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I have no intention to buy a MS console, so for me it would be a big loss. I might play it on xCloud then, if possible.
But for now I'm assuming they don't touch TechLand.
Tbh sounds like hes taken popular theories/leaks and has just kinda mashed it all together
Can you quote where Klee posted specific performance numbers?
I don't think that ever happened... Klee specifically providing a number that is.
He said bingo to 12.08 . He never specifically wrote any numbers .
Yeah, all I remember him saying is10+ with the PS5 a bit ahead
Ah that quote. I thought we've already established that the "bingo" referred to another part of the post he quoted, not the TF number...
Could this be the "camera" that early rumors said the DS5 would have?
Ok, back to bed now 😴
Was just thinking it'd be a fairly cheap way to play it should it happen...but fingers crossed!
He is getting quite the response on the other side yet he failed to answer when asked about the specific reveal date.
It referred to TF number and not clock or cu as he clarified later to a user saying "this guy gets it" when the person wrote Klee most probably is referring to TF number
I think he is also teasing a list of games:
(1)Again I shall be ready as night changes to day.
(2)Óðinn
(3)June 23,1991
(4)Tomaszkiewicz
(5)対馬幽霊
(6)Bufonidae 8k
(7) George R. R. Martin
(1)Something from ready at dawn
(2)God of War 2
(3)Sonic
(4)Cyberpunk
(5)Ghost of Tshushima
(6)Battletoads (he says it is an 8k game)
(7)Elden Ring
Sonic hype if true!!
Weird that he would get so specific with XBX numbers when he basically said he can't get any more specific with PS5 info or his friend would get in trouble.
Might be a difference in NDAs or something else.
I'm definitely not a fan of money-hatting, and applaud Phil's in-principle stand against it, however, if Sony is going around and money-hatting games while Microsoft is not, then that will definitely hand Sony an advantage, and I'm not sure how much Phil's principles will mean to me if we see another console cycle similar to this one where (I assume that) 3rd parties decide to not release on Xbox because the time and effort isn't worth the install base.
LOL they just spoke at CES but i get it everyone's hungry for information
Timed exclusive for a game that's traditionally 3rd party is just a shitty practice...
I found Dying Light much much more engaging than State of Decay 2, even with the latter having a certain charm. You can never have enough great devs. What I will say is I believe Techland is also a publisher so it may be more complicated than that. Although ironically Techland published InXile's Torment: Tides of Numenera.
I... no, dude, this is not how it works. Reconstructed 4K is currently used this way because of mid-gen, sure, but it can absolutely be targeted by a dev team as the base resolution for a game in order to make it look and run better than a hypothetical alternate version of that game that targeted native 4K. "A system that is not as capable" means nothing, as depending entirely on the game being made any of the new machines could be incapable.
Firstly, using a single gen where reconstruction only became a thing halfway through is a minuscule sample size and useless for predicting anything in the future, as is using the way devs use mid-gen consoles with tiny install bases to predict how they will use new base consoles. Secondly, the reason why you don't see 720p PS4 games or whatever is because the image quality issues you get when dropping to something like 720p or checkerboard 1080p are MUCH more obvious than dropping from native 4K to 1440p or checkerboard 4K. The higher resolutions get, the smaller the differences between them. Native 1080p on PS4 is genuinely beneficial. Native 4K on PS5 and XSX, on the other hand, is an utter waste.
Edit: Also, I just remembered that we have seen reconstructed 1080p used on PS4 despite these issues, with Rainbow Six Siege. Between the improvements in reconstruction techniques and the practice devs have gotten in applying them, along with native resolution being less important than it used to be, this approach is likely to grow. And if it doesn't, that won't make it not a dumb decision.
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well one problem is - once you've had a few actual rumours, then a million pastebins riffing off those, then some more actual rumours - they all start looking the same and its difficult to pick wheat from chaff
I'm not saying what they're stating is inaccurate but it's worth noting that Osiris has yet to predict something that has come true. They also have not been vetted over here yet, which considering the last time they posted is a bit suspicious. Lastly they claim they can't go into details of specific games out of fear for their sources but have no qualms with divulging in detail a vertical slice trailer from an unannounced game.
Again, they absolutely could be genuine, but take everything they say with a big pinch of salt
Someone's paying attention!
One thing I do wish the ERA forum software would do is not have to link to an actual page, just link to a post, I use 100 posts per page and I always have to divide people's page numbers in half :).
There were new instructions to handle texture gradients etc, to allow easier use with CB. (If I remember correctly.)
Also ROPs had now ability to write ID buffer in same pass as color/Z/stencil.
Dark Souls remaster used id buffer hardware on Ps4 pro and some other features.
Really hope in next generation all these new features will be present on all machines, should be nice for programmers.
its because everyone links it incorrectly
just need to right click the time stamp and copy link and you get the post link without the page number.
Same problem here. Actually forum software does provide proper link, people aren't using it though.
sitename/threads/next-gen-ps5-and-next-xbox-speculation-launch-thread-ot10-we-aim-to-transition-those-from-ot9-at-a-pace-never-seen-before.165711/post-28433266 - that link will take you to specific post regardless of paging.
And if you have this kind of link
sitename/threads/next-gen-ps5-and-next-xbox-speculation-launch-thread-ot8-the-dark-tower-see-staff-post.159131/page-76#post-27484006
you can manually edit it to the template above, just remove 'page-XX#' part and you'll be golden.
Exactly. Also this studio acquisition has been rumored for a while so he didn't come up with something new.
https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/624986-microsoft-polish-studio-acquisition?amp
https://wccftech.com/microsoft-xbox-game-studios-poland-shopping/
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/12/25/xbox-one-microsoft-developer-techland-cd-projekt-red/
https://gamerant.com/microsoft-cd-projekt-red-buy-rumor/
Could both be right depending on time they received the information. Dev kits I assume get weaker with each "prototype".
Or maybe one has sources with first party and not third? I'm guessing first party would have the new Dev kits sooner than third.
how is this an insider leak? We already know that all of these games are being made.
One in a while there is a good post in this topic.EDIT: A new detailed Navi photo became available soon after I posted this, making the measurements here obsolete. I've left them alone here, but revised versions of both images can be found in this later post by me.
Here's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
Buy why is the max bandwidth for Xbox Series X prediction lower than Playstation 5 with a wider bus? I see 320bit for Series X and 256bit for Ps5.
I know there were rumors for Ps5 having higher clocked GDDR6, but if you talk about possible max clock, that should be reflected in the potential maximum.
I also always thought Microsoft would go for 3 Shader Engines. It's time we get to see big Navi and how many Shader Eninges those cards will have.
Also, they only started posting about MS acquiring a JPN exclusive after the replies to Phil Spencer's tweet
Why are people ok with Microsoft or Sony buying 3rd party devs? I'd rather have EA,Ubisoft or Activision purchase those devs so they'll continue to be multiplat. I wasn't a fan of Microsoft buying Ninja Theory or Double Fine i just wish they stopped targeting 3rd party devs it's bad for the industry unless those companies where close to becoming insolvent, similar to the Obsidian situation which made sense why Microsoft bought them. The whole rumor of Sony buying Zenimax makes my head hurt! Why would gamers want that? It would change the industry as we know it and would have detrimental long term effects.
Agreed, but to be fair, some of those games have not been officially announced for next gen consoles.
also the decode of original message might be completely off lol
Dual GPUs will bring a whole bag of worms along with them. PS5 development will be hell, except for VR titles, VR developers will adore a dual GPU. If the second GPU is for RT and RT only, it might be something very small dedicated to building data structures (like K-D trees) but anything else should probably have to sit inside the same silicon as the main GPU. We already know that AMD is going to modify their TMUs for RT, maybe increase the L0 cache too, so I doubt anything but an external data structure building silicon will be effective.
I know that we can't see it as official, but the Github leak did show 56 active CUs in the XSX. It implies that there are only 2 SEs and 56 CUs. I'm not saying that MS couldn't have changed things since, but it does seem to at least imply that 3 SEs are not needed for a 60CU GPU.I've completed remeasuring the different functional blocks in Navi, based on the new Fritzchens Fritz die shot. Here's the new figures. I've also updated my predictions based on this, and to account for the likely need for additional ROPs and cache in the higher-WGP PS5. If any questions arise, let me know.
Mecha Meister , I saw that someone had asked my prior post be threadmarked. If you decide to do this, please mark this post instead. Of course, you may also determine that neither is of sufficient significance.
It's not wrong, I agree with the part about Demon's Souls. I'm a big DS fan, but I feel like it's an evolving franchise and DS3 was like some sort of the greatest hits of the series while having the most polished mechanics the series had ever seen. If BP remakes the original Demon's Souls, we might get a game that's inferior to DS3 in every way except for graphics, and graphics are not why I play DS games. I mean, I love BP, they are technical masters, but I still haven't seen them dive into gameplay mechanics and reinvent them. I really doubt they can out-do FromSoftware in making a souls game, so what's the point?
I would rather see them work on something else, a classic that really needs a new release. How about an RE2-esque remake of ICO? Or maybe MGS3? How about J&D or 2005's GOW? Sony has enough interesting games to remake, Demon's Souls isn't a game that begs for remaking IMO.
Ratchet native is 1800p? Are you sure? I've never heard of that. I thought Insomniac is keeping its temporal injection tech under wraps for now. If their original image is 1800p, no wonder their reconstruction technic looks better then anyone else's, their starting point has 40% more pixels than most reconstruction technics to 4K. But I doubt that, if they can hit 1800p native then they would have probably not bothered with reconstruction at all.
I think it meant "hey you can do maths" rather than "hey that's the exact number".
the same reason Sony would to fill out the portfolio for the year while your 1st party can get the games done
Day 67.
Still drifting across the ocean...with no land in sight.
MS particularly needs a lot of studios to keep pumping content on GamePass with regular schedule in mind.
Same if Sony wants to dabble in PC gaming, buying Zenimax holds some sense if they want to rebrand their PC launcher (still unlikely imo).
Still drifting across the ocean...with no land in sight.
You have to mentally prepare yourself for more buyouts as the ecosystem wars are just really beginning.
MS particularly needs a lot of studios to keep pumping content on GamePass with regular schedule in mind.
Same if Sony wants to dabble in PC gaming, buying Zenimax holds some sense if they want to rebrand their PC launcher (still unlikely imo).
You should not go on the other sites speculation thread then...
I trust Sony and MS to treat a studio with care more than I do EA or Activision. I guess some people would be concerned about the games possibly no longer being released as multi-plat, but I imagine platforms (as we perceive them now) may be irrelevant in 5 years and even Sony might start supporting PC more and more and maybe one day things would even launch day and date.
honestly for a game made by a small dev to be 4k 60 and raytraced and look like that , i m impressed but why all these leaking now?
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It was before MS had the 1st Party developers they have now. They were hurting for exclusives, that's why we got SO, Quantum Break, Tomb Raider, etc. Since then, how many 3rd Party exclusives has MS had?
I'm actually pretty excited about this game's potential.
Can't wait to see what a current build of the game looks like when they finally show it off.
Someone said the build from the video was from early 2019 so it might look significantly better now.
What Phil's principle? They have been announcing timed exclusives every single E3.
That japanese is clunky Google translated "Ghost of Tsushima", doubt that is on Xbox lol.
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