Sure, there are rules.
Unless you can make them a shit ton of money through marketing and promotion.
That being said, I don't have a problem with this.
She came out her mom a Japanese citizen lol.
Sure, there are rules.
Unless you can make them a shit ton of money through marketing and promotion.
That being said, I don't have a problem with this.
Except she is. Do you live in Japan or speak Japanese? Naomi Osaka is arguably the most popular female athlete currently in Japan. She's universally loved there, attracts huge audiences to events and tourneys when in Japan, and dominates the news whenever she's playing a match. When she has faced racism in Japan, such as with the two aforementioned comedians, everyone rallies around her. In this case, the talent agency and broadcaster of those two comedians faced swift backlash, with thousands of phone calls demanding that the comedians apologize, be taken off the air, etc. Likewise, Osaka received a ton of supportive messages from Japanese fans on Twitter, Instagram, etc. Finally, when she chose Japanese citizenship today, social media and news websites are full of comments from happy Japanese fans that can't wait to see her at the Tokyo Olympics representing Japan.Yeah which is why I'm not too confident she made the right decision. She's not going to be regarded as positive in Japan as she might hope.
Yeah which is why I'm not too confident she made the right decision. She's not going to be regarded as positive in Japan as she might hope.
Being half black and taking Japanese citizenship seems like a bad long term decision for her mental health. Although I guess we have racism issues too.
She speaks and understands Japanese but she has stated she isnt confident with speaking it all the time.
Why does Japan have a rule like that? Is it a xenophobia thing? I always thought if you are a duel citizen its no biggy.
Just seems kinda petty to make someone choose lol.
Why does Japan have a rule like that? Is it a xenophobia thing? I always thought if you are a duel citizen its no biggy.
Is that why I see her literally every day in advertisements here in Japan?Yeah which is why I'm not too confident she made the right decision. She's not going to be regarded as positive in Japan as she might hope.
When visiting the states, they'd have to apply for ESTA and do all that stuff?
Look no further than Ariana Miyamoto for evidence of that. There is an element in Japanese society and pop culture of welcoming and celebrating the foreigners who bring glory to Japan, ala the foreign athletes on the various national teams and pro sports teams. They talk about how great Japan is, bring awareness to their respective games, and help Japan win on an international stage. But God forbid a foreign ball player in Japan come close to breaking a Japanese player's record. Whenever a foreign baseball player comes close to breaking Sadaharu Oh's HR record, they'll be intentionally walked to make sure the Japanese player's record is preserved. This kinda shit happens a lot in Japan. The foreign players are a curiosity, a novelty, and a means to an end, but they are not Japanese or equal to Japanese in the eyes of many Japanese people.
What an example to use... Did you know that Sadaharu Oh is a Japanese-born & raised Taiwanese citizen with a Taiwanese (Chinese) father?
This is a very interesting story. I'm American, living in Japan with a Japanese spouse, and we have a 4-year-old boy who is currently a dual citizen. I always thought the age to decide was 20, but I guess it's actually 22. Either way, I'm really hoping that by the time my son is that age, Japan will have come around on the "no dual citizenship" policy. But who knows what the state of the world will be like at that time. Maybe that'll be the last thing on our minds. Maybe this is naive, but in cases like Naomi's, or my son's, when they give up their US citizenship, are they granted any other kind of US status? Like special permanent residency or something like that? Or are they stripped of literally everything? When visiting the states, they'd have to apply for ESTA and do all that stuff?
With Naomi, yes she is very popular. But I think it's important to make the distinction that she is very popular *right now*. What about when her tennis career is over? Also, being loved or being popular has nothing to do with being accepted as a Japanese person. People will be happy about this news, because it means potential medals for Japan in the Olympics. But if you ask people if Naomi is Japanese, many people will say no. Look no further than Ariana Miyamoto for evidence of that. There is an element in Japanese society and pop culture of welcoming and celebrating the foreigners who bring glory to Japan, ala the foreign athletes on the various national teams and pro sports teams. They talk about how great Japan is, bring awareness to their respective games, and help Japan win on an international stage. But God forbid a foreign ball player in Japan come close to breaking a Japanese player's record. Whenever a foreign baseball player comes close to breaking Sadaharu Oh's HR record, they'll be intentionally walked to make sure the Japanese player's record is preserved. This kinda shit happens a lot in Japan. The foreign players are a curiosity, a novelty, and a means to an end, but they are not Japanese or equal to Japanese in the eyes of many Japanese people.
I guess my point is just that, for Naomi, it's not going to be as easy as some people seem to be suggesting. She's popular now, but if Naomi is putting any stock in the idea of her being truly accepted as a Japanese person, she's gonna be in for a rude awakening. I'm sure she already knows this, though.
Also, I am pretty sure a foreign born player DID beat his record (or at least one of the big ones) a few years ago.
I don't follow baseball that closely, but I remember it on the news as Oh is a legend.
Didn't know that you literally cannot compete as a dual-citizen. That really shouldn't be a thing.
Yeah which is why I'm not too confident she made the right decision. She's not going to be regarded as positive in Japan as she might hope.
very surprised she's picking japanese citizenship over US
she doesn't even speak japanese right?
does she not have enough confidence to think she won't get picked by US national team?
Was it her, or the umpire that they were pissed at? Her win was overshadowed by drama on the court.
To those who said renouncing her US citizenship was a bad idea, let's remind ourselves this:
This isn't new. Owen Hargreaves is a Canadian that played for England because his parents are British. The only difference was that nobody cared because it was Canada.She can speak a little Japanese and understand more. And she's learning.
The reality is she is an American, but one of Japanese (and Haitian) descent and she wasn't getting her opportunities under her America citizenship.
It's impressive that she decided to stick with Japanese, now that she is successful she could play as an American and get those opportunities she had previously missed, Ireland's recently had an English born player (of Irish parents) play on the national football team and decide to transition to England later and piss off everyone in the country.
And Osaka-san is loved by Japan, from businssemen to housewives I've spoken to countless who love her and none, at least to this Gaijin, questioned her Japanese-ness or her skill.
Her face is all over Japan.
Why does Japan have a rule like that? Is it a xenophobia thing? I always thought if you are a duel citizen its no biggy.
This isn't new. Owen Hargreaves is a Canadian that played for England because his parents are British. The only difference was that nobody cared because it was Canada.
when they give up their US citizenship, are they granted any other kind of US status? Like special permanent residency or something like that? Or are they stripped of literally everything? When visiting the states, they'd have to apply for ESTA and do all that stuff?
Answering as someone who has been through the process. You get no status whatsoever and are effectively a foreigner, through you might have an advantage applying for long-term visas in the future (Green Card included) if you have family members who are still citizens. You can only reclaim citizenship if you can convince the government that you gave it up under duress or coercion. Otherwise, you are back to square one like any other alien.
As someone already answered above, you need ESTA to visit the country if you have a Japanese passport. It is a painless process, however, not that expensive ($14 to process), and lasts for two years.
You are, however, "shamed" in the Federal Register if you renounce. Your name is literally published as someone who renounced US citizenship. For whose reference, I have no idea, but it definitely comes off as a kind of blacklist. So, you can look forward to seeing Naomi's name in this quarter's edition.
Was it her, or the umpire that they were pissed at? Her win was overshadowed by drama on the court.