I hope Dems dont cave in. Republicans never did when they obstructed Obama. They should have a firm stance. Regardless we know how the Senate will vote whether they do "reach across the isle". Reps are bound to obstruct and defend their own at any cost. Fuck them.
The Post reports that part of their consideration is that "some Democrats were feeling pressure to advance public hearings in hopes of avoiding further disruptions." They need to get over that. The only defense Republicans have right now is bullshit process arguments, and they're trying to change the subject to that. Democrats can't let them, and that means nipping the kind of stunt the nation saw Wednesday in the bud, by coming down hard on those Republicans who stormed the secured area and delayed the deposition of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper, and compromised national security while they were at it. The way to prevent further stunts and delays like that is not to speed up the process, but to punish those lawmakers.
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Democrats need to stay the course, not be distracted by bullshit Republican antics and process deflections, and follow the process for as long as it takes to build the strongest case to present to the American public. If that means taking this into next year, so be it. The public, in steadily increasing numbers, is with them.
Also shows that McConnell is not going to take his Constitutional duty seriously after any House impeachment vote - which we already knew, but still.
Amen brother. Well said.Agreed. I'm of the same opinion as this DailyKos entry:
No need to play games with the GOP and bow to their will. Dems have always had the upper hand even when it looked like they were just dealing with "nothingburgers". The GOP can't stop this train, neither can their diminishing deplorable base.
Just continue educating the public about the process of impeachment from beginning to end (and use real life metaphors and pictures/flowcharts preferably as people tend to skip words), about the fact that we're not even in the grand jury stage of impeachment yet and the necessity for closed door depositions, and then just continue to condemn the antics of those who presume themselves to be lawyers or know something about the rule of law.
That last part is important because to win the disinformation game, you need to get in the mud and basically lob bombs against the Repubs and their lack of sense when it comes to virtually everything. And then tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up.
We're well into crisis territory and 1 side is trying to turn us into a worser banana republic than they have already turned us into, so there's really no reason to treat the Repubs as anything but the disingenuous terrorists that they are.
You mean the inquiry that is being handled like the Republican inquiry into Bill Clinton? That one?
Yes. They're posturing in the hope it never makes it to a vote.Do people still think there is a chance in hell that the Senate will choose to follow the House's impeachment?
A chance in hell? Yeah. A mere chance.Do people still think there is a chance in hell that the Senate will choose to follow the House's impeachment?
McConnell is in the running for the most evil person in government.
A wild Bolton appears!Funny, they seem a bit late after some big testimonies so something bigger must be coming.
Seems like a dumb risk unless they're 100% sure it'll pass. They're gonna get McCain'd.It'll be interesting to see where a few senators in purple states vote on this. Collins, Murkow, Romney, Gardner, time to show where your head is. Imagine if this bill actually fails.
They barely passed anything when they had both Chambers, because Trump is such a loose cannon you couldn't trust him to support something for two days in a row.It's important to note, that the GOP aren't passing policy now because they don't have the house... Trump's usefulness is starting to become a liability. If they think they'll lose the Senate and think burning Trump at the stake will help mitigate or prevent that damage, they'll do it without a second thought.
Exactly, if this was two years ago I wouldn't even think impeachment has a chance in the Senate. However, Republicans are starting to see the writing on the wall. Trump is becoming a liability to them more and more with each day, and it won't be long until they have to make the choice of going down with the S.S. Trump or get off on a lifeboat.Yes. They're posturing in the hope it never makes it to a vote.
Senators are actually very quiet about being on the record for their opinions on impeachment outside of Graham, even McConnell up until this point has barely weighed in.
It's important to note, that the GOP aren't passing policy now because they don't have the house... Trump's usefulness is starting to become a liability. If they think they'll lose the Senate and think burning Trump at the stake will help mitigate or prevent that damage, they'll do it without a second thought.
"Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah" - Moscow Mitch.
Boy, it's going to be real underwhelming when the dirt they have on Lindsey Graham is that he's just gay. Not even anything criminal, he's just gay. Then again, knowing the type of people that vote for him, he might as well get the guillotine.
Burgess Everett @burgessev
Here's Graham's impeachment resolution, supported by 39 Republicans. It would call on the House to "vote to open a formal impeachment inquiry and provide
President Trump with fundamental constitutional protections."
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/PAT19928.pdf ā¦
Of the 2020 most contested GOP-held races, Sens. Ernst, Tillis, Perdue and Cornyn support it.
Gardner, McSally and Collins are not listed as co-sponsors at this time.
3:02 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Just look at the senators having lunch with Trump today. Those are the ones Trump is worried about.I can see a lot of the Senators not backing yet just voting "present". It'll only take 4 to do that to sink it.
Burgess Everett @burgessev
Here's Graham's impeachment resolution, supported by 39 Republicans. It would call on the House to "vote to open a formal impeachment inquiry and provide
President Trump with fundamental constitutional protections."
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/PAT19928.pdf ā¦
Of the 2020 most contested GOP-held races, Sens. Ernst, Tillis, Perdue and Cornyn support it.
Gardner, McSally and Collins are not listed as co-sponsors at this time.
3:02 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Burgess Everett @burgessev
Here's Graham's impeachment resolution, supported by 39 Republicans. It would call on the House to "vote to open a formal impeachment inquiry and provide
President Trump with fundamental constitutional protections."
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/PAT19928.pdf ā¦
Of the 2020 most contested GOP-held races, Sens. Ernst, Tillis, Perdue and Cornyn support it.
Gardner, McSally and Collins are not listed as co-sponsors at this time.
3:02 PM - Oct 24, 2019
Constitutional protections? You mean that document Trump wipes his ass with daily? š¤
What are they even talking about, what is Trump being denied right now?
They're more transparent than glass. The only "fairness" they're attempting to force here is the ability to further impede the investigation. I'm so glad that the Dems are actually doing the right thing and ignoring their bullshit for once.As far as I can tell, there's no mandated timeline that requires an impeachment to move from investigation to formal inquiry to actual vote to impeach.
I do understand that by formalizing the inquiry the House does give minority (i.e. GOP) members on some committees some subpoena powers.
The Constitution only says that the House can vote to impeach. There's nothing beyond that.
Wipe you ass with...shit?
If dems werent voted in the house in 2018 trump would be getting away with all of this.
We gotta vote strong in 2020. #TakeTheSenate
Yes. They're posturing in the hope it never makes it to a vote.
Senators are actually very quiet about being on the record for their opinions on impeachment outside of Graham, even McConnell up until this point has barely weighed in.
It's important to note, that the GOP aren't passing policy now because they don't have the house... Trump's usefulness is starting to become a liability. If they think they'll lose the Senate and think burning Trump at the stake will help mitigate or prevent that damage, they'll do it without a second thought.
Yes and then I'll stuff it in their fucking faces! š
They didn't need to, public opinion opposed impeachment the whole way through.Did Dems go out of their to protect Clinton during impeachment?
Aquited by the senate or not, hes still Impeached. That stain doesnt go away.Democrats need 21 republican senators out of 52 for Trump to be impeached
it's not happening
the process will stop at that point
then it will all about the GOP messaging vs DEM messaging for 2020 elections after republicans led senate votes to stop impeachment from moving forward
FACT
The problem with that viewpoint is assuming Trump has a chance. Which he does still right now but all polling points to it getting much, much worse for Trump.
This opinion piece on Politico certainly disagrees strongly with the possibility. And I can see their point for the most part.
Yes and then I'll stuff it in their fucking faces! š
Which is also shit! SHIT!