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fuck yeah dude going out having a great fucken time for one
the lack of social responsiblity and government failure has definetly been a sobering experience for my faith in insitutions and fellow americans
Republicans everywhere believe that a good economy will somehow get Trump a win in November, so they're opening everything up regardless. They've also unleashed their minions on state run TV to peddle conspiracy theories in the hopes of making the virus seem less deadly than it is.
Can't report death counts if nutjobs keep pushing health officials out of office!
Eh, protests don't seem to be contributing much, perhaps because the people likely to attend are also like to take other precautions, like wearing masks.
Americans are selfish and fail to see the bigger picture. They are unable to put aside their notions of personal freedom for the greater good.
I'm being serious. I'm American.
Yep, this is the main problem. Also, most American's seem to think that because they are bored of it, the pandemic is now over.
Of course, social distancing is better than not. But early indications are that these sustained spikes or increases are not rooted in the protests. It's from the reopenings and all the people who have stopped taking precautions.
Definitely from the reopenings but I need to see your definition of precautions. Is social distancing a precaution? I was at the protest in front of the Brooklyn Museum and I did not see social distancing.
Dem governors are trying to placate R state legislatures as best they can, and even Dem govs fall to business interests even if they have the leg and governorship. $ > lives in America ain't exactly new.
The effects of the protests on spread might be mitigated by several factors (including the increased likelihood of people protesting already having had the disease, and/or being young enough that it isn't as immediate a health threat to them directly), but that doesn't mean there won't be a delayed effect once they start to leave the protests and resume interaction with at-risk parties.
I mean I'd like to believe everyone who protests is going straight into self-quarantine afterward, but we all know that's not happening. It's more likely that they've just been spreading the virus amongst themselves during the course of the protests and are going to become the shrapnel in a viral bomb once they break ranks and start flooding into businesses in re-opening cities.
Back in January or so when this was still just a problem in China and no one here cared I started seeing the stats on how many people die of the flu. My reaction was that I was surprised and that people should really stay home when they have symptoms and that more people should get the flu shot. We should reduce that number.
Selfish people, however, decided that more people dying from a different disease is no big deal, because the flu also kills people.
You're not contradicting anything I'm saying. I'm not going to claim that zero cases have stemmed from protests, but so far and in aggregate the increase of cases and deaths have not correlated to protests, but rather to reopenings. We've seen various reports on this. The people protesting have generally been taking more precautions (ie. masks) than the other people going out in public because they don't care and want to celebrate capitalism.
That's a little unfair. Governors have to balance their budgets based on state constitutions. Trump and Republicans in Congress refuse to provide aid to states and local governments even though the federal government has the power to print money. They're stuck between doing what's best for everyone's health and gutting government services for years to come.
Can't rule out delayed effects, no, but blaming the current increase on the protesting doesn't fit the facts.
The United States, right now, is probably closer to 200,000 dead U.S. citizens as a result of COVID-19 than the "official" number around ~120,000. This is such a monumental, historical fuck up/tragedy, it is both simultaneously unbelievable and incredibly believable, considering the United States I've known in my lifetime.
Yes, those are business interests being more important than lives. I understand it's between a rock and a hard place, but America is great at creating that spot and saying fuck y'all we'll bail out the megacorps again instead of helping you. Even on a state level, fuck it, take out as many loans as you have to with whoever you have to. They don't really seem to be doing that.
if they make this summer as careless as they seem motivated to, yep.
This is exactly it. I'm in disbelief that this happened in a modern year like 2020. You would think that the US' highly educated specialists would be listened to because they're the best of the best. But no, the government just values $ over lives, so science isn't really that important it seems! It's fucked up.
Would have been 2 billion deaths in the US if not for most good response of the US executive branch.
On April 28th they predicted 74k deaths by August
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ojected-at-over-74000-by-august-idUSKCN22A0VL
Reminder this model has been repeatedly over optimistic.
Here was their total death projection 2 months ago tomorrow.
Here was their total death projection 2 months ago tomorrow.
It's not even actually "money over lives", because having hundreds of thousands of American adults dying is incredibly expensive and would have an enormous depressive effect on the economy regardless of the quarantine.
It's really just sheer, blinding incompetence and gob-smacking tribalism. COVID-19 safety is a "left" thing and everyone on the "right" has to be opposed to everything on the left, we can't just have common fucking sense anymore.
It's seriously depressing.
I have been thinking about quitting my job, cause we don't need the money and my wife's job is far safer. We are supposed to wear masks, and people have mostly been good about it. But, today a coworker decided to take his mask off for a little bit for some fucking reason. No fucking joke, I got home tonight and got an email from the store his girlfriend works at saying an employee just tested positive for covid. Literally the one mother fucker that decided to loosen up today is the one most likely to be exposed already!
Fuck me.
I wouldn't be surprised if we surpass that at this point. My sisters and I aren't letting our parents go back to work (Chinese restaurant industry), we're just gonna support them for the time being.
Is NY going to spike again before wave 2, it's been 3 weeks since the protests and I don't think the numbers spiked yet from everyone being around each other.
My local gym in California just reopened last Friday, it is so packed and very few people even wear a mask.(I did not go in). And many people have been clustered together in mass gathering for 2 weeks every day in the downtown to protest. Everyday with nearly 20k new report cases across all states and highest death tolls in the world, everyone in America seems to feel "get used to" the number. People I talk to said they feel like the early lock-down methods are unnecessary and government from all levels regardless of political party just give in and adapt"herd immunity" anyway.
That's quite scary that even in Asian region like Hongkong/South Korea and with much lower cases report number people always wear masks and most of the public gathering and activities have been all canceled or postponed. Beijing now discusses a relockdown because of new report of cases.
That's quite scary that even in Asian region like Hongkong/South Korea and with much lower cases report number people always wear masks and most of the public gathering and activities have been all canceled or postponed. Beijing now discusses a relockdown because of new report of cases.
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We're going to pass that. It would only take an average of about 800 deaths per day to hit that mark and we're at a 7 day average of about 700 now. If some place hits a big wave then we'll assuredly for up. If LA or somewhere else dense really gets hit then it's game over. But even outside of massive spikes we're likely at a low on deaths now since we're opening up so much. Things will tick up.
As other said, that's just official. We're already near it with excess death.
More astounding is that a president presiding over this would even have a chance at a victory at all. Everything about the federal response has been an unmitigated disaster.
As other said, that's just official. We're already near it with excess death.
More astounding is that a president presiding over this would even have a chance at a victory at all. Everything about the federal response has been an unmitigated disaster.
This is spot on. The fact that science and wearing masks has become associated with being "liberal" is fucking insane.
My brain hurts
"This is America we needour essential breath" is EASILY the most cursed comment i've heard in a long while
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
National Center for Health Statistics
www.cdc.gov
This page is what most people should be looking at.
It includes deaths from COVID, influenza, and pneumonia. The last two currently should not be that high.
The total is at over 170K.
The OC health official also quit after threats and being compared to Hitler. She couldn't bear it, and her temporary replacement is ready to remove masks.
Honestly, it's republicans, and democratic inability to do anything since there's only one house with a majority.
This feels closer to reality than the previous models which were obviously going to be blown past long before they predicted. The real question is how many deaths there really are including the ones being diagnosed as pneumonia.
You'll probably have to wait for some scientific studies after this is all over that will start taking a look at all the available death statistics (not just COVID 19 but everything) and make estimates that try figure out how much of the currently reported not-COVID-19-but-totally-COVID-19 deaths are possibly COVID-19 (related) deaths.
These "BUH MY FREEDUMSz!" people are usually nothing more than eyerolling fodder when it comes to COVID
But that 3rd lady who alluded to George Floyds death has a special place in hell
