So Manson is absolutely a piece of shit and I believe Evan Rachel Wood and the accusers.
I'm talking about suggesting doing drugs and singing about offensive/disturbing things isn't the same as being a person who does terrible things, anything else. Like I said, I think Manson is a piece of shit and I believe his accusers completely.
Yeah, my bad, you had the bit about doing drugs and singing the N word, I assumed you were talking about his lyrics.
Did he? I can't recall any song from Nine Inch Nails where he sang about raping someone. In fact one of the things that initially soured his relationship with Manson over two decades ago was Manson making up some story for his "shocking persona" about the two of them raping someone and Trent not being okay with that.
Big Man with a Gun, which is metaphorical gun/dick, I guess?
Also more of a send up of people who think/talk like that. Not first person.
Sure, I guess I can see that read on that particular song, though I'd still say that's not quite what "singing about rape" implies. tbh I tend to forget about that song because I always skip it. I know it represents a turning point in the narrative of The Downward Spiral but I think it's probably his worst song and the album still works fine without it. lol
Probably wild and specific to be presumably more effective at casting doubt that the original claims were true? Though, as you say, they are just as easily falsified. What a weird thing to do.
Have you watched the bootleg video set encompassing Broken? That's definitely more effed up than any of Manson's clown show knock off Alice Cooper hah.
man alive, look, the point was a) Manson is a terrible person and I believe the accusers b) you shouldn't necessarily judge lyrics/content/performers based on lyrics/content.
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Yeah no. I believe Evan and Warner has been a piece of shit forever, and due to this I cannot bring myself to listen to it anymore, but Mechanical Animals is one of the greatest rock records ever made, the guy is not talentless.
I love how we are rewriting things. Someone being a shitbag doesn't have anything to do with talent, and it's not repetitive drivel. Are the Beatles repetitive drivel, Lennon was a wife beater. Bowie slept with underage girls.
No it's really not. look you obviously have an agenda, I get hating the guy he's trash and has always been trash but your making shit up about the music And being really weird about it in the process.
I'm not defending him. Just saying his music (which I don't listen to anymore by the way specifically because of who he is) isn't talentless, and your description of that album is literally you making shit up.
I guess Radiohead is crap too because of repetition:
I'm not doing this with you, I just expect you to bring this same energy to anything else with a problematic creator. You better call Lennon and Bowie crap too and cherry pick yellow submarine to make your point. You really need to chill.
Lyrical delivery in this song is made in a way to add texture to an already abstract, strange sounding song because Thom Yorke and the band were outright rejecting their rock star status post OK Computer. Thom in particular was uneasy being in that spotlight and you can hear it (interviews from the band during this era corroborate this too). Manson on Mechanical Animals is instead embracing his role of rock star (which he always has) but this time putting on a David Bowie cosplay act in the process. It's pop, and unlike literally anything off Kid A, is designed to be as easy to consume as possible, including Manson's role as rock star that he is very loudly projecting. The repetitive lyrics on MA suit this purpose, he wants to make sure everyone in the back gets it if they haven't already.
