Mobile Suit Gundam: Hathaway coming exclusively to Netflix on July 1st
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Reconguista in G is set 500 years after Turn A Gundam, and Turn A Gundam is set 500 years after the end of the UC era.
Tomino said G Reco takes place 500 years AFTER Turn A
The G Reco cap that Tomino worn during the event won’t be commercialized. I edited the post as I added more tweets and found a partial transcription here. It’s by Inuyou, a nice person …
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The novel did, but there's no indication that the movie does too. It's just a small change in who Hathaway actually kills in CCA.
Which in and of itself was a gigantic retcon and makes no sense. My whole point is there's no need to treat the background story of G-Reco seriously because Tomino himself was just trolling at that point.Reconguista in G is set 500 years after Turn A Gundam, and Turn A Gundam is set 500 years after the end of the UC era.
Tomino said G Reco takes place 500 years AFTER Turn A
The G Reco cap that Tomino worn during the event won’t be commercialized. I edited the post as I added more tweets and found a partial transcription here. It’s by Inuyou, a nice person …
Yeah exactly. I know what the change is. Just didn't want to spoil for anyone who hasn't watched CCA.
We don't know yet if it follows CCA or the Beltorchika's Children version. Which the slight difference being how Hathaway
Was the one to kill Quess or if it was still Chan that did.
I was pretty confused by this movie's plot, even though I've read/watch most of the major UC stuff. Plot aside, this movie was pretty fucking good. The visuals were jaw droppingly beautiful, everything from the fantastic 2D animation to the 3D, to the way scenes were directed in the 3D spaces. It perfectly blended 2D and 3D to get the best of both worlds.
There's a scene that really stands out to me where a Gundam is flying and watches a bunch of explosions out in the horizon and then the camera pans to a building getting attack. Normally there wouldn't be much here but because of the 3D they were able to pan the camera to really make you feel the distances between the locations which in turn gave you a great sense of scale.
Speaking of scale, the action scenes also nailed that aspect. Gundam isn't a stranger to having scenes where people are running around while Gundams are fighting around them but I think this movie does that better than any other. Seeing plasma falling around people and burning things, or seeing buildings crack under the weight of Gundams was really cool. The action scenes had tons of little details like that that made those scenes really accelerating.
The more I think about it the more I think this might be my favorite Gundam movie.
There's a scene that really stands out to me where a Gundam is flying and watches a bunch of explosions out in the horizon and then the camera pans to a building getting attack. Normally there wouldn't be much here but because of the 3D they were able to pan the camera to really make you feel the distances between the locations which in turn gave you a great sense of scale.
Speaking of scale, the action scenes also nailed that aspect. Gundam isn't a stranger to having scenes where people are running around while Gundams are fighting around them but I think this movie does that better than any other. Seeing plasma falling around people and burning things, or seeing buildings crack under the weight of Gundams was really cool. The action scenes had tons of little details like that that made those scenes really accelerating.
The more I think about it the more I think this might be my favorite Gundam movie.
Yeah I agree with this. Definitely from a production value perspective this is probably the best in the franchise and way better than the last couple that came out (I rewatched NT after I watched this and the difference in animation quality is staggering), and I don't think the plot is that much harder to follow than your standard Tomino fare.
I dont think Tomino was trolling, with stuff like Kuntala the guy was clearly serious. Its more that Tomino just doesnt care about the specifics. An example is Operation British, he cares about the the general idea which is that Zeon dropped a colony onto the Earth and killed billions of people, but he doesnt care where it dropped, which is why he never bothered to explain that.
The general idea is that some time has past since the Universal Century, and that Reconguista in G comes after Turn A Gundam, how many years doesnt really matter as long as it over a couple hundred.
Between 0083, Unicorn, and this movie, UC definitely has the best animation of it's OVAs/movies, granted they probably get the biggest budgets, but still
After finishing unicorn, all i could think was: "well, this is it, the last great UC storyline animation" oh boy did this movie prove me wrong...
If they can keep up this quality with the remaining movies, we're in for an amazing ride.
One wonders if post-CCA events in UC would have been plotted differently if Sunrise had decided on doing AUs (well, beyond "soft-AUs" like Dragonar) around 1990 instead of thinking that Tomino, Gundam, and UC are all inseparable, thus consistently luring him back for the F91 series-turned-movie and Victory. I mean, isn't this whole UC Next thing basically a means decades after the fact of connecting the familiar events with the disparate late UC stuff (where basically similar things recur)?
Though with Tomino, perhaps it would be just as cyclical even without Bandai pressure (assuming he would even return to Gundam at all.)
IIRC the producer said they had only recently started production on 2, so it might be more than another year. The location scouting had been delayed by covid.
I hope whatever comes from UC Next they manage to tone down the newtype magic. It honestly didn't need to go much further than Axis shock. Unicorn got ridiculous by the end and NT was just...wtf
Ugh... covid... thanks for the info man. Could get lost googling that stuff.
Yeah in NT, Unicorn Phenex is literally the most OP Gundam based on what it can actually do. It became quite ridiculous indeed.
I honestly don't think Newtype stuff was that crazy in Unicorn. Since 0079 it allowed them to communicate in some way with the dead, have premonitions, enhance their senses, etc. I guess the craziest thing that happened in Unicorn was
Banagher basically using some kind of light time travel shockwave that stopped the Federation mobile suits by reverting their components back to, like, before they were built or some shit. There's the whole blocking a colony laser thing but that took two Newtypes and two Unicorns. The Full Frontal and Banagher psychedelic trip seemed to be more like they were looking at visions of the past. They weren't actually time traveling right? In NT the Phenex basically did the same thing the Unicorn did but to those bombs. With experimentation and I'm guessing innate ability, Rita basically became a completed Newtype. My hope is that most characters are very far from achieving that and she was just a special case. I definitely don't wanna see any more of those OP abilities. I think Banagher was on his way to becoming that before Riddhe snapped him out of it by telling him he was gonna steal his girl.
So the timeline here is Original Gundam -> 2 other series -> Chars Counterattack -> Unicorn -> Hathaway? Am I getting that right? Didn't Unicorn end with some kind of big event that changed the nature of the universe?
Eh, kind of. It ended with proof that the Federation intentionally hid one of the provisions of the Universal Century charter that promised spacenoids, or more specifically Newtypes, a bigger say in the government. This is part of the reason that the Federation consistently downplays Newtypes, as evidenced by Hathaway saying that they teach that Newtypes don't exist.
You can see with the advance of time to F-91 and Victory that the Federation was losing influence/control but it didn't have an immediate large impact.
There is supposedly a Unicorn sequel in the works that is rumored to depict the final fall of Neo Zeon since they're in NT but not in Hathaway.
The Federation also seems to be prohibit the research, development, and use of Psychoframes after NT which would explain why they're not really a thing in F91 and beyond
In Hathaway, is is also revealed that
the Federation is suppressing knowledge about Newtypes. Hathaway and Gigi mention that they were taught in school that Newtypes don't exist.
Did I miss something where the federation started pulling Titans-esqu war crimes again? Is Hathaway being a terrorist supposed to be sympathetic? (except I guess so far he's only strongly suggesting everyone leave earth instead of dropping an asteroid)
But I got the feeling that interacting with regular people on the ground he was starting to have doubts, so maybe that goes somewhere in the next two movies.
But I got the feeling that interacting with regular people on the ground he was starting to have doubts, so maybe that goes somewhere in the next two movies.
Yep, need it badly too.
I just finished Reconguista and it was terrible.
Well he was a kid during Char's rebellion and a newtype so he probably saw how all the conflicts revolved around Federation vs Colonists, how shit kept getting dropped on Earth and was slowly destroying it, and figured all this conflict would "go away" if everyone just moved into space
How??
I had to read the Wiki entry for the novelization to find out what the hell was going on. The Federation started up the Man Hunter unit to forcibly relocate the poor and underprivelaged back to space to make room for the wealthy. From that viewpoint, I am 100% on board with Hathaway. Shame they did such a poor job explaining that in the movie (it was alluded to in a brief line when Hathaway was buying souveniers).
Though I agree somewhat especially about the Nu Gundam which IMO is the pinnacle of Gundam design, I still love the bulkiness of Xi and Penelope. But I have always been a sucker for the more bulkier Gundam's like the Double Zeta.
In CCA and Hathaway, you see that the Federation is forcibly deporting people to space using the Manhunter units in order to combat the environmental crisis.
However, the elite class of Federation officials and those who are connected with them exempt themselves from this
Hathaway wants EVERYONE regardless of their social standing to leave earth
Just recently I finished Unicorn which was my first exposure to the UC timeline. I liked it a lot, so I watched the first 10 mins of Hathaway and can already see that it has the potential of being amazing.
Also, the german dub is pretty good?
Anyways, I stopped since this gave me the final push to watch the original movie trilogy first, followed by Chars Counterattack. Helps that those are all on Netflix. Not sure if I'll also go through Zeta since it's recommended to avoid the movie and to watch the full tv series and I don't know if I'm up to that.
As for the first Gundam movie that I just watched, it didn't age that well, haha. Especially the way some of the male characters talk around women, e.g. Amuro.
Also, the german dub is pretty good?
Anyways, I stopped since this gave me the final push to watch the original movie trilogy first, followed by Chars Counterattack. Helps that those are all on Netflix. Not sure if I'll also go through Zeta since it's recommended to avoid the movie and to watch the full tv series and I don't know if I'm up to that.
As for the first Gundam movie that I just watched, it didn't age that well, haha. Especially the way some of the male characters talk around women, e.g. Amuro.
Honestly, I wasn't bothered by that detail being left out, and knowing its a trilogy I'd assume it would come up in a later movie. I feel like the explanation being
Hathaway has become a terrorist that's rooting out corrupt government officials that are obviously abusing their power
See, I didn't get any of that.
Really wish they had spent more time fleshing that out.
It definitely should have been more spelt out. Especially since the movie stretched a 1 hr plot into a 1 hr 35 min movie.
I think it would be fine for a TV series or an OVA series where you have the implicit understanding that this would be episodic and not every episode would necessarily have a proper story arc. But for a movie trilogy, it just doesn't work. Maybe they should have made it an OVA like Unicorn instead.
I have made two attempts to watch it... So i will echo the "how?"
I think they might be intentionally toning down how oppressive the Federation is about forcing people into space compared to the novels since it's not something that's mentioned in other animated works, but it does make Hathaway's actions more questionable.
Oh forgot about that line. I guess that cements what timeline we are on.
I think it changes because they use Nu Gundam in Intro
Not important? I thought it was supposed to show why psychoframe tech was never researched again, and why you never hear of it post CCA/Unicorn (well, until Angel Halo in Victory).
I do vaguely remember saying it's too dangerous or something but nothing about them saying they'll stop. I think they said they wanted to keep the Unicorns locked away? We'll probably get a more definitive answer in Unicorn 2. NT's just bad. I never wanna see Jona again.
It's on a timeline of future works that they posted:
Gundam: Hathaway Film Trilogy, Overseas Gundam UC2 Drama Teased
Briefly shown in timeline during event that announced Gundam NT anime
There is no set release date for Hathaway 2 due to the COVID-19 Pandemic making location scouting in Australia difficult.
The reason Hathaway 1 looks so good is because they did extensive location scouting and material gathering in the Philippines for the background art:
What would the purpose be?
Gundam needs to try new things. not remake anime that look perfectly fine.
A trilogy series isn't super functionally different from a theatrically released OVA series. By the end, it was pretty obvious that Hathaway wasn't going to be a one off.
I think F91 would be worth remaking since it was so heavily compromised as a movie, and its follow up is a manga only series that relatively few have actually read. A reboot that combines the original series plans of F91 (or at least redoes the movie's events over a longer period of time) with Crossbones would be worth it imo.