I think the power consumption is going to be prettty identical to an RX 580.
I think there's miscommunication and misinformation because TDP and TBP are being mixed around by everyone.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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I think the power consumption is going to be prettty identical to an RX 580.
I think there's miscommunication and misinformation because TDP and TBP are being mixed around by everyone.
What make you think want compete with Nvidia in high end gpu market? I always thought they are more interested to the low/midrange market (for now). And the sony/MS communication has nothing to do with such consideration.
That is my point, these cards overall with performance and price factored in are really not truly competing with Nvidia at the midrange well enough. Especially when it sounds like we are about a week away or so based on rumors of Nvidia dropping their whole line down a rung in terms of pricing, which would make an RTX 2080 be more what that AMD Navi card is going against.
They said exactly the same thing about Ryzen cpu when was revealed at the time. Let's see concretely when they are out before to start the drama...
Updated my prediction.
You can find it under the Threadmark
Xeontech That is my avatar bet: 10.7TF Max. Yours is still 12.9TF?
You can find it under the Threadmark
Xeontech That is my avatar bet: 10.7TF Max. Yours is still 12.9TF?
AMD promoted radeon vii as on pair with rtx 2080 ant it ended on pair with rtx 2070..
I am just curious why you have a higher memory bandwidth estimate on Scarlett Anaconda over PS5?
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What do you make of the game informer guy saying devs told him that the PS5 is more powerful then scarlett.
I was team $399 for PS5, but after that I'm leaning more to $499.
A bit off topic,but when we see now these prices of mid range GPUs (both AMD & Nvidia) next gen $399-$499 consoles will be crazy good value for average consumer.
This is the reason I predict a range. It could be any combination in between that range fro each platform.
No, the denoising, really. I seem to recall reading some time ago that none of the games are using their AI-based denoising, that simpler algorithmic approaches are more performant. In line with what we saw from DLSS, in fact.
Is this your most recent? It's the only one thread marked?
New thread - old habits
I repost my last recent prediction - bookmark it as I will update this prediction every once in a while ...
Remarks/Assumptions:
Change Log:
- Clock speeds derived from TBP of Navi PC GPUs
- Both platform holders have the chance to wear the performance crown
- Expecting an increase in game performance at the same computational power (TFs) just not by the number itself by at least 15%
Rev 9.0: Incorporated E3 Info from MS, AMD and some secret sauce from my side that will not be disclosed
Rev 8.2: Lower clock for the lower bounds . (27-05-2019)
Rev 8.1: Eliminate the difference between PS5/Anaconda but having 2 tier prediction for those consoles
Rev 8: New NAVI architecture makes CUs obsolete. Consolidated to ECC vote as more likely now after Computex info (27-05-2019)
Rev 7.1: Included the Endless Cycle Committee prediction vote into the table after a RfC (25-05-2019)
Rev 7: Completely changed prediction scheme: Lower and Upper bounds provide the range I expect the consoles will land (16-05-2019)
Rev 6.1: Changed from Baseline to Ballpark, Modified specs based on new information available to me
Rev 6: Consolidated to 1 baseline per console, adjusted specs & pricing for all consoles
Rev 5: Added 3rd tier to adapt on AdoredTV table of Navi GPUs
Rev. 4.3: SSD for Lockhart, Lockhart now $399 instead of $349
Rev. 4.2: Increased Memory clock instead of 448Gbps,
Colbert's numbers are in line with my expectations. I hoped for a bigger leap then this but I don't expect such. Time will tell.
well, it is dated to today, so going out on a limb here,...
The only way it could be a big leap if the PS5 is somehow 40 teraflops.
close to 10x of OG PS4 is a good leap.
Colbert prediction is huge.
10.7rdna tflops is nearly as powerful then a vega 7/rtx2080
As it stands now, on paper the next gen systems are barely 2x the power of the X I already own and will be three years old when the new systems. I hoped for a bigger leap but probably not possible for $500 or less.
Then it's your own fault for expecting something unrealistic.
It'll feel like a bigger leap due to SSD mostly. And Zen 2 will fix a lot of issues.
Also, people are still discounting hardware RT. That's not really comparable to what we had last gen and it's not included in the performance figures.
They should have waited longer for next gen then. Traditionally console leaps are much larger.
Only if you look at teraflops count. We have SSD and an actual non shit CPU to be optimistic for.
Colbert pls. What do you mean by this.New thread - old habits
I repost my last recent prediction - bookmark it as I will update this prediction every once in a while ...
Remarks/Assumptions:
Change Log:
- Clock speeds derived from TBP of Navi PC GPUs
- Both platform holders have the chance to wear the performance crown
- Expecting an increase in game performance at the same computational power (TFs) just not by the number itself by at least 15%
Rev 9.0: Incorporated E3 Info from MS, AMD and some secret sauce from my side that will not be disclosed
Rev 8.2: Lower clock for the lower bounds . (27-05-2019)
Rev 8.1: Eliminate the difference between PS5/Anaconda but having 2 tier prediction for those consoles
Rev 8: New NAVI architecture makes CUs obsolete. Consolidated to ECC vote as more likely now after Computex info (27-05-2019)
Rev 7.1: Included the Endless Cycle Committee prediction vote into the table after a RfC (25-05-2019)
Rev 7: Completely changed prediction scheme: Lower and Upper bounds provide the range I expect the consoles will land (16-05-2019)
Rev 6.1: Changed from Baseline to Ballpark, Modified specs based on new information available to me
Rev 6: Consolidated to 1 baseline per console, adjusted specs & pricing for all consoles
Rev 5: Added 3rd tier to adapt on AdoredTV table of Navi GPUs
Rev. 4.3: SSD for Lockhart, Lockhart now $399 instead of $349
Rev. 4.2: Increased Memory clock instead of 448Gbps,
Also, the numbers provided in that reddit post gave an estimate of 8.7TF to 10.875TF. Navi 10 @ 1800 MHz (Gonzalo freq) is 9.2TF.
Compared to the X perhaps, but it's almost 3 times PS4 Pro. I guess in that respect, Sony's strategy was better, and it also has been for sale longer than X.
The "mid-gen" refreshes, in particular the Xbox One X which is really great, throw things off some because you are supposed to be comparing to the base consoles of each platform for a generation change. SSDs and far better CPUs will be huge, but yeah I do hear you.
Changed back to 256-bit. Trust my own gut more than info I read here.
Yes, Gonzalo was 2019 imo
Yes, I only update that single comment. Better than having them all over the thread
secret sauce = my brain
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This.
Were essentially going from a customised Radeon 7870 to the equivalent of up to an RTX 2070.
Good lord if that isn't considered a big leap in performance then I don't know what else to say to be honest....
This is huge and there is no denying that.
EDIT: changed prediction
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Longer? 2020 will be 7 years. That's around the amount of time for last gen as well(7-8 years). Previous gens were shorter, IIRC.
*edit* I misread your post, sorry.
Has something happened the last few days which has confirmed this, or still just speculation?
Not really worried. Excited like everyone else. Was just hoping for a bigger advancement in visuals. Something comparable to that Unity - Heretic demo but I find it difficult to believe those levels of visuals will be possible next gen. I wouldn't know though.
Having a 10 teraflop GPU with the upgraded architecture and ray-tracing seems like a bigger and better upgrade than we had going into this generation.
Combined with the massive CPU upgrade and the addition of the SSD, I'm not disappointed in the least.
Combined with the massive CPU upgrade and the addition of the SSD, I'm not disappointed in the least.
Speculation, RDNA's architecture is amazing when compared to GCN, especially the lower end iteration of GCN found within the Polarus GPU that the Xbox One X uses.
Not really
Unless you think current gen games @ native 4k is drastically better the checkerboard 4k.
I don't know where the 2080 talk is coming from.
I would be surprised we got better then a 2070, considering a rx5700xt is 2070level and is a 180w GPU.
I think it's fair to say RDNA seems like a big improvement over GCN. But what is meant by this? Microsoft claims that the GPU in the Xbox One X is more powerful/capable than stock Polaris at the same TF.
I still expect the RTX 2060 to be next gens 750 Ti, aka the PC card that will match or beat console perfomance and console settings at console resolutions throughout next gen. At the absolute most I expect the ceiling to be the RTX 2070 but I really doubt that is going to happen outside of some cherry picked benchmarks.
People complain that this isn't a big jump because we already have a 4.2tf and a 6tf machine available, but we need to take into account that even these machines are bound by the lowest common denominator (the base consoles).
If we could see games like God of war or tlou2 being developed solely for the pro, the jump would be a lot more apparent.
Next gen, and if these leaks turn out to be real, we're gonna have something along the lines of 10 RDNA Tf, which, if I'm understanding correctly, can punch 25% above their weight. This would put them at real world capabilities of 12.5 Tf. Is it a jump compared to 6tf on the X1? Yeah, although not a huge one.
Is it a huge jump compared to 1.8/1.4 Tf? Damn right it is. No matter how much more powerful the X1 is, it's still being shackled by the constraints of current base consoles and in going so, most of that power goes to resolution and locking 30fps (maybe 60 in some games). There's no change in geometry, npc density, destruction.
Next gen will not be a leap from 6 to 12, it's gonna be a leap from 1.4 to 12. It's almost 10x, for those who take things this linearly (they shouldn't).
If we could see games like God of war or tlou2 being developed solely for the pro, the jump would be a lot more apparent.
Next gen, and if these leaks turn out to be real, we're gonna have something along the lines of 10 RDNA Tf, which, if I'm understanding correctly, can punch 25% above their weight. This would put them at real world capabilities of 12.5 Tf. Is it a jump compared to 6tf on the X1? Yeah, although not a huge one.
Is it a huge jump compared to 1.8/1.4 Tf? Damn right it is. No matter how much more powerful the X1 is, it's still being shackled by the constraints of current base consoles and in going so, most of that power goes to resolution and locking 30fps (maybe 60 in some games). There's no change in geometry, npc density, destruction.
Next gen will not be a leap from 6 to 12, it's gonna be a leap from 1.4 to 12. It's almost 10x, for those who take things this linearly (they shouldn't).
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