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McConnell privately says he wants Trump gone as Republicans quietly lobby him to convict
- Thread starter Taka
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The levels of bullshit is staggering.
The fuck would McConnell be afraid of ANYONE at Fox? This dude is one of the most powerful folks in the United States. If he wanted to get in the ear of Rupert Murdoch he could.
The only thing he's concerned with, is whether his useful idiot is still useful. If Trump is a liability, then he's done. And it sounds like he's a liability.
I mean, it really is simple. Trump is now toxic. If he runs again, that fucks with any other viable conservative candidate. If he starts his own party, it splinters the conservative base. Mitch needs to get rid of Trump, so Trump will be convicted, and will no longer be able to run for office. Problem solved.
I'm willing to bet money on it. Trump is done.
The fuck would McConnell be afraid of ANYONE at Fox? This dude is one of the most powerful folks in the United States. If he wanted to get in the ear of Rupert Murdoch he could.
The only thing he's concerned with, is whether his useful idiot is still useful. If Trump is a liability, then he's done. And it sounds like he's a liability.
I mean, it really is simple. Trump is now toxic. If he runs again, that fucks with any other viable conservative candidate. If he starts his own party, it splinters the conservative base. Mitch needs to get rid of Trump, so Trump will be convicted, and will no longer be able to run for office. Problem solved.
I'm willing to bet money on it. Trump is done.
Repubs made a deal with the devil, time to pay the price i guess.
Well, that's what happened when they lost the White House AND Senate control in one election.
Murdoch probably wants Trump gone too and will have told Mitch probably.
Also, he lost his biggest platform and loudspeaker. I think it's hard to overestimate just how much that neutered him as a political figure.
This whole thing reminds me of the story of Ken McElroy. In brief, he was a bully that terrorized a small town for years, stealing, raping, burning down buildings, beating, and shooting people, but for whatever reason the justice system was unable to deal with him. It all came to a head one day when 60 people surrounded his truck and shot him to hell. When the sheriff drove down and asked what happened, the people said they didn't see anything.
That's what the GoP may end up doing metaphorically with Trump. They're tired of him, and if they can just take him off the board and then go on like he never existed, that's very attractive to a certain subset of them.
That's what the GoP may end up doing metaphorically with Trump. They're tired of him, and if they can just take him off the board and then go on like he never existed, that's very attractive to a certain subset of them.
It's all about the math for Mitch and co. Which option harms the GOP less. Sticking with Donny and risking moderate and undecided voters, or turning on Donny and risking losing his loyal base which could splinter off and turn on the GOP. Ideally they want to avoid having to publicly do either.
As bad as Trump is and the whole insurrection I wouldn't put is past Mitch and the GOP counting on the public having a short memory and riding out the storm without acting one way or the other. That's why he's so against addressing this ASAP. The longer it takes to try Trump in the Senate the more ambiguous the GOP can be in their stance on it. They don't give a damn about morals and principles, just about maintaining power at all costs.
As bad as Trump is and the whole insurrection I wouldn't put is past Mitch and the GOP counting on the public having a short memory and riding out the storm without acting one way or the other. That's why he's so against addressing this ASAP. The longer it takes to try Trump in the Senate the more ambiguous the GOP can be in their stance on it. They don't give a damn about morals and principles, just about maintaining power at all costs.
If they convict Trump they alienate half their base. If they don't he runs again in 2024, perhaps not even as a Republican.
It's a lose lose!
It's a lose lose!
It benefits them to have him ineligible for office via impeachment seeing as he kinda tore their party down with him. He'd likely split the ticket if he ran as anything other than the nominee. I also think that at this point, he played a huge role in losing them the senate so he's definitely a threat regardless.
They'll do it to stop him from running, not because they feel it is the good and righteous thing to do.
The base will be mad if they convict, but will come back by 2024 I predict. Republicans will just call Democrats socialists/baby killers, and that will get the base to the polls. It's closer to a win-win for both parties. Republicans get rid of Trump and his ability to form a MAGA party, and Democrats convict a man who is guilty while also getting rid of any chance of him returning to the White House. But it comes down to Republicans having the spine to convict, and that's their biggest weakness.
It would be nice if Trump launched that Patriot Party to further encourage McConnell and the rest of the Republican ghouls to convict.
What's funny (in a not funny way) is that Republicans are going to bitch and moan about Trump being banned from twitter cuz "muh free speech" but are probably relieved as all fuck he doesn't have that loud horn anymore. They get to run on being against it but behind closed doors are in celebration over him and his twitter mob being "silenced".
Fear of reprisal from Fox? I'd have thought they would move onboard with a new Republican narrative sooner than anyone.
Im hoping that is the case, but ...
SNL needs to bring Larry David back to impersonate Bernie again. We need more of that in our lives.
I actually do believe it.
As the minority leader who is going to retire at the end of his term... How much power does he really have?
He understands the damage Trump will do to the party long-term. But his caucus fears being primaried and as such they aren't going to vote to convict. He has very little power, here.
screw the backlash
Repubs will fall in line once they get the party back and find more reasonable people who can advance their agenda and know how to govern responsibly
nobody wants to see that anarchy again (at least intelligent GOPers)
Repubs will fall in line once they get the party back and find more reasonable people who can advance their agenda and know how to govern responsibly
nobody wants to see that anarchy again (at least intelligent GOPers)
Are there any rules that would prevent him from having some chosen successor while he hint to his fans that he would be directing him through some other type of official role?
If not I could see him trying that, at least to stroke his ego.
It's possible in German Bundestag votes and we rank higher on the democracy index.
Not punishing a criminal and corrupt official because of fear of his base (literally when they build gallows and storm parliament) is anathema to a democracy.
The sooner they punt Trump, the sooner they can wrest party-wide messaging away from his unproductive sycophants—and build the false narrative that, oh gosh, Republicans DID always think he wasn't truly conservative or religious. Successfully impeaching Trump also lets Mitch reclaim the "I was the top dog all along" boner that he so clearly craves. Trump's deplatforming in the past few weeks, and its immediate ripple effect as conservatives shove each other around to fill in the vacuum, is all the data he needs to know this is a useful tool to reestablish Republican dominance.
Fair enough. We will beat him again in 4 years and hold every single traitor who refuses to convict accountable.
The miserable complicit cowards who failed to vote for impeachement should all be banned from public office. Self-serving traitors who have no business claiming to work for the people.
Basically this, and fuck mitch and whoever for going along with trumpism for as long as they did. The writing was on the wall in huge letters for years, and idgaf if they try to distance themselves from him now, they're all snakes
This is very true, if the GOP doesn't convict the US as it is currently constructed will not exist in 30 years. A breakup is inevitable. I will no longer have any faith in the United States and will look to divest as much as possible (i.e. get the fuck out or move as close as possible to the Canadian border).
Then do it! I swear republicans, for all their projection, are the biggest snowflakes ever.
"B-But I might get death threats", well join the club.
That said, I do think that Trump and his family's usefulness to McConnell and republicans is next to zero now and is likely a detriment so chances are high they will convict him. How long that will take is another story.
"B-But I might get death threats", well join the club.
That said, I do think that Trump and his family's usefulness to McConnell and republicans is next to zero now and is likely a detriment so chances are high they will convict him. How long that will take is another story.
There was about 150 that supported impeachment?
How about this: there were over 150 who supported the president's actions?
Yes, I would believe that considering 147 of them voted to overturn the results of the election immediately literally HOURS after the insurrection took place.
These are irredeemable fucks who have no interest in operating in good faith.
This is absolutely true. I just don't think they can do it. Republicans are fucking spineless. Just look at how they whined about death threats that Democrats get all the time.
But, there are two things that give me pause:
1. Donors are pressuring them. Removal would give those donors the easiest excuse to go back to donating. But, they probably will eventually, anyway, so...
2. Trump can't tweet. That is a huge plus for any cowardly Senators who know Trump deserves conviction, but are afraid of his reaction.
The thing is, I don't even know, myself, whether I want Trump convicted. I do - in a vacuum. No one has ever deserved it more. But, Trump's gone. It's the GOP that needs to get fucked, now. If acquitting Trump drives a wedge between them and their big donors, and maybe costs them Senate seats in 2022, then that is worth a lot.
Still, it sure would be good for the country, long-term, if history books remember Trump as the only president ever successfully convicted after impeachment.
I don't know.
Yeah, there is some legitimate 4D chess to be played here and I honestly don't know what the best moves are. Allowing Trump to continue having a presence in politics and even an unofficial leadership role in the Republican party just for strategic purposes of splitting the Right may be playing with fire.
Oh, it certainly is. I vividly remember how gleeful people on the left were - including myself, at times - watching a moron like Trump make fools of the GOP during their primary. Or, years before, cheering on Tea Party candidates in the primaries, because they were "too extreme" to win in the general election. We got burned, badly, in both cases.
Now, we're looking at the same type of calculation: can extremism harm the GOP enough that we should root for it to put up a fight? Or, should we hope the party can back off from it, and risk them being "forgiven" by all their donors and moderates?
Fuck if I know. One minute I think maybe they could calm down a little, and throw out Boebert, Hawley, and Cruz along with Trump. The next minute, I'm certain that is impossible and I just want them to become too toxic for their donors. And then I think, well, we all know those donors will be back no matter what.
I guess we should just try to convict Trump, and let the GOP decide how shitty they are.
I think the reason why McConnell wants to push the trial back to mid-February is to let the base cool off and give time for Republicans to see where the wind is blowing. If in a couple of weeks their internal polling shows Trump's relevance softening, Republicans might be more inclined to convict and take Trump off the board ahead of 2022.
even with this, I would still gladly take an impeachment so that it can reduce the chance of the orange clown being president again to 0%.