Pretty sure he makes a remark about slanted eyes at some point in the movie. But Bill Murray's character is supposed to be a bit of an asshole at that point.
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Movies that haven't aged well
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I honestly don't recall this anywhere. I could be mistaken. And not to make room for racism, but your point about him being an asshole character at times is true.
Yeah, no getting around the fact that so many 80's comedies just wouldn't fly today.
But man, being of a different place and time it's hard to not still feel nostalgic for them if you were around to see them back in the day.
16 Candles, Breakfast Club, Animal House, Trading Places, Revenge of the Nerds are among my favorites of all time.
Esp. 16 Candles. Tied with Amélie as my #1 fave.
But man, being of a different place and time it's hard to not still feel nostalgic for them if you were around to see them back in the day.
16 Candles, Breakfast Club, Animal House, Trading Places, Revenge of the Nerds are among my favorites of all time.
Esp. 16 Candles. Tied with Amélie as my #1 fave.
There's a scene at a restaurant where he mentions something about a "black toe" with a really bad accent in reference to the toe Scarlett injured earlier.
Yeah, I also do not think that LiT is racist or didn't agre well. It's still a very good movie that actually does portray Japanese/Tokyo culture in a very endearing way, but I guess I could see the argument of it aging poorly.
Uh, what? How exactly did this not age well? The rape scene is very awkward, but it didn't not age well insofar that it was always a very weird, awkward scene.Oh which reminds me:
These two
There's Something About "Blade Runner" | Features | Roger Ebert
A new look at the role of hero and villain in Ridley Scott's "Blade Runner."www.rogerebert.com
As for that article, as another poster here has pointed out: I'm not too sure about Blade Runner portraying Deckard as the hero. To me, Roy Batty was always a far more relatable and noble character than Deckard who was always super scummy.
Maybe Ridley Scott doesn't see it that way, but that's the beauty of art... what the creator thinks is the meaning isn't necessarily what everybody has to think it means.
Ace Ventura is a very funny comedy, but the ending has not aged well at all.
The vast majority of Farrelly Brothers movies have aged awfully.
Not that Boat Trip is problematic, but it does sort of have a good message at the end in which the homophobic character learns that gay people are good caring people and all his fears are things he should be ashamed about. It's def a product of it's time.
Dude Where's My Car is pretty transphobic in areas, it really ruins what used to be a fun movie for me.
Edit: I love superbad but all the faggle jokes really are cringeworthy now. The whole movie is also all about getting their crushes drunk so they can get with them, but the ending message is that they were wrong for that and to get the girls to like them, all they had to do was be themselves. So it's problematic with a positive message I guess?
Dude Where's My Car is pretty transphobic in areas, it really ruins what used to be a fun movie for me.
Edit: I love superbad but all the faggle jokes really are cringeworthy now. The whole movie is also all about getting their crushes drunk so they can get with them, but the ending message is that they were wrong for that and to get the girls to like them, all they had to do was be themselves. So it's problematic with a positive message I guess?
Movies age all the time in a variety of ways, but I can't think of a movie that I loved once and then later despised.
I guess the closest to that is maybe The Dark Knight (or even Nolan in general). From think it was a modern classic to being mostly indifferent about it. I was more impressionable in my youth I guess. :p
The Farrelly comedies have always been awful, never liked them.
Excuse you.
Agreed. The CGI has held up impressively well too all things considered, and when it comes to providing a real sense of adventure I'm not sure a single movie has done it better since.
I guess the closest to that is maybe The Dark Knight (or even Nolan in general). From think it was a modern classic to being mostly indifferent about it. I was more impressionable in my youth I guess. :p
The Farrelly comedies have always been awful, never liked them.
Excuse you.
Agreed. The CGI has held up impressively well too all things considered, and when it comes to providing a real sense of adventure I'm not sure a single movie has done it better since.
I'd say Avatar's straight-faced white savior storyline has gotten worse over time. The unapologetic nature of the trope becomes amplified with the aliens obviously being based on Native Americans for visual shorthand.
Always maintained Avatar would've been vastly more interesting if Cameron made the aliens look 'alien' rather than blue humanoids.
Always maintained Avatar would've been vastly more interesting if Cameron made the aliens look 'alien' rather than blue humanoids.
My problem with the Blade Runner scene is that it's deliberately played as a romantic scene with the sexy saxophone music.
If Deckard was truly meant to be a scumbag in that scene the framing should have been different.
Which is a fair criticism and I agree that the music makes that scene really awkward feeling, like Scott really thought that he was portraying some sort of deeply romantic scene. However, I still do not think it has aged badly, because despite the music, the scene itself is pretty in line with the rest of the movie portraying Deckard as an incredibly flawed person.
I mean, in a thread where we have comedies that made light hearted fun of some pretty damn heinous shit and basically encouraging it, the Blade Runner scene is really mild.
Pivoting away from all the sex crime stuff for a bit, I think having lived through the political climate of the past 5 years has really taken all the edge out of political conspiracy and technothriller type movies for me. There's no way I can derive any catharsis any more from climaxes where the protagonists finally get the big bad secret out in the open showing news anchors covering everything and the antagonist paying for what they've done. Because we know for sure now that isn't how things go down in the real world.
I think the movie works a lot better if you think of it as a metaphor for Vietnam instead. Like, the soldiers in the end literally just look like Vietnam era Jar Heads.
I also think the white saviorism, while a little cringe, is kind of the point of the film. Like, the Jake Sully character comes from a dogshit culture that has totally abandoned him and he literally leaves it behind in the end. The film mentions that he lost the use of his legs after serving in conflicts in Nigeria and Venezuela - both regions populated mostly by people of color with large oil surpluses. Furthermore, the film specifies that the medicine exists to help him walk again, but he literally can't afford it because in the future we still have the same craven venal shitty cobbled together healthcare system that we have now.
So yeah, he is a white guy who does cool shit and saves the population with his neato skills, which is kind of lame. But he also does so largely by providing enemy intel that only someone from the opposing side could do. Idk. I think overall the film's politics, while a little cringe, are actually surprisingly good and straightforwardly anti-imperialist, especially considering it came out while the Iraq War was still grinding on.
Ya they make a joke about R/L a couple times at least. I don't think that's racist? It's a common occurrence with translations between Japanese/English?
Reading this thread, It seems like comedy is the genre that holds up the least over the course of time. Interesting.
Yeah the T&A always felt so out place. Half the time they would just have some big breasted woman cast for that particular scene.
Another one from that same period was the incredibly weird insertion of white people writing these incredibly stupid scenes for black people. So many of those movies have these weird scenes with exaggerated "jive talking". I feel that changed when Hollywood Shuffle made fun of it.
I don't agree at all with the people citing Dark Knight. That movie is just as good as it was on release. Nolan can really put together an amazing scene. Seeing DK and Interstellar in IMAX is something that would still be incredible if it was released today.
Not the only one with LGBTQ-phobia.
Ace Ventura is a very funny comedy, but the ending has not aged well at all.
I like a good deal of this movie, but that shower scene...
Not the only one with LGBTQ-phobia.
I like a good deal of this movie, but that shower scene...
Reminds me of one of my favorite comedies Dumb and Dumber, that bathroom rape is not great nowadays. Wasn't good then either.
At least the smell of the turd goes away after it desiccates.
I was showing my wife Total Recall for the first time the other day, and we couldn't believe how dated it looked. Either we're misremembering what 90's movies looked like, or its visual style makes it look way more dated than it is.
It still has a lot of charm though, because it has that whole "what the past thought the future would look like" aesthetic going for it.
I watched this for the first time last year specifically because I had kept hearing about how poorly it aged, and... yeah. It's like it was written by a horny 13-year-old boy.
Revenge of the Rapist
Never watch Porky's. That movie is stratospherically horny.
Huh, I'm 19 and while I love that movie, I always assumed that it was very much an 80's movie just from the general aesthetic and and direction of the movie. It does look old though for a 90's movie.
While I agree about the anti-imperialist themes being the main point, this becomes muddied when the movie tries to have its cake and eat it too. Avatar's White savior trope within the narrative might not be from malicious intent, it's still pretty uncritical about a white guy who joins a fetishized(bordering on noble savages trope) 'native' culture and becomes the savior. He becomes the leader alien not long after learning their ways, gets the culturally important big dragon-bird thing, helps the aliens prepare for the war and unites all the 'tribes', and gets with the chief's daughter. Metaphor can only work so far when the film slaps you continually with its blatant, uncritcal tropes.
Related, the music of avatar has some hilarious implications
Same. I loved these movies when I was young, but watching them now all I hear is one racist joke after another. The movies still have a lot of heart so it hasn't ruined my ability to watch them but I can't laugh at them anymore.
Really, if it's a 1980s comedy, any time a queer (or queer-coded) character shows up it has probably aged poorly (or rather, was never funny in the first place, but society thought otherwise). Just about the only exception I can readily think of is in Risky Business, and that scene is kind of astounding since it's a kid being pranked by having a black trans(?)* prostitute called over to his house and somehow it isn't the worst thing ever.
* I say trans because the character isn't specified as being trans or a drag queen, and it's dubious whether the people making the movie understood the difference, it being the 1980s.
* I say trans because the character isn't specified as being trans or a drag queen, and it's dubious whether the people making the movie understood the difference, it being the 1980s.
The funny thing is that a lot of good movies from the period 1935 till 1965 have aged much better and have a more timeless quality than movies from the period 1965 till 1995. How good movies age from the period 1995 till 2025 has yet to be seen but somehow I think they also have a lot more timeless quality than those from 1965 till 1995.
Sensibilities change. Comedy is largely written based on what audiences find funny or acceptable at the time and now just looks horrific. Even 10ish years ago you had people mocking the idea of gay marriage in huge comedies like it was the sickest most absurd thing ever.
For my pick, I say The Birth of a Nation aged like pure shit. It is pure Klan propoganda that set eh country back decades.
How can you forget that classic Bond song from Madonna?I guess I'll die another day...
Don't tell me the Frighteners aged badly. I haven't seen it in over a decade but I loved that movie at one point.
But it still had one of the best lines ever,
"Fat, drunk & stupid is no way to go through life son."
I feel like John Hughes stuff from 80's is a hit or miss. Sure, the Van Wilder and Revenge of Nerds, 16 candles,etc might not have aged well. But Ferris Buellers Day Off and Planes, Trains and Automobiles aged just fine. Absolutely classics.
Yea on a recent rewatch I liked seeing some things like Lee outsmarting Carter or doing his thing and when Carter is being genuine with Lee. But 95% of what Carter says is dumb stuff in numerous ways lol
Out of interest I'm wondering what the last big hit mainstream comedies were that were so casual about Homophobia, transphobia or racism with no backlash at the time of release
The 'you know how I know you're gay' exchange from 40 year old virgin and the transphobia in Hangover 2 spring to mind but has there been much since?
I would assume there's evidence of transphobia more recently though
The 'you know how I know you're gay' exchange from 40 year old virgin and the transphobia in Hangover 2 spring to mind but has there been much since?
I would assume there's evidence of transphobia more recently though
This. I watched it like 10 years ago after a co worker was hyping it up. I hated it. Total waste of time and not funny at all. I never trusted him again after that piece of shit.
I'll always love LiT though.
I watched last week and that did pop out to me but that's about it. I was in the bathroom for the prostitute scene but imagine that could be something as well with the rip v lip thing. But that's not quite the same i guess
Probably the "lip my stocking" bit is what they're talking about
Unfortunately it's one of my favorite movies ever so
