But he says in the article that he doesn't understand it was rape:
Pedantics. Tell me, what you call agression that happens during an sexual act?
But he says in the article that he doesn't understand it was rape:
I'm going strictly by the case reports here on the stabbing account. It was self-defense, she even called the brother of her ex-husband to take him to the hospital.
Also her video clearly shows her saying to him "You abused me yesterday, why did you do it? You didn't had to do it". Also I prefer to take the side of a victim who has nothing to gain by being made enemy by the most influential athlete of the country instead to take the side of the said so athlete.
A man forcing himself into an woman after she saying that without condoms nothing more than making out would happen is rape. She might have made very clear that she wanted to have sex with him, but once she places that boundary, it is rape. If the lawyers don't see it like that, they are wrong.lol he said she didn't lie just because he can't know for sure if the rape happened and obviously he wouldn't want to be sued if the court decides on her favor later on.
But he says in the article that he doesn't understand it was rape:
— Nunca falamos que ela (a mulher que acusa o jogador) mentiu. Eu analisei os fatos e o conjunto probatório e disse que na minha avaliação técnica tratava-se de um caso de agressão. Mas o delegado ou o Ministério Público poderiam interpretar de forma diferente. É passível de interpretação - afirmou o advogado.
— Eu me convenci de agressão. Nunca tratamos o caso como estupro. Ela só passou a tratar o caso como estupro após a frustração do acordo (tentativa de conciliação com advogados do jogador) - disse José Eduardo. — Eu era contra a divulgação. Achava que a exposição provocaria muita pressão sobre ela, que tem um filho. E também para ele, que é uma estrela da seleção.
This is simply disgusting.And there is absolutely no way she would lie right? Specially since she was the one recording it without Neymars knowledge... I mean... are you serious with this? Common...
And you are twisting my words again.This is simply disgusting.
This thread right here is textbook what rape victims go through. "She's lying", "The woman is crazy", etc...
I'm out of here until we have more development of this story, since this thread is like running in circles.
I'm sorry, but no, you're the one who has hinted that she could be crazy and now you're saying that she could be lying.
I said that crazy people exist, and that there's a possibility that she can be lying. This is very different from what you are claiming I said. Both these things are true, and they're the reason why you can't claim that Neymar is guilty. There hasn't been any piece of evidence to support her claims so far. No shit it casts doubt on HER (not them), that's the entire point.I'm sorry, but no, you're the one who has hinted that she could be crazy and now you're saying that she could be lying.
This is the kind of bullshit rape victims go through, all these doubts cast on them. Fuck this, I'm out.
Well, now at least we have somewhat of an idea as to why he throwed her under the bus.The ex-lawyer was one of the owners of a restaurant that is partner with Neymar's foundation.
She didn't want to settle after Neymar's lawyers rejected their initial compensation offer that happened in May 29; then her ex-lawyer tried to keep negotiating, she got impatient and said that she wanted to "kill him" by putting this on the media. She made the B.O on May 31 with a different lawyer.Except that it was not her that said that, it was her EX-lawyer that said she didn't want to settle and called him out after he kept insisting on it
Depends on the agression, to be considered rape, according to Brazilian law, it has to be a libidinous act. If during a consensual sexual act, someone tries deliberately to blind the partner for another purpose other than satisfy their libido, they would probably be accused of an injury offense. Regarding this case, I think if Neymar became aggressive during sex, it was probably rape.Pedantics. Tell me, what you call agression that happens during an sexual act?
Sure, that's rape and I'm pretty sure that the lawyers know that. But you're using her official public version of the facts, which might differ from what she said in private to the ex-lawyer, in order to make him reach his conclusion of aggression. As far as I remember, he didn't mention anything about condoms within that letter. I don't see any reasons for them to not pursue the rape case if it indeed happened.A man forcing himself into an woman after she saying that without condoms nothing more than making out would happen is rape. She might have made very clear that she wanted to have sex with him, but once she places that boundary, it is rape. If the lawyers don't see it like that, they are wrong.
Kinda unrelated to the case, but I am glad that Neymar is out of Copa America. He continuing to play made the case more complicated than it needed, and as a brazilian it makes me more calm that there won't be a guy being accused for rape representing the nation
Bring on the facts them, let's hear it, you better show the receipts, otherwise you're full of shit. All of your so called facts has already been discussed over and over. Video? Already discussed back and forth. Stabbing of ex-husband? Self-defense in an abusive relationship. What more am I missing?
You don't have any sympathy towards potential victims of false rape allegations? Because this thread was also the textbook of what those victims go trhough, just need to see the first pages when everyone said Neymar was guilty.This is simply disgusting.
This thread right here is textbook what rape victims go through. "She's lying", "The woman is crazy", etc...
You don't have any sympathy towards potential victims of false rape allegations? Because this thread was also the textbook of what those victims go trhough, just need to see the first pages when everyone said Neymar was guilty.
The truth should always comes first. You can't arrest Neymar and want the girl's version to be true no matter what, solely because it would be better for the rape victims general cause. That's not justice.
Jesus. This keeps looking worse for her.
Owner of Najila rented apparent denies break-in. No date set yet for retrial because of her lack of payment and eviction.
Sure, that's rape and I'm pretty sure that the lawyers know that. But you're using her official public version of the facts, which might differ from what she said in private to the ex-lawyer, in order to make him reach his conclusion of aggression. As far as I remember, he didn't mention anything about condoms within that letter. I don't see any reasons for them to not pursue the rape case if it indeed happened.
Do the case reports prove it was self-defense? Was the ex-husband the one convicted? Cause her calling the brother to take him to the hospital proves and means jack shit. Her being in good terms with the ex-husband means jack shit. Both those things can happen with out it being self-defense.
And there is absolutely no way she would lie right? Specially since she was the one recording it without Neymars knowledge... I mean... are you serious with this? Common...
Well fine, that is your choice to make. It's not mine SO FAR. My mind can still be changed based on new info. But you need to be aware that nothing that you are stating as facts are actual facts.
I'm not entirely sure. This was said by her landlord, and she says that her housekeeper left the doors unlocked purposely, that was caught on tape. The landlord has an eviction lawsuit against her, and how the hell the landord can affirm that this was done on purpose? Couldn't have this housekeeper forgot to lock the door? There are people with similar names of Najila facing threats and getting insulted gratuitously, imagine the mindset of the woman that is actually in the epicenter of this situation:
I see.This is now the lawyer in me talking, not really what I believe in. Let's not consider that has surfaced evidence that the ex-lawyer that came in public might have a vested interest, since he is one of the owners of a restaurant that it's partnered with the Neymar's foundation. Let's not consider that he came out in public and that's something that he might have to answer civilly either.
As a lawyer, I think that their strategy was wrong, because they should have never tried to settle it privately first. The woman did the right thing by filing the police report, but in a court trial, I think that the agressions could become a middle ground of an undisputable fact, depending on how much evidence she has. Rape is an incredibly hard crime to prove, especially against someone like Neymar. That might have played something in the ex-lawyers strategy, but here is the thing: that's not what the alleged victim of rape wanted. She wants justice. And I can't blame her for that.
This case is already looking like a crazy movie. But I mean, also the coming to light that she is being evicted will help painting in the public the idea that she is broke and make that the motive.I'm not entirely sure. This was said by her landlord, and she says that her housekeeper left the doors unlocked purposely, that was caught on tape. The landlord has an eviction lawsuit against her, and how the hell the landord can affirm that this was done on purpose? Couldn't have this housekeeper forgot to lock the door? There are people with similar names of Najila facing threats and getting insulted gratuitously, imagine the mindset of the woman that is actually in the epicenter of this situation:
Najila goes for a press conference at the lawyer's office last night, came back to her apartment and notices that her door was unlocked? Can anyone really blame her for thinking it was a break in?
Neymar not being convicted doesn't mean that she wasn't raped. Like I've said, as a lawyer I can sort of understand the strategy, save for the things that I pointed out that were clearly wrong. I do hope that the full video gets an admittance on tape of Neymar that he violated her, he simply saying that he thought that's what she wanted when she came to Paris when confronted with her saying that she asked him to stop would be enough. With that said, with the evidence we have so far, it is indeed hard to convict on rape. In the CP 218-C aka revenge porn in the USA and rest of the world, the conviction will likely happen tho. I just hope that the truth comes out and if Najila is indeed telling the truth, that she finds justice. I do believe her, but it will be incredibly hard to prove, knowing what we know so far. She does say that there are more to the chats than what Neymar has shown though.I see.
But looking at the whole picture, it's really hard to see this on her favor. It could be possible, bot not that plausible. So, with all we have, Neymar will hardly be convicted.
Unfortunately, yes. She is dealing with not just Neymar, but all the machine behinds him. I mean, this just happened:This case is already looking like a crazy movie. But I mean, also the coming to light that she is being evicted will help painting in the public the idea that she is broke and make that the motive.
I'm not gonna take that one as proof that she is lying. I can totally see some crazy fan of Neymar doing stupid shit like that, so who knows. But I also doubt it would have been someone directly related to Neymar.The girl is now saying (among others things) she's been threatened by Neymar's own people. Who in Neymar's staff would be stupid enough to threaten
her after everything? And what Neymar would gain with the alleged threats?
Yes. The more she talks, the worse it gets for her.
Citation needed. Once again, stop lying and distorting facts. This isn't something you can do with a serious issue like this. Prove what you've just said or retract it.The girl is now saying (among others things) she's been threatened by Neymar's own people. Who in Neymar's staff would be stupid enough to threaten
her after everything? And what Neymar would gain with the alleged threats?
Yes. The more she talks, the worse it gets for her.
The ex-lawyer was one of the owners of a restaurant that is partner with Neymar's foundation.
You don't have any sympathy towards potential victims of false rape allegations?
Citation needed. Once again, stop lying and distorting facts. This isn't something you can do with a serious issue like this. Prove what you've just said or retract it.
I'm pretty sure that what she actually said is that she is facing threats of powerful people and lawyers, she didn't name names. And judging by how the media is going through this woman's life, she is not wrong in feeling persecuted and threatened.
The girl is now saying (among others things) she's been threatened by Neymar's own people. Who in Neymar's staff would be stupid enough to threaten
her after everything? And what Neymar would gain with the alleged threats?
Yes. The more she talks, the worse it gets for her.
Heartbreaking. There is a new audio of her that supposedly she sent to Neymar and it's just heartbreaking. She says to him to man up and admit what he has done to her, that he knows that he came to her hotel room completely out of his mind and that nothing that is happening was needed, because he knows that she wanted to have sex with him when she went there, but not be fucking raped. She also says that she will ask for a toxicological exams of him because she knows he was on drugs when she met him and the incident happened.
Heartbreaking. There is a new audio of her that supposedly she sent to Neymar and it's just heartbreaking. She says to him to man up and admit what he has done to her, that he knows that he came to her hotel room completely out of his mind and that nothing that is happening was needed, because he knows that she wanted to have sex with him when she went there, but not be fucking raped. She also says that she will ask for a toxicological exams of him because she knows he was on drugs when she met him and the incident happened.
Thank you for providing us the link, I truly haven't seen that article before. With that said, going back to your original comment on the article's content:"Segundo minha cliente, ela estava sofrendo ameaças de pessoas que seriam ligadas ao Neymar", afirmou o advogado Danilo Garcia de Andrade, de acordo com informações do UOL.
The girl is now saying (among others things) she's been threatened by Neymar's own people. Who in Neymar's staff would be stupid enough to threaten
her after everything? And what Neymar would gain with the alleged threats?
Yes. The more she talks, the worse it gets for her.
Come on... Her audio was supposedly sent to him AFTER that Neymar's video exposing everything on Instagram. It was after the scandal. That's hardly an evidence.
By the way, do you think we have a single evidence for Neymar to be condemned for rape beyond any reasonable doubt? Which one?
Some people are so funny. Very quick to condemn Neymar, even without a trustworthy evidence. But at the same time defends the innocence of Lula and others brazilian political criminals, even with tons of proofs and criminal convictions on court.
Do you have a problem with people sucking cock? And what Lula has to do with anything here?Damn some ppl cant really speak without Lula's cock out of their mouth huh
Protip: they won'tRegardless if she's lying or telling the truth, nobody deserve to suffer what she's (her and the other woman who has the same name) suffering. Death threats, constant fear, being exposed with all the internet judging and affecting even her son. Neymar, Datena and Neymar Father needs to suffer severe consequences from that.
From what was talked, I'm pretty sure they will be accused of revenge porn. Also Datena broke secrecy of the case by exposing her name.
Powerful statement. But everyone will be quick to hush her and ignore anything the victim said."It's easier to call me a slut and that's it, case closed. And you want to know what's going to happen? I'll be killed and it'll be said that it was suicide, that I was lying and life goes on. Women will keep getting raped and treated like garbage!!!!!
In which country do you live? That's not the case in Brazil. Many rape convicts are raped in jails by their inmates. Obviously it won't happen to Neymar, but consequences are real to many of them.The long-term consequences for a lot of people who actually get convicted of rape are often pretty minimal. The idea that the falsely accused represent a particularly trod-upon portion of society is a laughable claim at best.
Yes, Neymar definitely will be accused for the CP 218-C. A civil lawsuit should obviously follow.From what was talked, I'm pretty sure they will be accused of revenge porn. Also Datena broke secrecy of the case by exposing her name.
My hope is - at least - women coming around their senses and understanding that this can happen with anyone of them. Men get a lot easier than women, and it's crazy how people are reacting to what happened to Najila. She is sex positive, knows what she wants, wanted to fuck Neymar, not get raped by him. Her crime is being someone with sexual maturity and well, an woman. You can't be an woman and like sex: if you like sex and you are an woman, you can't say no for a situation that you'd understandably not be comfortable with. He paid her trip, right? She waited for him in a bathrobe, just fuck him and be pleased that it even happened. She was asking for it... right? That's unfortunately the mindset of most Brazilians, including a lot of those that are commenting on this here.Powerful statement. But everyone will be quick to hush her and ignore anything the victim said.
It is just ridiculous that they invented an injury to take him out instead of properly addressing the issue.
Yeah, let's be fair here, he did hurt himself. Maybe it's karma.
The same away people ignore physical evidence and take cheap talk as gospel. Whatever pushes their narrative.Powerful statement. But everyone will be quick to hush her and ignore anything the victim said.
Pedantics. Tell me, what you call agression that happens during an sexual act?
Okay, that's fair. Do you understand that this without consent and with the person asking you to stop is rape, right? That's exactly what she is saying it happened: they were without condoms, she said that at least at that opportunity they would only make out and then he turned her and raped her with her saying "no", "stop". That my friend, is rape, not rough sex.Pulling, hard grabbing, bitting, choking, slapping, scratching etcs
There was penetration without her consent, according to her. She wanted to fuck him, but not without condoms. He said that and kept making out, then he turns her and rapes her, with her asking to stop and saying no, while him pounded her ass. That's rape.I was answering Haee's question only. Im not a criminal lawyer (much less a Brazilian one) but in England the definition of rape is penetration without consent. The scenario described in your post above opens up the possibility of assualt or sexual assault, if for example the lady was fine with the pentration but not the extras. It appears that in your post she didnt want to have sex without a condom and he penetrated anyway so that is rape.
Also just to say i havent said neymar or guilty or the girl is a liar and am just watching events as they unfold
Rape in Brazil is considered any libidinous act without the person consent. It doesn't necessarily involves penetration.I was answering Haee's question only, without having read the whole thread. Im not a criminal lawyer (much less a Brazilian one) but in England the definition of rape is basically penetration without consent. The scenario described in your post above opens up the possibility of assualt or sexual assault, if for example the lady was fine with the pentration but not the extras. It appears that in your post she didnt want to have sex without a condom and he penetrated anyway so that is rape.
Also just to say i havent said neymar or guilty or the girl is a liar and am just watching events as they unfold
Someone explain this to me. So; she was raped by Neymar, then arranged a meeting with him in a hotel room, prepared a camera to film him, and inmediately slapped him/hit him so that Neymar confessed?
If I got that right, some of you are unbelievable.