Had to skip ahead but it seems to fall into the whole "Ellie should've killed Abby" thing that I just don't agree with.
Classic era. Boohoo person talks my fav game bad *fingers in ears* lalalalala I cannot listen to anything."I skipped to the end, it doesn't align with my view on the game, they must not have understood its themes".
After having watched the full video you can tell how many people jumping in here admitting they skimmed it and saying "he didn't get that it's not a game about nihilism" or "Ellie should've killed Abby" didn't actually watch the video.
He is thorough and gives his opinions in detail. He is good at conveying his viewpoint."I skipped to the end, it doesn't align with my view on the game, they must not have understood its themes".
It's like watching the dark knight and saying "hurr why doesn't Batman kill Joker he killed his lover". it's about the morality of the character, his ability to stop himself from being "the monster" at the end.
People can give their opinions right?
we can review a reviewer
I agree.
If you disagree with his view point after having watched the full video and how he motivates his feelings about it, then that's fine, my post doesn't apply to you.He is thorough and gives his opinions in detail. He is good at conveying his viewpoint.
its just he has some really weird ones .....
saying "flashbacks are bad design"
saying Ellie killed all kinds of people and didn't know if some people were mothers or fathers "why would she let abby go?"......
People can give their opinions right?
we can review a reviewer
It's called disagreeing. And yes that's fine but what's embarassing is the instant jerk reaction of a couple people here of skipping ahead instead of actually listening to the thing and thinking through the perspective he lays down. That just seems extremely dumb. If you have no interest in the video that's fine too! But then no need to give your shitty no substance take on it.He is thorough and gives his opinions in detail. He is good at conveying his viewpoint.
its just he has some really weird ones .....
saying "flashbacks are bad design"
saying Ellie killed all kinds of people and didn't know if some people were mothers or fathers "why would she let abby go?"......
People can give their opinions right?
we can review a reviewer
Yea it really is. I guess this story is such a jump up from any standard game story they just aren't used to it or something.
I think part of the problem here is that while in cut scenes Ellie isn't Joel, she absolutely is as much of a killer when we're playing her, ruthlessly slitting the throats of hundreds of people without breaking a sweat.There's a particular moment which I disagree with for which he describes as contrived " The lights, open windows, etc" which in the scenario of apocalyptic world shouldn't really happen, but it's been established throughout the game that Ellie herself is completely out of her depth. She's been sheltered most of her life by someone or Jackson, particularly Joel in more recent times who unlike say Joel went through some extreme times so knows what to or not (It's a reason why Jessie get's angry early game as well because Ellie and Dina do something stupid on patrol). For this reason, isn't completely surprising. Throughout the game, she tries to mimic Joel in particular what he thought he'd do but her inexperience is why she completely botches something in a pivotal moment so something basic as lights, open windows after a traumatic event as well along with a whole lot of other things makes it easy to to believe it. It's part of why he likely has a huge issue with the game because Ellie is not meant to be Joel, there's meant to be inconsistencies between the first and second for which why Joel can do what he can while Ellie might not. Ellie hasn't really thought through the consequences of her actions early game but slowly coming to the realization. The pivotal moment is also illustration because it's clear why these experiences have a greater affect to Ellie's personal Journey that to Joel. It's also a massive thing as to the ending game that all these things mount up for which she was never meant to follow Joel's path as well and why people are bothered by some not understanding why Ellie was never meant to kill Abby. All of this is kind of basic stuff, made clear by the fact that Ellie and Joel aren't even the same people even if they shared similar experiences for a while.
Had to skip ahead but it seems to fall into the whole "Ellie should've killed Abby" thing that I just don't agree with.
Skipped to the end and heard him say, "despite all the nihilistic shit in the game".
Sure dude, lol
No that's not it at all, lol.Classic era. Boohoo person talks my fav game bad *fingers in ears* lalalalala I cannot listen to anything.
Damn, can't believe The Last of Us Part II is actually Guardians of the GalaxyJust finished. He definitely didn't appreciate and enjoy the game and story on the same level I did. Oh well
Still GOTG pretty easily as far as I'm concerned.
It's so weird that big youtube "critique" channels who otherwise understood stories in other video games seem incapable of understanding the themes of messages of TLOU2.
Every TLoU fanboy is skipping to the end to see if the reviewer is lavishing praise, then responding with the person doesn't understand the story etc, when it's not a 10/10, the usual.
Damn, can't believe The Last of Us Part II is actually Guardians of the Galaxy
I got it, Naughty Dogs next game will be sci-fi based. It'll sorta be a Guardians of the Galaxy type of situation where a crew of aliens shows up on Earth, they're taking a look around and eventually stumble across Ellie! They team up and Ellie goes with them to live out her dream of going to space and experiencing new adventures. It'll be called The Last of Us: In Space.
Do it Druckmann! 😃
It's like watching the dark knight and saying "hurr why doesn't Batman kill Joker he killed his lover". it's about the morality of the character, his ability to stop himself from being "the monster" at the end.
He is thorough and gives his opinions in detail. He is good at conveying his viewpoint.
its just he has some really weird ones .....
saying "flashbacks are bad design"
Great to hear in that regard. I find the combat encounter design to be excellent.Great video, as usual.
Regardless of anyone's thoughts on the narrative of the game, and the technology that drives it, it's nice to see a review that goes in depth into the gameplay and why it is so good. It often gets lost in the shuffle and it's in my opinion (as a 'gameplay first' kinda guy) one of the strongest part of the game that is sadly overlooked
Other than some minor complains about lack of player agency and gameplay emergence due to how heavily scripted the game can be, he really liked it and praised several aspects of it, and considers it to be vastly superior to the original.
Jokes aside, a Guardians of the Galaxy type of game from Naughty Dog would be kind of awesome, wouldn't it?
So weird that people comment on videos they haven't seen, yet take one sentence summations of their themes for granted.It's so weird that big youtube "critique" channels who otherwise understood stories in other video games seem incapable of understanding the themes of messages of TLOU2.
Every TLoU fanboy is skipping to the end to see if the reviewer is lavishing praise, then responding with the person doesn't understand the story etc, when it's not a 10/10, the usual.
Did you watch his review to hear his explanation or are you hung up on YouTuber's wishing ellie killed abby because abby killed joel?Still crazy how many people don't understand why Ellie didn't kill Abby at the end. I feel like you have to had miss 99% of the plot to not get it.
It's like watching the dark knight and saying "hurr why doesn't Batman kill Joker he killed his lover". it's about the morality of the character, his ability to stop himself from being "the monster" at the end.
My dude this thread has people openly saying they didn't watch the video in full but still had to share how bad the take in the video was and then additionally there is people that didn't watch the video at all and took those comments at face value to also agree how bad the take in the video was. And yes I'm making fun of that cause it deserves to be made fun of given how toxic it makes review threads with people doing the same with written reviews and scores. It's 100% people butthurt that someone dares to have a negative/opposite view on a piece of fiction.No that's not it at all, lol.
I've seen plenty of reviews by people who are simply too emotionally invested in fictional characters (compared to myself). After a lot of reviews i'm kind of done with that. Shame he is so late with it.
it sounds more like you are the person you are describing here.
i have not played the game yet so i can't say anything about it specifically, but can people not find different themes and messages in games than others do, including ones not intended by the designers? otherwise criticism itself would be rather pointless.It's so weird that big youtube "critique" channels who otherwise understood stories in other video games seem incapable of understanding the themes of messages of TLOU2.
It's not even a negative review. There are many elements he praises, but his big problem was that major story beats didn't work for him. They did for me, and as such I'm holding the game in higher regard than he does. But I enjoyed watching this as much as the more postive takes from the likes of Girlfriend Reviews, Just Write and Noah Caldwell-Gervais.
Jokes aside, a Guardians of the Galaxy type of game from Naughty Dog would be kind of awesome, wouldn't it?
Either that or Cowboy Bebop, these are the only types of sci-fi I'm willing to accept from them, a Mass Effect style space opera would be such a waste.
Well, actually i don't have to do anything.
Certainly agree with this.Other than some minor complains about lack of player agency and gameplay emergence due to how heavily scripted the game can be, he really liked it and praised several aspects of it, and considers it to be vastly superior to the original.