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For how long will Nintendo drink our tears?

  • Until March 2020

    Votes: 1,043 53.8%
  • Until April 2020

    Votes: 207 10.7%
  • Until E3

    Votes: 244 12.6%
  • Forever (no more Directs)

    Votes: 444 22.9%

  • Total voters
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4CornersTHSA

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I agree with what a poster said in OT3, how the mods should set up a single account that multiple insiders could contribute to, so you guys don't have a target on your back constantly.

Agreed 100%, could allow for plausible deniability and share fun stuff with fans/enthusiasts.

Regardless, thank you to those that do share and hint, it makes the wait more (less?) bearable.
 

AllEchse

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Hype cautiously rising?
These days it feels like all 3rd party exclusives are just timed, and go to other consoles or atleaast PC after a while.
I mean look at Travis Strikes Again, Daemon X Machina, even Death Stranding comes to PC.
If there's an exclusivity deal with Sony I expect it to be timed only, because it feels like they only add fuel to the fire which they started with Joker in Smash and then Persona 5 Scramble.
People wouldn't craave for it as much if they hadn't put him there.
Maybe they want people to double dip?
They also seem to be done with most of the things they planned for shortly after Persona 5 as the only domains left are P5U (which is very likely Fighting game in the Persona Arena series) and P5AG (whatever that is).

No one, not even the most renowned insiders and journalists, has been able to prove there's a Persona deal with Sony. And even if there is, it's unlikely to be permanent.

We'll probably see Persona on Switch at some point, but it won't be until late in the system's lifecycle. Atlus is slow at adapting to new platforms.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.
 

Lelouch0612

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Persona 5 - 2 is coming to Switch this month in Japan. Pretty sure that if a deal existed, it was only on P5 (and P5R which builds on P5).
 

Bonejack

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You got it mixed up with Catherine

Possible. I think i wanted to throw that in there due to that but decided to stay with P5R and forgot that ...

Persona 5 - 2 is coming to Switch this month in Japan. Pretty sure that if a deal existed, it was only on P5 (and P5R which builds on P5).

I think that Scramble is releasing on Switch is more on KT than on any decision by Atlus or Sega. I think most that Atlus did was just not saying no to the Switch version.
 

Velezcora

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Jason responded below that tweet that he doesn't know for sure if there is an exclusivity deal. I seriously doubt there is. The new Persona 5S is positioned as a sequel and surely would be considered mainline and not be allowed to come to Switch if that was the case.

The simple reality is that Atlus is stupid when it comes to platforms. Sony isn't paying them to keep Persona exclusive to PS4. People aren't going to stop buying Playstation if Persona comes to Switch.
 

Zalman

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Jason responded below that tweet that he doesn't know for sure if there is an exclusivity deal. I seriously doubt there is. The new Persona 5S is positioned as a sequel and surely would be considered mainline and not be allowed to come to Switch if that was the case.

The simple reality is that Atlus is stupid when it comes to platforms. Sony isn't paying them to keep Persona exclusive to Switch. People aren't going to stop buying Playstation if Persona comes to Switch.
Yeah, this pretty much builds on my previous post. Atlus has historically made questionable platform decisions. This is just an extension of that.
 

trestres

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I think we may scratch MK 9 from our lists, and expect a slower pace for new releases, since Nintendo wants to focus on expanding the sales of already released games as much as they can:

"On the software side, in addition to continuing to
release new software, we believe that it is also essential to continue our efforts to extend sales of already-released software for a longer period than before."

"Making sales continuously strong sales for titles we have already released is one way we are able to maintain high operating profit ratio, because research and development costs are expensed as selling, general and administrative expenses at the time incurred."

 

Velezcora

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Yeah, this pretty much builds on my previous post. Atlus has historically made questionable platform decisions. This is just an extension of that.

If anyone doesn't believe that they can look at Catherine too. I highly doubt Sony paid Atlus for exclusivity for New Body. The original came out on PS3 and 360 but the re-release came to PS4 and... of all systems... Vita. That just goes to show Atlus has a warped understanding of what the consumer wants.
 

Plum

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Random Gaming Website: "This thing could be coming to Switch!"

Jason Schreier:
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Magic-Man

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I think we may scratch MK 9 from our lists, and expect a slower pace for new releases, since Nintendo wants to focus on expanding the sales of already released games as much as they can:

"On the software side, in addition to continuing to
release new software, we believe that it is also essential to continue our efforts to extend sales of already-released software for a longer period than before."

"Making sales continuously strong sales for titles we have already released is one way we are able to maintain high operating profit ratio, because research and development costs are expensed as selling, general and administrative expenses at the time incurred."


I wouldn't say that, but yeah, I think this could rule out a Mario Kart 9 on the Switch. Just give us DLC or Diddy Kong Racing, Nintendo.
 

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I think we may scratch MK 9 from our lists, and expect a slower pace for new releases, since Nintendo wants to focus on expanding the sales of already released games as much as they can:

"On the software side, in addition to continuing to
release new software, we believe that it is also essential to continue our efforts to extend sales of already-released software for a longer period than before."

"Making sales continuously strong sales for titles we have already released is one way we are able to maintain high operating profit ratio, because research and development costs are expensed as selling, general and administrative expenses at the time incurred."


Hot prediction for an announcement somewhere this year: I think they'll release a new pack of DLC for MK8D that won't add kart or racers but at least one brand new multiplayer mode, in a way to drive forward NSO subs and further monetize a game that almost half the userbase already owns.

That being said, clearly Nintendo has already plans to monetize on the long-term pretty much all of their big releases now.
 

Magic-Man

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Hot prediction for an announcement somewhere this year: I think they'll release a new pack of DLC for MK8D that won't add kart or racers but at least one brand new multiplayer mode, in a way to drive forward NSO subs and further monetize a game that almost half the userbase already owns.

Does it add tracks? Cause if it doesn't, I don't think a ton of people would buy it.
 

Magic-Man

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I don't think more traditional tracks are really necessary at this point considering the base game already has 48. It might have new tracks or arenas built for that new mode though, like Battle Mode has.

I like your idea, but I still think that the best course of action here is two new cups. Four retro tracks, four new tracks, two of each in each cup. Base them around other franchises. Add a new item (the item is either free or is only available on the new tracks), a couple of new characters, a couple of new battle arenas, and maybe the new multiplayer mode you were talking about. 20 USD for current owners, upgrade the current SKU to include it.
 

MusicProposition

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I think we may scratch MK 9 from our lists, and expect a slower pace for new releases, since Nintendo wants to focus on expanding the sales of already released games as much as they can:

"On the software side, in addition to continuing to
release new software, we believe that it is also essential to continue our efforts to extend sales of already-released software for a longer period than before."

"Making sales continuously strong sales for titles we have already released is one way we are able to maintain high operating profit ratio, because research and development costs are expensed as selling, general and administrative expenses at the time incurred."


Don't jump on conclusions based on something like this.
 

Le Dude

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I think we may scratch MK 9 from our lists, and expect a slower pace for new releases, since Nintendo wants to focus on expanding the sales of already released games as much as they can:

"On the software side, in addition to continuing to
release new software, we believe that it is also essential to continue our efforts to extend sales of already-released software for a longer period than before."

"Making sales continuously strong sales for titles we have already released is one way we are able to maintain high operating profit ratio, because research and development costs are expensed as selling, general and administrative expenses at the time incurred."

The issue is they're doing that through updates and DLC, and from the looks of things so far they have no plans to add anything substantial to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. If they were then we probably would have seen it by now.
 
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I like your idea, but I still think that the best course of action here is two new cups. Four retro tracks, four new tracks, two of each in each cup. Base them around other franchises. Add a new item (the item is either free or is only available on the new tracks), a couple of new characters, a couple of new battle arenas, and maybe the new multiplayer mode you were talking about. 20 USD for current owners, upgrade the current SKU to include it.

You changed your avatar!

And yep - that DLC sounds perfect. Easy way to maintain sales over the next few years.
 

Magic-Man

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The issue is they're doing that through updates and DLC, and from the looks of things so far they have no plans to add anything substantial to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. If they were then we probably would have seen it by now.

*stares at the Animal Crossing New Leaf DLC update that came three years after launch, and the extremely high current sales* Yeah, I think it's still possible.
 

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*stares at the Animal Crossing New Leaf DLC update that came three years after launch, and the extremely high current sales* Yeah, I think it's still possible.

Yup. For extremely longterm evergreen, releasing DLC in the middle of their life cycle is actually the planned date in order to reinvigorate sales at the moment they're projected to decline.

I like your idea, but I still think that the best course of action here is two new cups. Four retro tracks, four new tracks, two of each in each cup. Base them around other franchises. Add a new item (the item is either free or is only available on the new tracks), a couple of new characters, a couple of new battle arenas, and maybe the new multiplayer mode you were talking about. 20 USD for current owners, upgrade the current SKU to include it.

That'd be cool too but the main attraction would have to be the multiplayer mode. It's really what Nintendo should push forward, for most of their MP focused titles.
 

Magic-Man

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Yup. For extremely longterm evergreen, releasing DLC in the middle of their life cycle is actually the planned date in order to reinvigorate sales at the moment they're projected to decline.



That'd be cool too but the main attraction would have to be the multiplayer mode. It's really what Nintendo should push forward, for most of their MP focused titles.

....what if the DLC was free for Nintendo Switch Online owners?
 

dedge

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I know people are speculating about a MK9, but I wonder how 8 Deluxe DLC might work if it had a big push behind it. There are just so many copies out there.
 

MusicProposition

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MK8D sales numbers speak for themselves. These quotes only reassure that.
We had this discussion already. How are MK8D's sales a sign for Nintendo to rest on it? It's much more likely that they would inspire them to make a proper MK title for switch imo. MK9 would still sell a lot more than....nothing? Or purely digital MK8 DLC.

Looking at the sales now is kind of pointless though, since development probably started years ago. Even if MK9 was much less popular than MK8D (and it won't) it would be a huge hit. They did Mario Galaxy 1+2, even if it was clear that 2 would not sell as good.
 

Terraforce

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Damn imagine being that much of a buzzkill all the time
As opposed to giving people false hope? Nah I'd much rather prefer it being shut down early. It's minor things people take as "hints" that lead people still believing Persona 5 is coming to Switch any day now over a year after the rumors first started.
 

Renfran

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As opposed to giving people false hope? Nah I'd much rather prefer it being shut down early. It's minor things people take as "hints" that lead people still believing Persona 5 is coming to Switch any day now over a year after the rumors first started.

Jason isn't holding back either this time. All in all, rumors are fine but when Jason says something, I see it as absolute. He knows more than anyone and he's shutting this one down.



 

trestres

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We had this discussion already. How are MK8D's sales a sign for Nintendo to rest on it? It's much more likely that they would inspire them to make a proper MK title for switch imo. MK9 would still sell a lot more than....nothing? Or purely digital MK8 DLC.

Looking at the sales now is kind of pointless though, since development probably started years ago. Even if MK9 was much less popular than MK8D (and it won't) it would be a huge hit. They did Mario Galaxy 1+2, even if it was clear that 2 would not sell as good.
Multiplayer games sales die when the newest one is released.

Exactly the opposite happens when a sequel to a single player game is released.

You wouldn't think Nintendo will release another Smash Brothers this gen. It unluckily works that way.
 

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I mean, that would definitely help increase the subscriber count of NSO, which needs to happen. We also seemingly don't have a major multiplayer game this year, so what will push the sales?

People will buy the DLC if it's attractive enough, the point is to drive monetization and NSO subs. You're missing out on maximizing revenue by doing only one or the other.

Like, it could be a free update adding a MP mode but I'm picturing something bigger that would require being paid.
 

Magic-Man

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We had this discussion already. How are MK8D's sales a sign for Nintendo to rest on it? It's much more likely that they would inspire them to make a proper MK title for switch imo. MK9 would still sell a lot more than....nothing? Or purely digital MK8 DLC.

Looking at the sales now is kind of pointless though, since development probably started years ago. Even if MK9 was much less popular than MK8D (and it won't) it would be a huge hit. They did Mario Galaxy 1+2, even if it was clear that 2 would not sell as good.

I know this argument is usually used in me, but Super Mario Galaxy is a single player game. This is a giant multiplayer franchise.
 

LegendofLex

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Multiplayer games sales die when the newest one is released.

Exactly the opposite happens when a sequel to a single player game is released.

You wouldn't think Nintendo will release another Smash Brothers this gen. It unluckily works that way.

I suppose it comes down to whether Nintendo would rather get just people who don't already have MK8, or get people who do have MK8 to also buy 9 + capture new buyers with the new game and potential DLC.
 

fleet

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sorry cause this probably isn't the right place to ask but idk any other nintendo-specific threads. does anyone know if the new switch model has a better build quality than previous versions of it? my launch switch has the classic "grease" marks all over the back plate where the plastic has worn down from hours of use. i want to buy the new animal crossing switch but not if the plastic on the back wears down as much as my launch switch did; as there's that cute pattern on the back.

i've tried googling this and found nothing, but some people on era has mentioned that the new model has a more sturdy quality.
 
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