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Massive row in the pro wrestling world as dozens of people are #SpeakingOut against abusive wrestlers and trainers
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Probably nothing. That shits been known and they hired her anyway.
Defending Homomphobic, sexist, racist Cornette in 2020. My goodness
Covering up for a friend and getting the accuser blacklisted I think.
That was for Pollyanna, then when his tweets got backlash he quit Twitter for a while and waited for it to blow over, and then came back with a non-apology for everyone but her.
I'm really glad they all decided to step forward and bring this up to light, good for them! And I hope all the assaulters don't get to work on wrestling again and get punished by the law.
That said 'm very disappointed about Devlin and Bank, i was a big fan of them, I really many of the UK guys.
I hope neither Dunne nor Bate happen to be pieces of shit.
That said 'm very disappointed about Devlin and Bank, i was a big fan of them, I really many of the UK guys.
I hope neither Dunne nor Bate happen to be pieces of shit.
I literally had Owen's episode on as I saw this news and Cornette came in the screen. It was weird timing.
I book guests for a wrestling radio show, and shit like this makes me wary of coming off as too nice when communicating with female talent. I've made several friends after booking them, but there's a part of me analyzing everything I say to make sure I'm not saying something complimentary but coming off like a creep. Seriously, fuck Brandon Stroud.
I can't find the tweet anymore, but it was basically a male wrestler saying Tyler Bate did something to his girlfriend. But all he did was basically come onto her, she said no, and then he stopped.
Just don't actively lust over them or ask if they want dick pics and you'll probably be fine.
In other words, treat them the exact same way as you do male talent.
That's what I do. I'm friendly with everyone. But they get it from all sides, as fans of women's wrestling can often be... unique.
AEW's handling of women re: tv times hasn't been the best apparently, so maybe that's why she didn't want to.
She had some sort of break down from what could be gleaned from posts when she returned to social media. AEW's women's handling hadn't even proven to be shit yet so I doubt it's that.
I saw some of the names earlier but GODDAMN that's a lot more than I expected. Kind of crazy how wrestling pretty much dodged a lot of this for so long.
I hope the victims get the support they need, and I hope all of the people responsible get dropped and not escape this.
I hope the victims get the support they need, and I hope all of the people responsible get dropped and not escape this.
I always thought it was widely known that Cornette was an creeper. Wasn't he caught with an Cucumber? WWE isn't going to fire anyone over Twitter allegations. Enzo actually was accused of an crime at the time. That's why he was fired. They employed Jerry Lawler and Pat Patterson.
I don't know how accurate the reporting was, but a WWE legend's name came up around the time of the Elgin stuff. Curious if that gets dug back up. It too was based on tweets.
I've spent 15 years working in the adult entertainment industry and I know exactly what you mean.
I understand the concern.
That's why I gave the advice I gave. It's easy to even say "you're so sexy" or the like and just mean it as a benign compliment. But since the have to deal with it from their fans, their agents, the other talent they work with, it can seem wrong.
Basically when working with talent I only comment on appearance when asked a direct question about it. Otherwise I leave it be.
You know, thinking about it, the Cornette thing shouldn't come as a surprise. He always put forth that the best gimmicks were the personality of the person doing it amped up. Stacey "Synn" Cornette's gimmick in OVW was a gothy dominatrix (often with whips, collars, etc.) with a whole stable of "Disciples". Meanwhile, Jim's gimmick was always based on being a rich momma's boy.
I found a promo pic of her and two of her "Disciples" with a girl named "Connie Swail" (yes, probably named after the Dragnet movie character) on her hands and knees collared with Synn holding her chain. Having never heard of her I looked her up and found an interesting thread on wrestlingclassics.com where a poster mentioned that he used to talk with Damaja (Danny Basham) who said that " she won some type of contest to be able to be a valet along with Synn" but didn't know anymore details. Given what been said, eh...
I found a promo pic of her and two of her "Disciples" with a girl named "Connie Swail" (yes, probably named after the Dragnet movie character) on her hands and knees collared with Synn holding her chain. Having never heard of her I looked her up and found an interesting thread on wrestlingclassics.com where a poster mentioned that he used to talk with Damaja (Danny Basham) who said that " she won some type of contest to be able to be a valet along with Synn" but didn't know anymore details. Given what been said, eh...
I hadn't thought about the parallels between the two. Being in either I could completely understand being jaded about anyone being nice to you because you don't know if there are ulterior motives. Women probably face this... well probably their entire lives. I would be mortified if anyone took me being friendly as something insidious when I'm actually just trying to make friends/contacts.
Have you talked about your job on here before?
I used to think the penis suplex was funny, but this "massive row" (love the phrasing OP) really had me thinking about it.
Like, there aren't really a lot of jobs where you show up at a gig and someone tells you "you're grabbing your co-worker's penis tonight in front of a cheering crowd." Like I signed up to sports entertain people, "are you okay directly squeezing my genitals for a prolonged period of time" should never even enter the conversation.
Let's say you get booked on a show. The gimmick can and has gone viral so you're game. Maybe you don't even mind having to do it, but its kind of a wildly inappropriate thing to ask someone to do as part of a performance.
Even if it's done totally professionally and discounting the potential unspoken pressure and imbalance of power, which I don't know enough about the situation to comment on, it's probably time to put it in the bin.
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He also took pictures with people with their hands on/near it with fans right?
Not in huge detail. The short of it is that I have worked as a photographer in the fetish, lewd cosplay and porn scene for a while at the same time my SO got into the business. I've worked for many websites and agencies over the years.
I'm semi retired from it at the moment. But the thing has always been respect the talent, but don't act like a fan. The times I worked with bigger names than the local scenes I would go out of the way to make sure I didn't gush about there previous work that I was a huge fan of and instead focused on the job we were doing. If they fished for a compliment I'd always give them, but Id never hand them out before.
After a job I would compliment them, but more in a professional "Yeah these photos are going to be hot" sort of way and praise their talent over there looks.
It can be a fine line, and I'm sure I've crossed it multiple times over the years. But I do my best.
A lot of times when someone SAYS something offensive and this forum calls for that person to be canceled, I usually roll my eyes and sigh.
But when someone DOES something really bad... That is a different situation entirely.
I had been listening to the drive thru and experience for a long time and even sent in questions to be read. Now? No thanks.
But when someone DOES something really bad... That is a different situation entirely.
I had been listening to the drive thru and experience for a long time and even sent in questions to be read. Now? No thanks.
Like what times are you referring to? Do you believe cancel culture exists? Why do you believe saying something offensive shouldn't generate a negative reaction?
Turns out the late Mr Wrestling II was a registered sex offender in Hawaii.
http://www.newspapers.com/clip/19212498/mr-wrestling-ii-johnny-walker-rape/
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'Mr. Wrestling II' Johnny Walker dies
One of the most magical experiences this writer ever had was wandering through the Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame, then located in Amsterdam, New York, with the legendary "Mr. Wrestling II" Johnny Walker. With news of his passing at the age of 85 in Hawaii reaching mainland shores in the mornin
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I've always side eyed trainers who ended up involved with their students, one thing if it's like years later and they power over them but while they're training or under your booking? Naaaah.
There's a lot of horrific stories out there, one of the probably better known ones being who a massive piece of shit Jake Robert's father, Grizzly Smith was, which didn't stop him from getting work backstage for decades after he retired.
There's a lot of horrific stories out there, one of the probably better known ones being who a massive piece of shit Jake Robert's father, Grizzly Smith was, which didn't stop him from getting work backstage for decades after he retired.
I was down there at the time, Connie Swail was basically like a corrupted school girl from what I remember. I did get some vibes off him back then though I wasn't sure what they were, I don't know if he and Stacey were a thing back then.
Crazy shit coming out it seems, not surprised considering how toxic the wrestling industry is.
Sad to hear about Havoc, I really like him since he joined AEW but at the same time I'm not surprised. Watching interviews and him talking about the pain involved in his hardcore style and how he reacts to that, plus him being a massive drinker matches with the accusations against him.
Never heard about the Osprey story that shit is fucked up too.
As for Cornette, the fact some people were still fans of him at all was disgusting and the final straw for me watching AEW was FTR going on his podcast just after they signed with AEW. Had plenty of people brush it off as them just working the audience, as if intentionally going on a well known bigots podcast was some master work of a good wrestler. Now to find out this story, I better not see anyone defending that shit again or Jim. Of course he has a rabid fan base of people who hate SJWs and being woke so I don't see this changing anything.
Sad to hear about Havoc, I really like him since he joined AEW but at the same time I'm not surprised. Watching interviews and him talking about the pain involved in his hardcore style and how he reacts to that, plus him being a massive drinker matches with the accusations against him.
Never heard about the Osprey story that shit is fucked up too.
As for Cornette, the fact some people were still fans of him at all was disgusting and the final straw for me watching AEW was FTR going on his podcast just after they signed with AEW. Had plenty of people brush it off as them just working the audience, as if intentionally going on a well known bigots podcast was some master work of a good wrestler. Now to find out this story, I better not see anyone defending that shit again or Jim. Of course he has a rabid fan base of people who hate SJWs and being woke so I don't see this changing anything.
Woah. Riddle choked her.
I think there will be a lot of wrestlers who haven't been outed extremely worried right now.
Eh nothing much will change unfortunately. Ol Vinny has plenty of notoriety and even more dire rumours. He did very public displays of demeaning and what can be considered as sexually assaulting women back in the attitude era right in the middle of the ring for all to see.
Then we have the likes of Jerry Lawler being on commentary despite having rape charges being brought against him from the early 90s.
The jobbers and under card will be let go or buried, but no one higher up will get much done them, Vince's billions will protect those he wants to keep.
Same for aew and njpw. Though Hager might be booted over this in aew. Ar beast a lot of these predators will be shelved for a while and then brought back once everything dies down.