User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying sexual assault allegations.
Why wouldn't we assume she is telling the truth if there is literally no reason to doubt her?
Considering the stakes and the timing there is reason to doubt her.
Why wouldn't we assume she is telling the truth if there is literally no reason to doubt her?
The timing that it's been corroborated she told two other people right after the assault happened, in 1993? She also tweeted, in October of last year, that there was more to her story than previously revealed.Considering the stakes there is reason to doubt her, especially considering the timing.
Considering the stakes and the timing there is reason to doubt her.
any chance we can replace biden with Bernie before we run a rapist as the democratic nominee??
The timing that it's been corroborated she told two other people right after the assault happened, in 1993? She also tweeted, in October of last year, that there was more to her story than previously revealed.
Farrow's producer for NBC, who helped him break the Weinstein story, says he never would have gone public with her report if he didn't find her highly credible.
So again, what reason do we have to doubt her?
Extremely unlikely imo. Biden will likely try very hard to minimize these allegations, while the party itself rides or dies with him. I don't expect any DNC officials to call on him to step aside and give the nomination to anyone else, let alone Bernie lol.any chance we can replace biden with Bernie before we run a rapist as the democratic nominee??
Well, I agree that he should release those records. But that has nothing to do with casting doubt on Reade for no reason, when all narratives designed to do so have failed.Changing your allegation from harrassment to assault is a big deal. There has to be more than her word and the word of close family/friends. That's why Biden should release any and all Senate records with regards to allegations of misconduct (for this and anything else for that matter).
Changing your allegation from harrassment to assault is a big deal. There has to be more than her word and the word of close family/friends. That's why Biden should release any and all Senate records with regards to allegations of misconduct (for this and anything else for that matter).
If he refuses to do so it's grounds for everyone to call for his head.
There is way more evidence supporting the allegations against Biden than there were against Kavanaugh. Liberals are going to have to reckon with their disparate reactions to them and how they're not so different than conservatives in this respect. Democrats have not changed at all since the days of covering for Bill Clinton.
Considering the stakes and the timing there is reason to doubt her.
only if you're feeling protective of Joe. You can give her some benefit of some credence without condemning Joe, unless there is a real drive to want to believe what Joe says over her.Considering the stakes and the timing there is reason to doubt her.
Yep and Reade even stated as much herself. She said she didn't even consider it sexual assault at the time and felt she had let down Biden because of the way he reacted when she pulled away. Like she did something wrong. There is a lot to process, especially when it's someone you admire. It's a shit feeling.I don't know legally, but 30 years ago people didn't talk about it as assault unless there were ripped clothes, bruises, and an ambulance ride. The bar between harassment and assault was much higher culturally.
There is way more evidence supporting the allegations against Biden than there were against Kavanaugh. Liberals are going to have to reckon with their disparate reactions to them and how they're not so different than conservatives in this respect. Democrats have not changed at all since the days of covering for Bill Clinton.
Biden has seven.
So, I believe he's up to 8 total accusers, all of them inappropriate touching, but the 8th is also accusing sexual harassment and rape. Not really sure if it's even worth pointing out the differences in this regard anymore. Once you're accused of rape, to me, it doesn't matter if it's one or 10. You're now an alleged rapist with multiple accusations of misconduct.
So, I believe he's up to 8 total accusers, all of them inappropriate touching, but the 8th is also accusing sexual harassment and rape. Not really sure if it's even worth pointing out the differences in this regard anymore. Once you're accused of rape, to me, it doesn't matter if it's one or 10. You're now an alleged rapist with multiple accusations of misconduct.
It's really a bad comparison to make in terms of who is worse in this regard.
"LegendofJoe"? Never thought he'd have an Era account.Without people who worked on the Hill at the time corroborating that an assault allegation was filed (or the record itself), then yes we can't automatically assume that she is telling the truth. This is especially the case when you consider the political ramifications.
I think Biden's Senate records should be released, if he refuses to do so then he should be pressured to withdraw from the nomination.
So, I believe he's up to 8 total accusers, all of them inappropriate touching, but the 8th is also accusing sexual harassment and rape. Not really sure if it's even worth pointing out the differences in this regard anymore. Once you're accused of rape, to me, it doesn't matter if it's one or 10. You're now an alleged rapist with multiple accusations of various misconduct with women.
It's really a bad comparison to make in terms of who is worse in this regard.
Of course it matters how many people are accusing someone of rape. Multiple accusers with claims that are consistent between them makes for extremely damning evidence. Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby even without criminal convictions were each far beyond a "he said, she said" situation exactly for this reason. Multiple women accusing Biden of rape would change this thing instantly.
Of course it matters how many people are accusing someone of rape. Multiple accusers with claims that are consistent between them makes for extremely damning evidence. Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby even without criminal convictions were each far beyond a "he said, she said" situation exactly for this reason. Multiple women accusing Biden of rape would change this thing instantly.
I was talking about a moral standpoint, not based on how strong it makes corroborating evidence. Once you have multiple allegations of misconduct and also an allegation of rape, I don't think the varying degrees of shittiness matter. Of course they matter in actions becoming completely damning and undeniable. But there is already more than enough corroboration here for me to be morally done.this is nonsense. one accusation of rape vs 10 accusations of rape are quite different.
also, many times people who rape or sexually assault people don't do it once. they usually aren't normal family people who suddenly turn and rape someone and then return to normal at the snap of the fingers. ie trumps huge list, because he's a scumbag, has always been a scumbag, and will always be a scumbag.
i'm not throwing water on reade's story, just saying a point not in her favor is beyond inappropriate touching and such, biden's a pretty normal guy with a normal record. it's hard to convince me, and many people i've spoken to about this, that biden suddenly for the first time in his life, turned evil complete rapist and then snapped back to his current form and maintained it for decades. you can believe women while also understanding a couple pieces of circumstantial evidence is hard to throw someone completely under the bus for.
now if more separate allegations of fucking rape come out against biden between now and november, that's a bit different of course
I was talking about a moral standpoint, not based on how strong it makes corroborating evidence. Once you have multiple allegations of misconduct and also an allegation of rape, I don't think the varying degrees of shittiness matter. Of course they matter in actions becoming completely damning and undeniable. But there is already more than enough corroboration here for me to be morally done.
I'm giving my personal opinion in regards to morality, not providing commentary on credibility.
i'm not throwing water on reade's story, just saying a point not in her favor is beyond inappropriate touching and such, biden's a pretty normal guy with a normal record. it's hard to convince me, and many people i've spoken to about this, that biden suddenly for the first time in his life, turned evil complete rapist and then snapped back to his current form and maintained it for decades. you can believe women while also understanding a couple pieces of circumstantial evidence is hard to throw someone completely under the bus for.
You're not just throwing water on Reade's story with that utter horseshit, you're throwing water on every victim that never got justice because their abuser was "just a normal guy".
I can't believe the shit I see scrawled in this place. Enough is enough.
so in your world, one piece of evidence is equal to 100 pieces of evidence? and circumstantial = physical? you don't work in the courts do you? please for the love of god say no
so in your world, one piece of evidence is equal to 100 pieces of evidence? and circumstantial = physical? you don't work in the courts do you? please for the love of god say no
I've said the corroboration we've got with is enough, that's my personal opinion. Some of those behaviors (inappropriate touching) align with the 7 other accusers. I have no interest in comparing which evidence was more damning between Biden and Kav. Plenty of publications have highlighted Reade's credibility along with the people she's told. Rich McHugh, a guy who helped break the Weinstein story, says he never would have published Reade's story if he didn't find it highly credible. This is not going to look any better for Biden as we move forward.The Kavanaugh comparisons are not made from the standpoint of morality. It is offered as an example of the press or liberals treating one thing differently than another. The argument is the allegations are the same and therefore the different reaction can only be explained by hypocrisy.
that opinion is shared by most of the population and thankfully the court system.
do you work in the courts? your victim blaming and whitewashing of abusers would fit right in so i'm just making sure
yes, imagine the beautiful court system where we locked people away and forever labeled them a sex criminal using a couple pieces of CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence.
jesus fucking christ you people are insane. and naturally it's the same posters every single time
I've said the corroboration we've got with is enough, that's my personal opinion. Some of those behaviors (inappropriate touching) align with the 7 other accusers. I have no interest in comparing which evidence was more damning between Biden and Kav. Plenty of publications have highlighted Reade's credibility along with the people she's told. Rich McHugh, a guy who helped break the Weinstein story, says he never would have published Reade's story if he didn't find it highly credible. This is not going to look any better for Biden as we move forward.
The point I was making is that, for me, it doesn't matter if there is one rape or 2 or more when we have 8 accusers, all credible, including one accusation of rape. That's not to say those other victims wouldn't matter, of course they would and should be heard, and I would push hard for that.
Who is saying to lock him up now? We want a full investigation.
Because "he seems like a normal guy", which is the phrase that other poster is angry about, is physical evidence right? "He seems like a normal guy" is a shitty statement period
But he's not a normal guy. No "normal guy" has as many accusations as he had.so in your world, one piece of evidence is equal to 100 pieces of evidence? and circumstantial = physical? you don't work in the courts do you? please for the love of god say no
also, summarizing my post with a shit post and calling my opinion horseshit, miss me with that. thanks. that opinion is shared by most of the population and thankfully the court system. enjoy your bubble bud
by "normal guy" i meant he doesn't have a fucking history of rape. but obviously you guys are taking the piss here so enjoy the back and forth between the same 10-12 people.
so in your world, one piece of evidence is equal to 100 pieces of evidence? and circumstantial = physical? you don't work in the courts do you? please for the love of god say no
The conversation was about how many accusers Kav has in comparison with Biden. And I'm saying that doesn't matter to me at this point because Biden's actions have crossed a threshold. That's really all there was to my post.Again the issue raised in the post you quoted and responded to was with equating the allegations and number of accusers against Biden with the allegations and number of accusers against Kavanaugh. They don't warrant comparison. If you don't want to make that comparison then we both object to the post I was responding to.
The conversation was about how many accusers Kav has in comparison with Biden. And I'm saying that doesn't matter to me at this point because Biden's actions have crossed a threshold. That's really all there was to my post.
Is it that hard to believe that a powerful man in 1993, who believed a woman was sexually attracted to him would, without consent, kiss her and put his hand into her underwear when he found himself alone with her?this is nonsense. one accusation of rape vs 10 accusations of rape are quite different.
also, many times people who rape or sexually assault people don't do it once. they usually aren't normal family people who suddenly turn and rape someone and then return to normal at the snap of the fingers. ie trumps huge list, because he's a scumbag, has always been a scumbag, and will always be a scumbag.
i'm not throwing water on reade's story, just saying a point not in her favor is beyond inappropriate touching and such, biden's a pretty normal guy with a normal record. it's hard to convince me, and many people i've spoken to about this, that biden suddenly for the first time in his life, turned evil complete rapist and then snapped back to his current form and maintained it for decades. you can believe women while also understanding a couple pieces of circumstantial evidence is hard to throw someone completely under the bus for.
now if more separate allegations of fucking rape come out against biden between now and november, that's a bit different of course
seriously, a very bizarre post. and once again sexual assaulters and rapists are usually repeat offenders
AlrightThen again, we both disagree with the post I quoted and responded to.
just like ACAB doesn't literally mean every single cop, every single one, is bad,
Is that honestly necessary in your eyes at this point? It feels like many have already decided. Is it possible you would change your mind?
It means the Dem's lose 2020.
The frantic last moment dash to put someone up else will look weak and disheartening to voters.
Thanks Joe, thanks a bunch.
Yeah I'm just gonna say that this is very problematic thinking. Basically textbook confirmation bias.biden's a pretty normal guy with a normal record. it's hard to convince me, and many people i've spoken to about this, that biden suddenly for the first time in his life, turned evil complete rapist and then snapped back to his current form and maintained it for decades
Nobody has a history of rape until they rape someone, so Biden does have a history of rape. Rape is rape, someone who does it once or 10 times is still a rapist, not a "normal guy". You could point to a ton of awful people who seemed like "normal guys".by "normal guy" i meant he doesn't have a fucking history of rape. but obviously you guys are taking the piss here so enjoy the back and forth between the same 10-12 people.