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New in-depth The Last of Us Part I video showcases how Naughty Dog overhauled visuals and gameplay (Features and Gameplay Trailer)
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It's getting old Jarmel. Very old. People get banned for less in other threads. Can we at least maybe add a disclaimer or have a different thread that separates the outrage to it's own space? Crazy I know.
I may pick it up on sale when I want to play the series again. I don't think it's worth $70 or even $60 when I've bought the game twice already.
You could have a "didn't ask for this" "too much money" "what's the point" game wasn't made for you thread. There's enough there for a thread to be interesting and a decent length.
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Lmao on era no less, a place where you'd see countless drive bys and low effort posts calling everything from a GENRE they don't like as shit dated trash. But god forbid they see negative or critical posts directed at their first party studio and it's time to ban discussion!
If the impulse is to seek out some console war-y explanation for this, I'd say that ain't it.
TLOU remake has a number of things that make it conducive to backlash (although I recall all those games getting a lot of backlash, too): the $70 price tag is something people have been grinding gears over long before we knew the remake existed, and the remake speaks to that in its own way; TLOU1 is super accessible on modern hardware, such that it and its remake will be coexisting to a degree that is unique (which is actually cool, of course); the existence of this thing was communicated through leaks, and then finally through an odd presentation at SGF, and then just now we got our first in-depth look, and precisely what it is has been up in the air through most of that process; most subjectively of all, there is a dynamic at play where the nature of the remake's changes/additions/improvements simply might not hit for some people, given that TLOU1 still looks incredible, that the whole art direction has been altered, and that TLOU2 has shifted expectations for what reads as a high fidelity take on that world/those characters.
Just looking at ports, remasters, remakes in general, you can ask why so many of them get people less critically excited even when they're pretty basic, but the general thrust is that it's just cool to be given the opportunity to play a old gem, polished up to some degree, on current systems. The context around TLOU1 remake is conducive to breaking that spell, basically. The observation that its had more work put into it than most remasters/remakes doesn't really speak to that.
Tropical Freeze and Skyward Sword didn't get that much criticism considering they were brought off a dead system, Super Mario 3D all-Stars did because it was a shitty port with barely any upgrades and deserved all the criticism it got because it should have been so much better.
The criticisms this is getting would still exist if the price was lower and they are frankly alot of bs arguments against the game existing. I definitely think the price of this should be lower but It seems there's a bunch of good upgrades for this.
Really? Can't remember it happen even once In any of my playthroughs
My only opinion on this game is that it looks great and I can't wait to play it, and also can't wait to one day have a discussion thread that isn't just about relitigating whether it's worth it, necessary, a scam or whatever nonsense, over and over.
Just watched the video on my 83A90J. Fuck me sideways the graphics and details are absolutely insane. Cannot wait to experience the story in a completely new light.
You really will have to see thus on a big screen to appreciate all the work that has gone into it, I think many are just looking at it on their phones.
You really will have to see thus on a big screen to appreciate all the work that has gone into it, I think many are just looking at it on their phones.
It's absolutely fine to have an opinion about something, but when that becomes the sole talking point of the discussion it starts taking away from anything else. That's the problem. I get that people don't like the price or are not convinced of it's value, but how many times do we have to say the same shit before we can move on? In these situations, I think it would be better served to have a separate thread for these concerns specifically. I don't think this is a case of the Sony/ND defense force getting mad. I think that many of us are just fans of the game and are okay with some of the things you are not okay with. Like someone else mentioned, if this were Bloodborne for example, some of those same people that had a problem with this game would be gushing about anything FROM touches. The value of TLOU is not the same for everyone. The thing that baffles me is that the people that want nothing to do with this are the most vocal about it. If you don't care, then why do you care so much?
The game was billed as a remake and not remaster which to me, falls under two desperate categories. This feels more like a remaster of a remaster. When I think of remakes I think a revisioning of art design, levels, animation, gameplay, and maybe larger changes to cinematics and story beats (like FFR, RE series etc) Demon souls straddles that line between remake and remaster imo.
Not a big enough upgrade for me to pay full price Day 1, but I'm usre I'll get it down the line.
Loudninja dropped it in the other thread but worth popping here too, as looking at what the blast affects around it makes you really appreciate the physics additions they've implemented. So good.
View: https://twitter.com/Samuel_Prince/status/1550529023247147008?t=JiK-mBDAGM6DZZHSsRq34A&s=19
View: https://twitter.com/Samuel_Prince/status/1550529023247147008?t=JiK-mBDAGM6DZZHSsRq34A&s=19
Probably because in their marketing they keep using "rebuilt" which isn't either but, you know, implies something
It's really not if you've spent any time around Nintendo fans who have set fire to threads, forums, Twitter, etc. over several of Nintendo's ports in the past 5 years of the Switch being out. 3D All Stars in particular got absolutely rocked for being an awful collection at $60 with a timed release that pissed literally everyone off, even the people who bought and enjoyed said game. Tropical Freeze releasing at $60 when it released at $50 on Wii U still absolutely makes people livid to this day. And these are all for games you could never play on Switch or portable, and even fewer people had played when it came to the Wii U titles, and they still got that level of vitriol. The anger was real and present regardless of how much you paid attention to it (and I'd argue a lot of the anger wasn't as seen on ERA, where Nintendo fans I think are maybe a little less common than Sony fans).
Couple of reasons, one of which is that the $70 price tag in general caused a shitstorm in gaming circle because it translate to more than $100 in many regions. And though we can have a conversation about that aspect, I think it'll naturally piss a lot of people off when the game in question isn't something built from the ground up like Resi 2, when you have examples like the upcoming Witcher 3 remaster being offered as a free upgrade to owners, whereas TLOU remake with its missing MP content is being priced at a super premium. Understandabley, some will be more than fine with this but some wouldn't. This is also isn't Sony's first rodeo with a pricing fiasco.
Now if you're gonna use Bloodborne as an example, well many are actually desperate for a remaster of that game because of performance and resolution enhancements that were never offered, but still I'm certain if that ever happens without an "upgrade path" option that thread would be full of complaints of greed and of course, the dreaded "easy mode" discussion.
Point is, we'll always have a discussion on value and pricing when it comes to "rereleases" such as these, and this case there IS plenty there to criticize about this remake and people will moan and voice their opinions, and in between you'll always get the usual console wary posts that found an opportunity, this isn't exclusive to Sony's studios. I've seen threads of people complaining about $60 new games not looking next gen enough. It's a gaming forum, for every "scam! Won't buy!" post there's another claiming it's a "bargain!".
Edit: I also wanna had, from the posts I've seen in both threads there's apparently a dev on the game who said something like this is the most ambitious gaming project they've seen or worked in?! Like really? A remaster remake?! Things like this will just piss people off.
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Yeah it's hard to explain. It looks like all the life has been sucked out of it.
The original had this kinda animated yet realistic look that had vibrancy and colour and this just looks faded and miserable.
Happened several times across several playthroughs for me. Most notable memories of this happening were during the encounter where Joel gives Ellie the rifle, as well as the sniper sequence.
I think the issue then was the old school thing of once one enemy saw you, they all were immediately alerted to your location. Pretty sure in Part II they moreso respond to what their allies say/where they hear gunfire coming from rather than just immediately going to you.
Dude why people care what people do with their money, I would even pay $100 for this, if people think it's expensive just wait for a sale, I bought tlou two times already this will be the third and I would buy tlou p2 on pc again. (like I agree with twitter dude)
I watched the video again.
So essentially they are making part 1 to be what TLOU part 2 is in terms of technology. They even said it looks the same and in some ways better.
So if that is true, how is this marketed as rebuilt for ps5? Haptics? 3d audio? That stuff could be added in without issue. It's minor details vs the raw power the ps5 has in order to make this remaster potentially jaw dropping.
My take is that this remake would run identical to TLOU part 2 if it was released on ps4. So they are giving us a ps4 quality remaster with a patch for added fps. The same as the ps5 patch does on TLOU part 2.
Hard pass.
So essentially they are making part 1 to be what TLOU part 2 is in terms of technology. They even said it looks the same and in some ways better.
So if that is true, how is this marketed as rebuilt for ps5? Haptics? 3d audio? That stuff could be added in without issue. It's minor details vs the raw power the ps5 has in order to make this remaster potentially jaw dropping.
My take is that this remake would run identical to TLOU part 2 if it was released on ps4. So they are giving us a ps4 quality remaster with a patch for added fps. The same as the ps5 patch does on TLOU part 2.
Hard pass.
Meh, it looks pretty, but it plays the same as the other 9 year old game.
80 euros for this is ridiculous.
I'll wait for it to hit the PS+.
Also I find it funny how they kept referencing that visually this is what they had in mind 10 years ago when they made it, but they were limited by the technology, but dont talk about how the actual gameplay and level design was also limited to the technology, but that part they saw no need to change.
80 euros for this is ridiculous.
I'll wait for it to hit the PS+.
Also I find it funny how they kept referencing that visually this is what they had in mind 10 years ago when they made it, but they were limited by the technology, but dont talk about how the actual gameplay and level design was also limited to the technology, but that part they saw no need to change.
I think lighting might be better and AI/Physics are better compared to 2. Now does that qualify enough to be considered as "built from the ground up for the ps5" I don't know.
True, it was no doubt fast-tracked thanks to the leak, which ironically means the only people associated with the game that experienced crunch were on the video team.
If someone is questioning why this exists...it isn't for you. No matter how big a fan you are of the series. There's a whole slew of people younger than you, into gaming that this is made for. Your old ass can wait for part 3 or whatever. So can my old ass.
If it becomes the only talking point, it is because it is considered an important point of contention. Is the first time ND showed gameplay, so of course people are going to mention the price when the game it is not as "rebuilt" as it was infered by the combination of ND comments + the price.
Oh, they were mad alright, and that is why the other thread went to shit. Until that point, some people were praising the graphics, others where confused by the gameplay being the same (or similar), and there were a bunch of different, reasonable opinions. But then the crying started.
Bloodborne would be more justified just for the fact that the game is still 1080p and not even stable 30fps (framepacing galore), so it would benefit more from a facelift. Meanwhile you can play the already revised version of TLOU right now, and at 60fps if you want.
And just to be clear, as much as i liked that game, i wouldn't pay 80€ for a Bloodborne Remaster / Remake either.
Nor is the value of Bloodborne (now that you mention it), or anything really. And you don't know if they care or not, don't confuse critical thinking with disinsterest (or this one of those "only those who consume are real fans"?).
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Now let me ask you something: why is the criticism of the price, given the context, any different from people saying time and time again "it is the best game ever and i will buy it day one"? Why do you feel the need to acknowledge one and not the other? Because they are the same to me and you dont have to engage with either if you dont want to, and that is where the root of the problem lies: some are taking it personal, which is fucking absurd.
You like it and you want to buy it? Great. You don't for whatever reason? Also great. They are both perfectly valid opinions to post in a forum, but if you (not you in particular) only want positive opinions about something (criticizing the price of a game it is not being negative btw), then you don't want a forum, you want an echo chamber, and even if that is the case, you have many tools to ignore what you like to call with that word that starts with a t.
Well maybe there is more to this than what a brief glimpse can properly convey? ND is a very highly regarded studio which makes quality gaming experiences. You'd figure on that merit alone, most people would give them the benefit of the doubt. So maybe, until they give us a reason not to trust them, have some faith that this is going to be something worthwhile. I have zero reason to feel it won't be. Once previews and reviews start dropping, I think that would be the time to grab your pitchforks. Right now it just sounds like a bunch of premature outrage.
If someone got mad at that statement then they should get some fresh air.
It's been a while since I've played TLOU Part 2 so I can't remember exactly, but could you dodge/prone while playing as Joel?
Outrageous price aside (which should be indefensible, and yet), it's clear why they did this "remake": to promote the HBO series.
They could've waited a few years and make a complete overhaul, but nope. This game needs to be released in this time frame.
And judging by all the people in this very thread ready to go D1, I can't really blame Naughty Dog.
Hell, I can't blame Nintendo, whose practices are even worse.
The fault, as always, resides in those who enable them. The consumers.
They could've waited a few years and make a complete overhaul, but nope. This game needs to be released in this time frame.
And judging by all the people in this very thread ready to go D1, I can't really blame Naughty Dog.
Hell, I can't blame Nintendo, whose practices are even worse.
The fault, as always, resides in those who enable them. The consumers.
I think you're right. I thought I remembered a flashback sequence where you played as Joel, but it was Ellie.
loooooool
So? It's only 2 years younger than the original TLoU1, it wasn't a technical marvel and it's stuck at (sometimes sub-)30 fps, while the TLoU1 remaster was at 60fps. People have been begging for a remaster for Bloodborne for ages, they aren't comparable really.
Maybe listen to your own advice.
Yeah , they haven't just made the environments prettier, they're more alive, the old game looks good but it feels static.
It's fine to criticize, my issue is when a discussion basically devolves into and endless loop of back and forth arguments over the same points. I think that's when it's time to wrangle it in, make a separate discussion or simply lock the thread. If the entire thread were people arguing said game is the best game ever or not based on the snippets of what we've seen so far, it would be just as annoying and unproductive.
Oh damn! Sick burn! :o
Yes, imagine a dev proud of their work having the gall to upset a bunch of losers on the internet. The audacity! 🙄
Man. How dare they. We must put a stop to this!
Those evil devs can't keep getting away with this…
A Dark Souls remake like this or Demon's Souls is the stuff of nightmares.
And TLOU was held back due to limitations of the PS3 that Bloodborne was not. One is a native PS3 game and the other is a native PS4 game. A remake of a native PS3 certainly makes more sense unless you think we should attack ND for being technically competent when making games
Wat lol. Who said anything about attacking. The fact that a game is a technical marvel means there's just fewer reasons to remake it. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Yup this did it for me. Pre-ordering.
I love me some good atmosphere and this remake will have it in leaps and bounds.
I would be curious to hear if there is anyone that likes a gameplay feature in Lou1 that Lou2 doesn't have?
I feel like weapon progression and unlocking was better in 1 and the overall arsenal was better
But if those same points are important points to discuss, why should it be closed? They are discussed for a reason.
And people are not talking exclusively about the price in this thread, there is a bit of everything. The fact that you seem to think so implies you have an issue with the matter at hand, and the why is something you'll have to figure it out.