He's right.
Wasn't there a topic that people couldn't hear some dialogue in Endgame because of all the cheering and applauding? Yeah... well.
Mr Mom was the 9th highest grossing film in 1983.
Us out drew Hobbes and Shaw for 8th so far in 2019.
I'm not a big Marvel guy, but this--
--doesn't make sense. All three of them have done dumber "theme park movies" than most of the Marvel output, and Lucas in particular is a worse director than most people who have directed a Marvel movie. James Cameron is a style-over-substance director as well. Nobody goes to see a James Cameron film to see a character-driven film. They're action and special effects-driven films.
You misinterpreted the statement completely. it went over your head. He's talking about how most movies that have taken over the theatre are just emulating them rather than doing their own thing.
All of these posts about what made what, you know he's referring to the New Hollywood era, right? Which ended in the early 80s. Ever since the major studios have been chasing big money with blockbusters. The directors lost control. Major studios aren't interested in high art films anymore. This wasn't because of the MCU as studios had already changed their focus. It's just gotten to the point now that unless it's a small studio, it's going to be hard to get production started on "high art" films.
The difference is nobody would act offended or insulted if Avatar was called a theme park-like thrill ride. Probably not even Cameron himself, since that's what Avatar is designed to be like.
Yep. should have been first postI somehow missed this gem of a post. This really should have ended this thread.
Even Micheal Bay has his own style of directing, especially when it comes to action set pieces and overall look of his moviesThere was posted video comparing Cameron to Michael Bay that illustrated the differences between Cameron's style of storytelling and just "gee whiz bang special effects!" that basically laid that out well.
Also Spielberg had this to say about Ready Player One.The difference is nobody would act offended or insulted if Avatar was called a theme park-like thrill ride. Probably not even Cameron himself, since that's what Avatar is designed to be like.
It does, if he makes the point that it's more 'theme park' then 'cinema'.
I think it's given after the movie, not during it.God forbid people give a movie a standing ovation at Cannes. That poor film can no longer be classified as Cinema!
Yes, did I misunderstand something you said? Sorry if so.
This guy gets it.
The difference is nobody would act offended or insulted if Avatar was called a theme park-like thrill ride. Probably not even Cameron himself, since that's what Avatar is designed to be like.
Damn. Haven't seen a post this truthful since your Disney post back at the old place.OP you know damn well this is just gonna be the same bad thread that got closed last time. But let's just go over all the facts.
-Marvel movies are cinema. They are giant blockbuster movies that happen to have the serial storytelling of television, and can ba quite formulaic in their structure and aesthetic choices, but cinema all the same.
-Martin Scorsese is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time who's forgotten more about movies than you'll ever know. Why did people think a 76 year old man needs to give a fuck about Captain America lifting Thor's hammer, I'll never know. But he doesn't need to like them and that's ok.
-Martin Scorsese is not "gate keeping". Gate keeping requires power, control, like a comic store manager keeping a woman out until she can name all the Fantastic Four members. Disney owns 1/3rd of all ticket sales this year. Disney is taking over not just movies, but television as well, until its all one big slurry of "content". Disney has influenced, directly or indirectly, just about everything that gets made in Hollywood today. They are not being gate kept. THEY ARE THE GATE. MCU fans, you are the monoculture. You won! Your style of movies is safe and gets safer every year. It's the auteur pictures from artists like Scorsese that are being gate kept. They are the outside and have to go through Netflix to even get made.
The phenomenon that is the MCU is uniquely cohesive. I don't think anything at that scale and scope, has ever been done like that in cinema history.
Black Panther has the final confrontation in which you can't literally see the black costumed characters in front of a black backdrop. Horrible cinematography.Black panther is horribly paced, I almost fell asleep in the damn theater, no joke. You're comparing black panther favourably to terminator 2? Geez
But he wasn't friend with Kubrick. He is friend with the guy who hasn't made movies in the last 15 years after spending decades about aaaall the movies he could make if only he didn't have to do Star Wars.First of all, that's two people, not one.
Second of all, Stanley Kubrick's ghost am cry
And we don't have an MCU T1
Roma got nominated for best picture last year and I think their docs have won in the past.It's funny that he doesn't consider Marvel movies Cinema and have Hollywood doesn't consider Netflix movies for Oscar runs.
Cameron's films actually have something going on beneath the surface. Since people keep bringing up T2, there is an earnest, palpable fear of nuclear dread that bubbles all throughout that film that you can tell is very personal to Cameron. And as such, it plays potently. It's memorable and affecting.
Aliens is a brilliant abortion allegory for the Reagan 80s. The script for that film is incredibly smart when you begin breaking it down.
Cameron's climate change fears are something that he has worn on his sleeve since The Abyss, that he was much less subtle about in Avatar, but it is still a potent allegory because his honest passion feeds it. It doesn't feel like a cynical attempt to ride a wave of public opinion.
And this is just talking about thematic depth. Forget the performances Cameron and Spielberg mine in their blockbusters. Ed Harris and Elizabeth M, Weaver in (her Oscar nom'd) Aliens performance, the 'give us a kiss' scene in JAWS or any number of scenes in ET.
Then you can look at craft. How Spielberg and Cameron block their films. The artistry of how they move through a space to convey information visually. Spielberg is second to none and in a league of his own here. While Cameron is the undisputed master of choreographing set pieces.
It is these facets, but also the transportative quality that Scorsese admires in the blockbusters of these two (and Lucas' Star Wars). If you look to Scorsese's love letter to Méliès in Hugo, you'll know how much fondness Scorsese has for the idea of the filmmaker as a magician who is able to convincingly transport an audience somewhere and leave them wondering how they did that.
These are just some of the differences between the work Cameron and Spielberg's popcorn films and the Marvel films Scorsese obviously doesn't have the same admiration for.
black panther easily but who knows what would be remembered 20 years from now. Phantom Menace came out 20 years ago and people still actively talk about.I mean you only need to see the impact these older films have had on society / meme (I mean it in the actual sense of the word not memes on Facebook) etc.
The score from jaws or Jurassic park, the shots in terminator 2 of him walking out of the bar with the leather jacket, liquid metal, shots / setups from aliens (even the motion detector used in the story is amazing in film), and even some of the lines that come out of these films. ET phone home, the shot of ET flying over the moon, etc. these old films are part of the social conciousness now, in terms of visually how they are, how they sound, the characters and dialogue.
that means something. In 20 years time what will we remember from the MCU infinity saga? Serious question. I feel we will remember "I am iron man" and the snap. That's about it though.
but why do we praise T2 as the greatest action movie
why can't any MCU movie match it?
Holy fuck lolYou mean like Lucas and Spielberg?
Also I've looked up his own filmography, none of them interest me in the slightest. Wolf of Wallstreet actually pisses me off since apparently a lot of actual wallstreet fucks see themselves as heroes in it.
Right, I guess if we strip away his awards, his career, ect, he is just a man with an opinion you don't like. Bravo!
OP you know damn well this is just gonna be the same bad thread that got closed last time. But let's just go over all the facts.
-Marvel movies are cinema. They are giant blockbuster movies that happen to have the serial storytelling of television, and can ba quite formulaic in their structure and aesthetic choices, but cinema all the same.
-Martin Scorsese is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time who's forgotten more about movies than you'll ever know. Why did people think a 76 year old man needs to give a fuck about Captain America lifting Thor's hammer, I'll never know. But he doesn't need to like them and that's ok.
-Martin Scorsese is not "gate keeping". Gate keeping requires power, control, like a comic store manager keeping a woman out until she can name all the Fantastic Four members. Disney owns 1/3rd of all ticket sales this year. Disney is taking over not just movies, but television as well, until its all one big slurry of "content". Disney has influenced, directly or indirectly, just about everything that gets made in Hollywood today. They are not being gate kept. THEY ARE THE GATE. MCU fans, you are the monoculture. You won! Your style of movies is safe and gets safer every year. It's the auteur pictures from artists like Scorsese that are being gate kept. They are the outside and have to go through Netflix to even get made.
Funnily enough this week theaters are showing Alien for it's anniversary.
Funnily enough this week theaters are showing Alien for it's anniversary.