles usually need ripping hardware). If the game is available, you can listen to the music.
Or they just don't listen to it. You can go without if the legal options are too much of a hassle for you.
The only reason some OSTs (especially from obscure games) still live on and are known is because of rips. Don't blame the fans for wanting to enjoy what they love if the companies can't provide. This is especially true for OSTs that are OOP. I've imported OSTs from Japan that I can't buy elsewhere for a game I love. They will show support if they want it. But completely erasing channels that provide them is the wrong way to go.
I do this all the time. But I wish Nintendo would offer OSTs more readily.
An essay coming right up...
There are multiple video game developers, each with different genres of music.
Each collection/album of music has differences allowing them to be sold as unique in an open market.
No reason not to try it first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition
This is a case of market failure (i.e. a mis-allocation of resources due to market processes), however important or not the product is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure
"Market failures can be viewed as scenarios where individuals' pursuit of pure self-interest leads to results that are not efficient– that can be improved upon from the societal point of view."
And btw, I own many Nintendo soundtracks on disc, such as: Super mario galaxy, 3D world, Mario kart 8 etc.
These specific soundtracks weren't even sold, but were only obtainable via Club Nintendo.
Some soundtracks for sale are only available in Japan, not worldwide. Some are limited sales only.
In these cases, capitalism can't even try to allocate them, let alone more obscure music.
Thing is, I don't even like capitalism much, but giving people a choice in this case, when music provision is easier than ever, seems right to me.
It provides free advertising too.
This is unlikely to happen as intellectual property would then become very hard to defend, probably too much work for the IP holder. A company would have to ensure that they monetise everything, in order to close off any gaps. Sources of content would be restricted even more than now. Derivative products would have to be shown to created only from an un-monetised IP, via some impossible sounding tracking mechanism.
Another (also really difficult) approach: a public request submission system could be setup, where cases of product/service provision could be judged as practical for the copyright holder, with anonymised evidence given. The government could assist with case building, if the company agrees. But even if it is 'practical', the company may not want to go ahead with providing said product/service. At least it would manage PR lol.
This is completely Youtube's fault (well, Google/Alphabet now). They could default to not allow monetisation before a video's content is checked, but that would remove all of the service's convenience, and would be really hard to perform in practise without a lot of false positives appearing. Youtube never would have grown to its current scale with a system like this in place.
We do need to fight to have this music available to us in some shape and form, not everyone has the luxury of being able to get Club Nintendo CDs or region exclusive soundtracks. I own a couple Nintendo CDs as well and I've always found it absurd at how backwards Nintendo has been in terms of making easily available content available for streaming or purchase.