Even If Kevin Fiege dropped dead tonight the MCU machine would not miss a beat. Not. One. Beat. I think he means that.
I wonder what pretentious crap should i be watching so that i can avoid being compared to MAGA dudes, just for liking some marvel movies.
Film snobs are the fucking worst.
It's funny, too, I'm a film snob, but I enjoy MCU for what it is, and let people enjoy the MCU on their terms.
This shit is like me dropping over on the gaming side and constantly pushing how "formulaic and lazy" Nintendo games are. You'd probably see me banned within hours. (And Nintendo is pretty much the perfect comparison to what the MCU is for films.)
I don't think you would be banned for saying Nintendo games are formulaic... but you would probably be banned for comparing Nintendo fans to white supremacists.
It's honestly pretty disturbing how many on the last page saw nothing wrong with that comparison. I'm not even that big of an MCU fan these days but it's really not a hill to die on.
OP you know damn well this is just gonna be the same bad thread that got closed last time. But let's just go over all the facts.
-Marvel movies are cinema. They are giant blockbuster movies that happen to have the serial storytelling of television, and can ba quite formulaic in their structure and aesthetic choices, but cinema all the same.
-Martin Scorsese is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time who's forgotten more about movies than you'll ever know. Why did people think a 76 year old man needs to give a fuck about Captain America lifting Thor's hammer, I'll never know. But he doesn't need to like them and that's ok.
-Martin Scorsese is not "gate keeping". Gate keeping requires power, control, like a comic store manager keeping a woman out until she can name all the Fantastic Four members. Disney owns 1/3rd of all ticket sales this year. Disney is taking over not just movies, but television as well, until its all one big slurry of "content". Disney has influenced, directly or indirectly, just about everything that gets made in Hollywood today. They are not being gate kept. THEY ARE THE GATE. MCU fans, you are the monoculture. You won! Your style of movies is safe and gets safer every year. It's the auteur pictures from artists like Scorsese that are being gate kept. They are the outside and have to go through Netflix to even get made.
He's all "WHERE WILL ALL THE YOUNG VISIONARIES GO!?!" like A24 and Fox Seachlight don't exist.
I wonder what pretentious crap should i be watching so that i can avoid being compared to MAGA dudes, just for liking some marvel movies.
Film snobs are the fucking worst.
the point of the joke is not that you're a racist for liking mcu, the point is that there are 300 marvel movies a year, that all make more money than god, that are all apparently decently competent, but that's not enough - the cultural elite need to accept them as art for some reason, and any criticism by that cultural elite is met with a billion fan pile on. That's why they are compared with the MAGA crowd, who are apparently the most persecuted people on earth - despite dominating all arms of government - because culture is still predominately liberal.
the point of the joke is not that you're a racist for liking mcu, the point is that there are 300 marvel movies a year, that all make more money than god, that are all apparently decently competent, but that's not enough - the cultural elite need to accept them as art for some reason, and any criticism by that cultural elite is met with a billion fan pile on. That's why they are compared with the MAGA crowd, who are apparently the most persecuted people on earth - despite dominating all arms of government - because culture is still predominately liberal.
That doesn't make the comparison any better.the point of the joke is not that you're a racist for liking mcu, the point is that there are 300 marvel movies a year, that all make more money than god, that are all apparently decently competent, but that's not enough - the cultural elite need to accept them as art for some reason, and any criticism by that cultural elite is met with a billion fan pile on. That's why they are compared with the MAGA crowd, who are apparently the most persecuted people on earth - despite dominating all arms of government - because culture is still predominately liberal.
Just admit it wasn't a tasteful comparison and the point could have been made so many other ways.
Now that's some grade a reaching. No one in this thread has said MCU films are high art, or even want them to be considered as such. That's ridiculous. Not to mention that there's little to no link to the MAGA crap.
Better filmmaking.like what makes the action classics of those guys better than MCU
like what makes Terminator 2 better than Black Panther.. Black Panther has richer themes and more depth
what makes Jurassic Park better than Winter Soldier etc. etc.
I have seen posters previously say the Russos are the best action directors working right now.
I have seen posters previously say the Russos are the best action directors working right now.
Delet thisDon't you know, Dr Strange v Thanos is the best fight scene of all time.
That's been a thing since Winter Soldier.I have seen posters previously say the Russos are the best action directors working right now.
He's talking about innovation. Marty came up in an era where filmmakers were constantly trying to push the boundaries of cinema. Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron (a little later) did this with great films that basically created the template that Hollywood has been imitating ever since because of the profit. Now we have a bajillion films that strive to replicate that success, but what do these films bring to the evolution of cinema that wasn't done before? Hence the "there is only one Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron". That ground has already been broken.
The films that do make their stamp don't come from the Disney's, Universal, and Paramount's of the world anymore. They come from smaller studios while the big guys save their funding for big blockbusters. Marty doesn't view cinema as a dollar figure, it's a culture to him, and he's saddened by the emphasis on crowd pleasing films over interesting works that progress the form.
In May 2016, Mexican production company Fábrica de Cine had offered $100 million to finance the film, and through that deal Paramount Pictures would retain domestic rights. IM Global was also circling to bid for the film's international sales rights. STX Entertainment bought the international distribution rights to the film for $50 million beating out other studios like Universal Pictures, 20th Century Fox, and Lionsgate, while Fábrica de Cine closed the deal and Paramount retained its domestic rights.
By February 2017, Paramount Pictures had dropped domestic distribution rights for The Irishman following the announcement that Fábrica de Cine would not be financing the film due to its climbing budget. Netflix then bought the film for $105 million and agreed to finance the film's $125 million budget with a release date set for October 2019. In March 2018, it was also reported the film's budget had ballooned from $125 million to $140 million, due in large part to the visual effects needed to make De Niro, Pacino, and Pesci appear younger at various points throughout the film. By August of that year, the cost had reportedly risen to as much as $175 million, and by the time post-production had wrapped some publications said it was $200 million.
In August 2019, it was reported that the film's official cost was $159 million.
The joke is making fun of the similarity between both MAGA and obsessive MCU stans being oversensitive to criticism when they are already dominating in society.
The joke is making fun of the similarity between both MAGA and obsessive MCU stans being oversensitive to criticism when they are already dominating in society.
This is literally not true though, and a totally cynical, one might say over sensitive, misreading of the joke
Eh.. the reality is that Big Studios have always ebbed and swayed with formulas for what's popular. Remember early Hollywood would regularly sign actors to exclusively work on their films, similarly to what we see today with Producers and broadcast networks. Big studios also regularly shuffled untested filmakers or niche/risky projects to an off label subsidiary complete with smaller budgets all around to avoid tainting their brand *if* the films didn't do well.
At the end of the day the MCU didn't cause any shift. The shift is a cycle that occurs in the film industry, just as it does in a lot of media. It feels much more like he's just lamenting a shift away from what he enjoys most. And it's hard to say that he isn't a bit bitter at the major studios not just giving him a blank check.
and phillips turned out to be right considering his move is making a gazillion dollars whereas You Were Never Really Here made jack-shit, which then leads us to blaming the audience as well as studios with what we get. It's the kind of argument thats hard to make.He's definitely bitter about it, which I understand. The Martin Scorsese led reunion movie with Bobby, Pesci, Keital, along with Al has been in the works for years; but no studio wanted to fund it. I agree with you about the studios going with whatever will make them money at that time, which I kind of touched on in another post (probably lost in the sea of this thread haha).
Marty got spoiled in the sense that he built his name in a time where the studios had fucked themselves with bad decisions (things like silly musicals no one wanted) and teetered on the edge of bankruptcy; so that brought new people in charge who gave freedom to hungry filmmakers with the money to back them. That bubble wasn't going to last forever though. New Hollywood ended, and there was a new game in town to produce dollars for the studios (Blockbusters). Now that game had evolved further to cape flicks specifically. With the rising cost in production I can understand to a degree why the studios would be hesitant to fund Marty when they can just have a probable sure thing with another superhero movie. It still sucks though. Todd Phillips referred to this when speaking about getting Phoenix to join Joker. I'm paraphrasing, but it was basically a "let's make the movie we want but use this comic book character as a cover" type of fresh.
and phillips turned out to be right considering his move is making a gazillion dollars whereas You Were Never Really Here made jack-shit, which then leads us to blaming the audience as well as studios with what we get. It's the kind of argument thats hard to make.
Cameron's films actually have something going on beneath the surface. Since people keep bringing up T2, there is an earnest, palpable fear of nuclear dread that bubbles all throughout that film that you can tell is very personal to Cameron. And as such, it plays potently. It's memorable and affecting.
Aliens is a brilliant abortion allegory for the Reagan 80s. The script for that film is incredibly smart when you begin breaking it down.
Cameron's climate change fears are something that he has worn on his sleeve since The Abyss, that he was much less subtle about in Avatar, but it is still a potent allegory because his honest passion feeds it. It doesn't feel like a cynical attempt to ride a wave of public opinion.
And this is just talking about thematic depth. Forget the performances Cameron and Spielberg mine in their blockbusters. Ed Harris and Elizabeth M, Weaver in (her Oscar nom'd) Aliens performance, the 'give us a kiss' scene in JAWS or any number of scenes in ET.
Then you can look at craft. How Spielberg and Cameron block their films. The artistry of how they move through a space to convey information visually. Spielberg is second to none and in a league of his own here. While Cameron is the undisputed master of choreographing set pieces.
It is these facets, but also the transportative quality that Scorsese admires in the blockbusters of these two (and Lucas' Star Wars). If you look to Scorsese's love letter to Méliès in Hugo, you'll know how much fondness Scorsese has for the idea of the filmmaker as a magician who is able to convincingly transport an audience somewhere and leave them wondering how they did that.
These are just some of the differences between the work Cameron and Spielberg's popcorn films and the Marvel films Scorsese obviously doesn't have the same admiration for.
It was a joke, relax jeeves. And you are completely missing the point as well. It has nothing to do with racism. Also lol, the true oversensitive people were Scorsese fans all along #GalaxybrainIt's hilarious, because Scorcese's fans are being so oversensitive to the criticism he receives, that they go as low as comparing people who enjoy the MCU to Nazis.
It was a joke, relax jeeves. And you are completely missing the point as well. It has nothing to do with racism. Also lol, the true oversensitive people were Scorsese fans all along #Galaxybrain
the actual victims here are marvel fans with these insensitive comments
Comparing people to Nazis over your bullshit Film Elitism isn't a fucking joke. (Since when has Era adapted the "It's just a prank, brah!" mindset anyway? This is toxic as fuck.) And who's even mentioning racism? Speaking as someone who adores Scorcese's output, Scorcese fanboys on this forum are looking incredibly bad.
respect to RDJ for taking Marty's criticism in stride
joss Whedon melting down on Twitter over it was embarrassing
Calm down, there is no need to get so upset. Also you keep bringing up Nazis but then ask why are you bringing up racism? Me no compute.
Anywho, to counter the weird idea that Martin is some asshole snob who doesn't care about any other filmmakers or is a, gasp, gatekeeper, please view this touching tribute he did to Abbas Kiarostami. Everyone should try see that directors films.
Im howling that the words " Scorsese Stans" and " Scorsese fanboys" are actual things people typed out and posted. What world is this I'm living in
Calm down, there is no need to get so upset. Also you keep bringing up Nazis but then ask who is bringing up racism? Me no compute.
You. You brought up Nazis and racism by comparing MCU fans to a group that infamously includes Nazis and racists.
Nah, you should probably calm down. Your heightened emotional response is very disproportionate to the conversation at hand lol.
Also, I am not sure what you are getting at? Like maybe re-read how I replied to you initially , the weird logic you are on doesn't really make any sense to me. It's also getting very accusatory for no reason.
Also, please watch Abbas Kiarostami films.
I am not sure if you are aware but I didn't post the meme lol. I just explained the joke to Alice because they didn't get it.
Is money all that matters to you guys?Nah Marvel fans have the highest grossing movie of all time. Something neither Mr expert or Spielberg could achieve.