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Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault by two women with whom he was in consensual relationships and is the subject of a police complaint in New Zealand.

Gaiman's position is that he strongly denies any allegations of non-consensual sex with the women and adds New Zealand police did not take up his offer of assistance over one woman's complaint in 2022, which, he says, reflects its lack of substance.
However, New Zealand police said it made a "number of attempts to speak to key people as part of this investigation and those efforts remain ongoing", adding that there are "a number of factors to take into consideration with this case, including location of all parties".

The allegations span two decades and concern young women who came into contact with Gaiman – the 63 year-old bestselling author of The Sandman, Good Omens, and American Gods – as a nanny to his child and as a fan of his writing.
Scarlett, 23, alleges that Gaiman sexually assaulted her within hours of their first meeting in February 2022 in a bath at his New Zealand residence, where she worked as a nanny to his child. Tortoise understands that Gaiman's account is that they only "cuddled" and "made out" in the bath and that he had established consent for this. His position is that, over the three-week sexual relationship that followed, they only ever engaged in consensual digital penetration.

Scarlett alleges that within this otherwise consensual relationship Gaiman engaged in rough and degrading penetrative sexual acts with her. Tortoise has seen contemporaneous messages, notes, and spoken to friends who Scarlett talked to at the time, which supports her allegations.
The second woman, K, was 18 when she met Gaiman at a book signing in Sarasota, Florida in 2003. She began a romantic relationship with him when she turned 20, and Gaiman was in his mid-40s, but alleges that she submitted to rough and painful sex that "she neither wanted nor enjoyed." In one incident she alleges Gaiman penetrated her despite her asking him not to as she was suffering from a painful infection. Gaiman's position is that he denies any unlawful behaviour with K and is disturbed by her allegations.

Tortoise understands that he believes K's allegations are motivated by her regret over their relationship and that Scarlett was suffering from a condition associated with false memories at the time of her relationship with him, a claim which is not supported by her medical records and medical history.
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Exclusive: Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault - Tortoise

Author denies allegations by two women who had been in consensual relationships with him.
 

Tansut

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Tortoise understands that he believes K's allegations are motivated by her regret over their relationship and that Scarlett was suffering from a condition associated with false memories at the time of her relationship with him, a claim which is not supported by her medical records and medical history.
Woooooooow
 

mbpm

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fucking hell. I've just read one of his books and thought it was among the better ones I've encountered this year and was looking forward to diving in more
 

necrolysis

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Jul 25, 2018
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Oh god damn it. I really hope, if true, these women are able to get the justice and closure they deserve. This is my favorite author, by a wide mile, but if he's ultimately proven to be a creep, then I hope the punishment is fitting for what he's done to the victims.
 

jph139

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's not something I'm happy to see.

Obviously have to wait and see and let things take their course and all that but... damn.
 

cinch

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Feb 17, 2019
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noooo Neil Gaiman i'm fucking crushed :( hope the victims find justice
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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How reputable is this source?

This is devastating.

The video states that these two women have never met before but are saying similar allegations and both had relationships with Gaiman. Not good.

They also state that one woman came forward, causing them to investigate, which then led them to another woman.
 
Feb 16, 2022
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That's a big fucking shame if true. Damn it, Neil. Even if it had been consensual, you should've known better than going after people young enough to be your child or grandchild, jfc.
 

Dary

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Oct 27, 2017
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Even if everything was consensual, the implication is he deliberately employed fans in their late teens/early twenties as babysitters to get it on with them? That's, eh, not a good look...
 

Jugendstil

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Oct 25, 2017
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This sucks. Obviously it's all "alleged" but even if it was consensual, both situations sound pretty scummy anyway.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can't even believe this. His work means so much to me.

Why do people have to be such shit.

He met that one girl when she was 18. That's just beyond weird.
 

Mariolee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Extremely disappointing, and brave of these women to step up. I am so sorry for what they had to endure.
 

Thorrgal

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Oct 26, 2017
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"(Gaiman) believed Scarlett was suffering from a condition associated with false memories at the time of her relationship with him, a claim which is not supported by her medical records and medical history"

Really?? That's his defense??
 

mbpm

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Oct 25, 2017
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"(Gaiman) believed Scarlett was suffering from a condition associated with false memories at the time of her relationship with him, a claim which is not supported by her medical records and medical history"

Really?? That's his defense??
That sounds like not even a real condition
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think the allegations are true and I believe the women but I watched the video and this appears that this is being used to promote a podcast?????? Again I think this is true but using real sexual assault allegations to promote your podcast is weird as hell to me.
 

Wereroku

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah even if it was consensual it's still big power imbalance between both parties in both cases.
 

Mezentine

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the allegations are true and I believe the women but I watched the video and this appears that this is being used to promote a podcast?????? Again I think this is true but using real sexual assault allegations to promote your podcast is weird as hell to me.
If this is verified then I'll take it extremely seriously but yeah I would like to see at least one other reputable outlet run this story
 

JCG

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Oct 25, 2017
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If true, that's very disappointing and shameful to put it lightly. At best, the age gaps and power imbalance issues are obvious, so that's already troubling.

I'd need to listen to the podcasts in full (or read other detailed reporting) to make up my mind about the particulars. Conceptually, it's an inherently difficult and complicated subject, because assault can definitely happen even in the context of an otherwise consensual relationship, both before and after consent was given for other actions.
 

CDX

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Oct 25, 2017
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…promoting a podcast?

What is Tortoise? Are they actual journalists? I legit have never heard of that organization or company before.

Have any reputable news organizations of note picked up on this story? Are they reporting basically the same thing?

If this is even remotely part true it's terrible.