Without first party on release the two services are completely different beasts
Ring me up when sony do something similar I'll give my annual money for it
Ring me up when sony do something similar I'll give my annual money for it
GamePass receives a ton of praise. Like, all the time. How much more praise do you want OP?
"More praise. Even MORE praise. GIVE ME MORE PRAISE!"
Suspend/resume just about loading times, but simply returning to precisely the point I was at. I could be half way through a boss fight, about to finish a race, or simply in the middle of some fiddly inventory juggling. There are lots of points where it's valid to want to return to rather than resuming from the last validated save file.if loading times will really be drastically reduced on next gen consoles, the need for such a feature naturally diminishes.
Without first party on release the two services are completely different beasts
Ring me up when sony do something similar I'll give my annual money for it
Yeah, the reasons why decisions are taken hardly matter.This is exquisite.
The mental gymnastics required to criticize a company for simultaneously being pro consumer and doing what's best for business. The nerve of Microsoft.
Yeah, then for example BOTW or Mario Odyssey wouldn't be sold in 13+ million copies. Not to mention GOW, Spider-man, Horizon etc.
GamePass has been shown to have a significantly increase sales.
https://m.windowscentral.com/xbox-game-pass-increases-game-sales-and-playtime-says-microsoft
Almost certainly xCloud will "be" GP. The two complete each other.I once thought EA Access was amazing but Game Pass massively overtook that. The variety of games being added, the amount of games on the service and 1st party titles being added, is amazing value. Interested to see what part Xcloud plays in it, if at all.
Cd3 is not a goty for sure (being generous) so I don't think is a good example
Cd3 is not a goty for sure (being generous) so I don't think is a good example
Without first party on release the two services are completely different beasts
Ring me up when sony do something similar I'll give my annual money for it
There are first party releases on PS Now though, not the latest ones mind, but there's a good selection on there imo.
As of now there is:
- Ape Escape
- Alienation
- Beyond: Two Souls
- Bound
- Bloodborne
- Dead Nation
- Everybody's Tennis
- Everybody's Golf
- Flow
- Flower
- GOW series (except the latest edition)
- Gravity Rush Remastered
- Heavy Rain
- Hohokum
- Ico
- Infamous 1 & 2 plus Festival of Blood
-Journey
- Killzone Series (except Vita version)
- Knack
- LocoRoco and LocoRoco Cocoreccho!
- Motostorm Apocalypse and RC
- Puppeteer
- rain
- Ratchet and Clank (A Crack in Time, All 4 One, Nexus, QForce, Quest for Booty)
- Resistance 3
- Shadow of the Beast
- Shadow of the Colossus HD
- Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
- Sly Cooper Collection
- Sound Shapes
- Tearaway Unfolded
- The Last of Us + Left Behind
- The Unfinished Swan
- Tokyo Jungle
- Twisted Metal
- Uncharted 1, 2 and 3
- Until Dawn
Edited to add: these are all published under SIE.
Na a bad game Is a bad game no matter where or how it sold
Quality of the games is fine on PS Now, they're mostly old ones though. In that sense Gamepass is a much better value for money proposition. A plus for PS Now would be that you can play these games anywhere via the streaming option. Both serve a different purposeIt guess it does but it feels like an afterthought and nowhere close to the quality of Gamepass in both first and third party.
He said 'on release'. Most of those, if not all, were added to the service long after their initial release.There are first party releases on PS Now though, not the latest ones mind, but there's a good selection on there imo.
As of now there is:
- Ape Escape
- Alienation
- Beyond: Two Souls
- Bound
- Bloodborne
- Dead Nation
- Everybody's Tennis
- Everybody's Golf
- Flow
- Flower
- GOW series (except the latest edition)
- Gravity Rush Remastered
- Heavy Rain
- Hohokum
- Ico
- Infamous 1 & 2 plus Festival of Blood
-Journey
- Killzone Series (except Vita version)
- Knack
- LocoRoco and LocoRoco Cocoreccho!
- Motostorm Apocalypse and RC
- Puppeteer
- rain
- Ratchet and Clank (A Crack in Time, All 4 One, Nexus, QForce, Quest for Booty)
- Resistance 3
- Shadow of the Beast
- Shadow of the Colossus HD
- Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
- Sly Cooper Collection
- Sound Shapes
- Tearaway Unfolded
- The Last of Us + Left Behind
- The Unfinished Swan
- Tokyo Jungle
- Twisted Metal
- Uncharted 1, 2 and 3
- Until Dawn
Edited to add: these are all published under SIE.
GamePass receives a ton of praise. Like, all the time. How much more praise do you want OP?
"More praise. Even MORE praise. GIVE ME MORE PRAISE!"
Funny how Netflix can survive without movie theaters.Based on what you wrote they have zero reason to cater you. No way could AAA gaming survive if this was the common sentiment. Be thankful the rest of us are subsidizing your hobby.
How many of these can you stream and download? Its PS4 downloads only right? So i dont think you can say the service provides gamers with certainty about being able to play these games, which to me is a major issue. A choppy internet connection (we all get it at times) means a large portion of the service is unusable.
Quality of the games is fine on PS Now, they're mostly old ones though. In that sense Gamepass is a much better value for money proposition. A plus for PS Now would be that you can play these games anywhere via the streaming option. Both serve a different purpose
He said 'on release'. Most of those, if not all, were added to the service long after their initial release.
Oh no!!! Lolol. Really this thread alone proves that people don't understand the ridiculous thing MS are doing with Gamepass. It's an absurd amount of games (new games too) at the highest console quality (on x) for $10 a month. The first party games come and just stay and I have been surprised and impressed by the quality of 3rd party AAA and AA on the service. Let's just say this, if you play a lot of games on the Xbox platform and you don't have Gamepass you are being stupid at this point.Thread backfire lol
If anything MS gets too much credit for this, and they use that credit to dodge a ton of legitimate criticisms about the way they continue to handle this generation
As a PS Now sub, I've gotta agree with this. It's been pretty disappointing so far. Every time I see or hear about Gamepass additions I'm always envious.It guess it does but it feels like an afterthought and nowhere close to the quality of Gamepass in both first and third party.
Depends which first party we're talking about :pYou all are acting like getting all AAA $60 first party releases on day one for $10 a month is some small thing.
Well hate to break it to ya, there is no rolling this ball back up this hill unless Microsoft pulls a Sega Dreamcast next gen. I rather sub to a service than drop $60 Everytime a exclusive comes out.People still wanting to buy and own their games is not a sad reality.
I vastly prefer the PS Now lineup, but, I wish it was cheaper. Game pass is a nice value, but, I also kinda fear the future of subscribing to every service out there to play games.
I'd prefer this not become the standard.
Well hate to break it to ya, there is no rolling this ball back up this hill unless Microsoft pulls a Sega Dreamcast next gen. I rather sub to a service than drop $60 Everytime a exclusive comes out.
Suspend/resume just about loading times, but simply returning to precisely the point I was at. I could be half way through a boss fight, about to finish a race, or simply in the middle of some fiddly inventory juggling. There are lots of points where it's valid to want to return to rather than resuming from the last validated save file.
Tetris DX had an amazing implementation of suspend/resume. The game would auto suspend when you paused the game, so turning on the Game Boy would simply return to the pause screen. You didn't have to select an option, it was just like this by default. I once kept a marathon Tetris game going for three weeks of commutes.
You weren't going to buy a PlayStation console and play their first party games in the first place.Yes they absolutely do, they have single handedly changed the way I consume games. I no longer buy games at ALL.
So it's kind of hard to play playstation exclusives nowadays, outside of renting or library. I really hope Sony jumps into this bandwagon and releases their own similar service, with every single 1st party game on day 1. Because if they don't I just cant see myself buying a playstation console in the future.
Yup.
Must agree.Yes they absolutely do, they have single handedly changed the way I consume games. I no longer buy games at ALL.
So it's kind of hard to play playstation exclusives nowadays, outside of renting or library. I really hope Sony jumps into this bandwagon and releases their own similar service, with every single 1st party game on day 1. Because if they don't I just cant see myself buying a playstation console in the future.
Yup.
EA Access has over delivered for me this gen.Assuming you keep all the copies forever and get every game on day one.... yeah the sub is a better deal in that particular case.
Just doesn't apply to everyone because of deals and the ability to sell your 60$ copy for 40$ once you finished the game.
That said, I feel like we've been through all those arguments back and forth on GAF when EA Access launched.
Having more games does not = more value, a lot of those games are just filler and it's better to download than strema currentlyOP should have done some research before making this thread.
PsNow came before gamepass
Has more games
Is doing really well
You can play on PC via streaming
As we've seen over and over again with subscription services they all start out at an enticing value but gradually raise the price and lower the quality once they have the audience. .
Netflix Wants to Keep Making Movies. It's Borrowing More Than $2 Billion to Do It.
The cash will be used to finance its cash-burning business producing original shows and movies. It ended up borrowing more than the $2 billion it had originally planned, after the offering was met with strong demand.
Given the market's response, you would think Netflix was generating cash, not incinerating it.
Investors bid for at least three times the amount of debt on offer, and early price talk indicated that the 10½-year dollar bonds were expected to yield 5.5%. The bonds would need yields of 5.6% or higher to offer a good value to investors, according to a Tuesday note from CreditSights.
The sale will leave the company—which is rated three tiers below investment grade—with more than $12 billion in bonds outstanding. That is slightly more than six times the size of its earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) from the past year. Regulators have said that leverage above six times EBITDA "raises concerns for most industries."
The existence of such a sizeable debt burden raises the stakes in the company's long-term plan to generate cash and make a profit. Netflix says it burned $3.2 billion in cash over the past year. Moody's isn't currently forecasting that the company will start generating cash until 2023, but does expects pre-tax earnings to grow quicker than its costs and debt this year and next.
Netflix reported net cash flow for the quarter of negative $380 million compared to negative $287 million during the same period last year. The company said it now expects its 2019 free cash flow deficit to be greater than the negative $3 billion previously expected, coming in at negative $3.5 billion. Netflix said the larger deficit was due to a change in corporate structure and investments in real estate and infrastructure.
The company previously said cash flow would remain consistent in 2019 compared with last year's total of negative $3 billion. Netflix said it still expects free cash flow to improve next year and the years after. The company previously said 2019 will be its peak for cash burn, after which it expects it to fall.
Netflix is a prime example. Shrinking content offering, higher prices, more worthless "first party" content that no one really wants and/or isn't good.Hu? Where does that come from? Who/what do you have in mind? I would say it is the opposite, sub services get better the more members and the more money they generate.
Have to agree with all those saying Gamepass gets too much credit. I'd rather own games and have permanent access to them, it seems like a disaster waiting to happen if people are going to go all in on these services.
As we've seen over and over again with subscription services they all start out at an enticing value but gradually raise the price and lower the quality once they have the audience. Ushering people into the net is actually a bit gross.
It seems inevitable that people will spend years on this service, spend hundreds and eventually realise it's a bad deal once the terms change and leave with no lasting return for their cash. Maybe some just see games as a one time consumable thing that they'll never have a desire to play again? That's a pity if so.
Netflix is a prime example. Shrinking content offering, higher prices, more worthless "first party" content that no one really wants and/or isn't good.