I'm going to collect my thoughts on this before replying further, but I appreciate the insight.
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I'm going to collect my thoughts on this before replying further, but I appreciate the insight.
i like some mega64 stuff, but this was mostly pretty weak. if you can look past the weak impression left by a weak opening, forspoken is a fine game, and i don't really dig this kind of pile-on.
what is going on with this thread
eh, mega64 has been going for like what? 20 years. there's bound to be some misses and if people think this is their first miss then they haven't watched mega64 videos regularly
where did i say i thought this is their first miss?
i very clearly said "i like SOME mega64 stuff" not "i like all other mega64 stuff" or even "i like most mega64 stuff"
I think the game and its dialogue doesn't lend itself well to a brief experience with it. Like what you get from a demo or watching a twitch streamer for an hour.
Most people (like me) played the demo or watched a little of someone streaming it (or both) and saw enough, assuming the tone and dialogue continue in that same way. But I'm told the tone and tenor shifts as the game goes along as part of the growth of the protagonist, which completely changes the perspective. Knowing the character grows makes them even more interesting.
But I think a lot of the reactions have been based on what was provided or experiences of those playing early on and seeing a lot of condescension and borderline abuse. Outside of context of future growth or the storyline (you don't get any of that in the demo; you're just dropped in and start fighting), opinions may have been misplaced. Even now, this is going off of the belief that the character changes as the game goes along, which I can't verify because I haven't played more than the demo. But being told that, I'm more likely to pick it up than I was when I assumed the snippet I had heard was a representation of the dialogue throughout (which is usually the case with games, making this a rarity).
I think some of you are focusing too much on the dialog complaints, to me the game also just looks mid. The gameplay never looked interesting to me (unsurprising from the FFXV team), the world looks bland, and so does the story. The shitty dialog was just enough weight to tip the scales to the "I'll never play this" side of things.
whoa, I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about other responses in this thread.
tbf, I wasn't really clear. that's my bad
so which specific poster are you referring to who expressed that they think this is mega64's first miss
I haven't played Forspoken yet, but all the criticisms I see all have to do with the story (that I don't care so much about in games) and nothing really about the gameplay, which too be honest looks like a good time.
idk I played the demo and it was trash, but a friend of mine tells me that it's because the demo puts you pretty late in the game and doesn't explain anything. The camera/aiming feels terrible though... I'm waiting to hear that they do some QOL updates before I'm interested.
People don't give Stranger of Paradise a pass because of race or gender lmao. SoP is too far gone to be taken seriously by the people that enjoy it. As an example, no matter how you changed the execution, playing something like My Way in a JRPG would always be funny. Forspoken is competent enough to attempt to make the audience try to take it seriously, but the execution is just bad enough to be off putting without being funny.
Uhhhh, It wasn't even funny? This feels like they were just trying to get two gaming stories that have garnered media attention and then tried to use that attention to get clicks. "Hey, that Forspoken game wasn't great but since it is a AAA exclusive, it is still getting a lot of attention. The Last of Us TV Show is great and is getting tons of attention. Let's do a parody video where they are now going to make a TV Show about tons of games, even ones that aren't good!"
Too forced, too try hard, took tons of effort, 2/5!
Too forced, too try hard, took tons of effort, 2/5!
i haven't gotten far enough yet for her to have killed any human, but regarding the fight in this clip, she first approached this creature from behind, not having seen all its teeth, and thought it was cute wildlife (she is an animal lover, and in particular loves cats) only to be alarmed once it turns out to be a disgusting mutated beast, which attacks her first. she kills it in self-defence, and after the fight she is high on adrenaline and relieved that she survived thanks to her newfound magical powers and thanks to protection from cuff, and that is the context in which she has the conversation in the video. you seem to think that it's some kind of trophy hunter scenario, and it's very much not that
My issue is actually that the game has legitimate things to complain about (performance, image quality, music) but people are ragging on something they don't know about. You haven't played the game so you don't know the dialogue is shitty and that's my issue. The writing is the story is fine and the story is actually pretty good and surprisingly heartfelt. If you go to the OT of the game you will see the vast majority of people in the topic are saying exactly this that the dialogue and story complaints were overblown. If you look at my own comment history I was one of those people prior to playing the game just a week ago complaining about the story. Then I actually played the game and saw it was totally overblown. I just want people to actually focus on the issues Forspoken does have (because it definitely has issues) instead of making an issue where there isn't one.
I never said people cant be racist toward this game because it was written by white characters, i was responding to someone saying that people dont understand black english and that this is all some sort of race driven hatred.
Thats just not the case, the large majority of Resetera and games media aren't alt right, and a large amount of these people thought the writing was bad. To defend the game's shortcomings by blaming it on racism, misogyny, and alt right anti wokeness is disingenuous.
Thats not to say people dont hate this game due to racism, misogyny, and antiwoke thought (or lack thereof). But those lunatics hate on most every game that has women or BIPOC in a central role
damn, was trying to find a video to show you and just spoiled the shit out of myself. i should probably just avoid conversation around this game but yes, the creature she kills before that video starts she actually approaches kindly, thinking it's a dog or something from the back before realizing its a cronenbergian fang monster. zombies she can stomach but she does express remorse multiple times about them being formerly human. as for the human antagonists she's pitted against, she's very much affected by the violence. so much so that she tries to abandon the main quest multiple times.
my personal rating for the game right now is about 8.25 or so. the lighting is disappointing and the performance/additional effects for PC are lacking as well, but the game is solid. wasn't even really hyped and planned on waiting for a deep sale but the PC demo sold me at the last minute. the open world feels sparse until you realize how fast you can move around, especially after a few movement upgrades -- between that and how fast the travel loading is, this game kind of feels like the first next-gen experience this go-around.
frey seems fine to me. i wanted to punch my tv multiple times during Tales of the Abyss, but frey just says the things that i say out loud to my screen when confronted with dumbass tropes
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Sounds like they've been playing Life is Strange too. To this day the only thing where I've heard the words awesomesauce and amazeballs.
have they been playing
have they been playing
To be honest Crisis Core should be dunked 30 points for being plain trash all around. Unfortunately big brands like Final Fantasy just get this kind of perks. See: Final Fantasy XV. Coincidentally same director for both games.
So you want me and others to go spend $70 and 40 to 50 hours of our time for a game we have no interest in? It's Square's job to make a case for their game, they failed, complain to them.
I played through the game over the weekend, and while there are a few parts that I would have said they probably should rewrite that; it was mostly better than most of what's out there, and not really that different other than her going out of her way to swear. I enjoyed most of it and don't see it as 'bad' at all. If you play it from the start you get the context, she's an orphan; she had a really rough childhood - she's going to be a little weird and angry. It's all perfectly explainable by the context. The criticism about the dialogue is just really weird; it makes you want to fight for it - because it doesn't seem to be coming from a fair/objective place.
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Staff agreed to come down harder on posts than we might have otherwise in similar threads for other games. Why is this?
We absolutely know that misogynoir (the hatred of Black women) exists, and that it always relevant in situations such as this where a Black woman is the protagonist of a major product, even if the team behind the character's creation is non-Black. We also know that when products such as these that invariably feature some notable form of representation turn out less than perfect, or even outright bad, these flaws are used as plausible deniability to continuously and exaggeratedly harp on an object of ire, either subconsciously or not.
This does not mean that such products cannot be criticized, as even Forspoken fans in here have pointed out some issues with things like the game's stability on PC or the music. Rather, it means that we have a responsibility to look at the criticism and attitudes in aggregate and see how they are serving the environment of minority inclusion staff try to foster here.
So, where does that leave us with Forspoken? Ultimately, it's an average game starring a Black woman that was released to a market dominated by white men, and here we have a forum full of white and non-Black members who have been shitting on the game for months on end for every single flaw, not only to the detriment of Black members' enjoyment of the forum as a whole, but in rebuke of their lived experience of racial bias and sexism within the game industry. This has come somewhat to a head in this thread, wherein non-Black content creators continue with the exact same behavior.
This stops today with this thread. We will be harder on the inflammatory rhetoric and side-eye worthy jokes in Forspoken threads than we've been in the past. Drive-bys and anything that can be construed as being dismissive of the valid issues at hand will be hit as such, with standard two week bans going out and escalations happening to members with similar priors.
Happy Black History Month.
Staff agreed to come down harder on posts than we might have otherwise in similar threads for other games. Why is this?
We absolutely know that misogynoir (the hatred of Black women) exists, and that it always relevant in situations such as this where a Black woman is the protagonist of a major product, even if the team behind the character's creation is non-Black. We also know that when products such as these that invariably feature some notable form of representation turn out less than perfect, or even outright bad, these flaws are used as plausible deniability to continuously and exaggeratedly harp on an object of ire, either subconsciously or not.
This does not mean that such products cannot be criticized, as even Forspoken fans in here have pointed out some issues with things like the game's stability on PC or the music. Rather, it means that we have a responsibility to look at the criticism and attitudes in aggregate and see how they are serving the environment of minority inclusion staff try to foster here.
So, where does that leave us with Forspoken? Ultimately, it's an average game starring a Black woman that was released to a market dominated by white men, and here we have a forum full of white and non-Black members who have been shitting on the game for months on end for every single flaw, not only to the detriment of Black members' enjoyment of the forum as a whole, but in rebuke of their lived experience of racial bias and sexism within the game industry. This has come somewhat to a head in this thread, wherein non-Black content creators continue with the exact same behavior.
This stops today with this thread. We will be harder on the inflammatory rhetoric and side-eye worthy jokes in Forspoken threads than we've been in the past. Drive-bys and anything that can be construed as being dismissive of the valid issues at hand will be hit as such, with standard two week bans going out and escalations happening to members with similar priors.
Happy Black History Month.
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