I feel differently, but we'll have to wait and see at this point.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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I feel differently, but we'll have to wait and see at this point.
LOL. PS5 GPU being less powerful than Xbox One X GPU, makes sense.
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Hey I didn't think 8TF would be revived, but here we are...
Clearly, they're missing the 1 in front of the 8.
Or, it's 8 TF per GPU chiplet :P
LMAO people still talking about 8TF.
It's not going to happen .
PS5 will be over that for certain , i say the floor is at least 10TF.
It's not going to happen .
PS5 will be over that for certain , i say the floor is at least 10TF.
Team 18-20TF strikes again! ;)
Welp, I guess while we all sit here and speculate the next expected news drop is at the end of May when AMD is supposed to unveil Navi, right? Anything on the books happening before then?
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And I guess since the subject kinda sorta came up earlier, and with all of these Xbox-oriented insiders around, can one of them confirm if the next gen Xbox platforms will be using Navi? I ask because a cryptic statement by Benji (which he himself stated was only from 1 source and he wasn't sure if he believed it) claimed that the next Xbox architecture might vary wildly from the PS5. We know for certain the PS5 is using Navi, so IF that rumor were true then it could only mean 1 of 3 things:
1) Next gen Xbox would be using a pre-Navi architecture (something akin to Stadia)
2) Next gen Xbox would be using a post-Navi architecture (whatever it's called, it was previously erroneously referred to as Arcturus)
3) Next gen Xbox would be using Navi, but in a completely different configuration to Sony (ie. one of them is using Chiplets and the other monolithic)
Wondering if any of the insiders can confirm if it actually is Navi or not.
People love to say "Jason said the consoles are above10.7 tf's". He never said that he said they are aiming to beat stadia. Which could mean less teraflops outperforming stadia.
Aiming to do something and actually doing it are 2 different things. Just like we know Microsoft is aiming to take the power crown.... just because they are aiming to doesn't mean it's happening 100%.
There are lots of contradictions right now. Jason thinks the consoles will be around or possibly about 10.7. Albert Penello and digital foundry are much more conservative.
Aiming to do something and actually doing it are 2 different things. Just like we know Microsoft is aiming to take the power crown.... just because they are aiming to doesn't mean it's happening 100%.
There are lots of contradictions right now. Jason thinks the consoles will be around or possibly about 10.7. Albert Penello and digital foundry are much more conservative.
if I had to guess, I would say 3. ms has been pushing RT hard the last 2 years, it wouldnt shock me to see a weaker navi chip in terms of tfps, but a large part of it dedicated to rt hardware.
PS5 above 10TF is mostly based on the GPU running at around 1800MHz.
It's unprecedented in any console so far.
Xbox One X at 1172 MHz is the highest ever so far by a huge margin.
And that console came out when Desktop GPUs were 2000MHz already.
So if anything, I would rather laught at people who are on the "100% above 10TF" train.
Oh absolutely at the end of the day. But if we're talking about what matters, well. It'll be the console that does 4K while the other does 1800p. Or maybe both run at 4K but only one is solid because more ram means it streams in elements of the open world without as many hitches, or has less pop in. As long as there are enough games with a tangible difference, it will absolutely make a difference to some people.
But even then wasn't really the difference only 900p vs 1080p or 900p vs 720p on some games? I've always noticed in exclusives and yes the Xbox being more expensive was a big thing sales wise but was the power difference end result bigger than what we're talking for next gen?
A number of games iirc had slightly better textures or better effects (actually there were some cases iirc where the xbone had better effects -- I think it was Thief 2014? -- but lower resolution). Mostly devs stuck with 1080p vs 900p but there were sometimes a few other things that got minor adjustments I thought.
If 300 I'm guessing Lockhart is 4.5-6.5 tf
If 400$ I'm guessing ps4 to be 8-10tf
If 500$ ps5 at 10-12.3tf
If 500$ andaconda at 10.5-12.75
If 600$ andaconda at 12.5-14.5
I do kinda laugh at people who say ps5 is 100% above 10tf. They say this without knowing if it's 400$ or 500$. They say this without knowing if any significant architecture gains that Could result in higher performances at lower TF's like Nvidia.
If 400$ I'm guessing ps4 to be 8-10tf
If 500$ ps5 at 10-12.3tf
If 500$ andaconda at 10.5-12.75
If 600$ andaconda at 12.5-14.5
I do kinda laugh at people who say ps5 is 100% above 10tf. They say this without knowing if it's 400$ or 500$. They say this without knowing if any significant architecture gains that Could result in higher performances at lower TF's like Nvidia.
You know I would absolutely love it if Lockhart was basically a more powerful Xbox One X that could run next gen games, but with all the X enhanced features, for $300. I would be all over that in a heart beat. $349 would still have me given I already have a small but sizeable amount of Xbox One games.
I feel it's pretty likely all these MS insiders have been caught out believing the early Gonzalo clocks where the GPU only ran at 1Ghz were the final targets for PS5. They're all pretty cocky about repeating those figures and telling everyone Anaconda will surely be faster. Sucks for them that the most recent version of Gonzalo reportedly runs the GPU at 1.8Ghz representing the actual, final target.
Rest assured, I have absolutely nothing to do with any of this, lol
There are no consoles with 7nm gpu in them .
That is the whole point of a die shrink .
Okay let do some simple math with a die shrink PS4 pro is 2.2 times PS4 which give us 4.2TF .
Even if they don't do anything and just do what they did with PS4 to Pro you still looking at around 8.5 TF at the same clocks .
So no it will be more than 8TF thanks to a new die shrink and what ever else they doing .
Think there's a chance?
Old devkit with target specs
New devkit with close to final specs
thats why I dont belive it. a rx 580 is 6 tfps and thats on 14nm, no way you get a gpu less than 6, unless you are trading space on the chip for something else. while I wish ms would go that deep in to RT, I cant see them giving up THAT much chip space for it.
Suuuuuuure ya didn't. Bookmarking this for when the ps5 devkit is dant21
Anyone want to enlighten us on the release schedule of the PS4 and X1 dev kits and their power/specs relative to each other and relative to their final form. Do we have a historical precedent for comparing them to each other and to their final specs???
Something to frame our current dev kit comparison leaks with.
Something to frame our current dev kit comparison leaks with.
Cool, so all they need is 72 compute units and they're good to go, huh?
All the 8TF PS5 talk started with Gonzalo having 1Ghz gpu clock. Maybe 1Ghz clocks is the low speed devkit version that Cerny used to demo spiderman for the wired interview.
But we know that in april, the Gonzalo went from Engineering Sample to Qualification Sample (final version) and the gpu clock speed increased significantly to 1.8 Ghz. So it's safe to say that PS5 with 1.8Ghz will easily be more than 8TF.
People worried about Lockhart holding back next gen but if this were true (I reaaaaaly doubt it FYI) the ps5 would be the 3rd party base console opening the possibility of lackluster "upscaled" ports to anaconda. Please no.
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Well to Mojang specifically but I'm sure there would be some heavy restrictions on who gets to see documentation and such.
Hmm, if I were in Sony's shoes I dunno if I could take that risk.
Probably around the time that MS start manufacturing consumer units.
(although they could ship them an underclocked version earlier, specifically to fuck with their heads)
If they want Minecraft on the platform for their users that still play it and want to make sure things move forward and are going to be ok with crossplay, it'll happen AFTER the PS5 has been fully revealed/launched.
That is where the higher clocks will come in on 7nm and improvements of Navi .
Yeah it's not one to one but people think we will only get 2 more TF from X in 3 years are crazy .
No, but consoles in 28nm and 16nm.
And both times they were notably below the desktop equivalent in frequency.
Efficiency sweat spot is also much more important in a console environment. Not even talking about hard limits like TDP, power consumption and price.
Also i don't refute that Ps5 will be 8TF.
I refute the console will be at least 10TF+ 100% certain.
No console will have 32GB Ram. And no console will run at 1800MHz GPU clocks.
Xbox One X running at 1800MHz would be 9.2TFlops just for comparison.
just google it , 1st thing u will find .
i'm not comfortable to post the whole piece of it here but it was gold that time after ps4/xbox1 released
i think my range of expected TF would be 8-12 for next gen, but certainly not 8 AND 12. can you imgine if we get lockheart at 4, ps5 at 8, and anaconda at 12? bizarro world.
It is a reference to something said back on neogaf during the next-gen hysteria leading up to the release of the X1/PS4.
I just received an image of what will probably be the PS5 GPU:
It seems to confirm that Mark Cerny lied about the console would support Ray Tracing.
It seems to confirm that Mark Cerny lied about the console would support Ray Tracing.
Even behind closed doors, thats too low a count of TF for Sony. I mean, i expect a certain level of hubris has set in at Sony, but not that much. They are too savvy for that.
Cant see either of the new consoles having more than 16gb of ram.
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