No lynch is often a point of contention. Buck Bumble Mafia in particular was one where it was debated upon more than it should have been. Don't know what's weird about it, but I meant what I said. The last thing I want is a wasted D1 because someone wants to act as if they're taking the moral high ground.Serious question: Is there anyone in this community that is known for, or has a history of advocating for, no lynching? Because otherwise this feels like a weird post to me.
Disagreed. I know I'm town. It's the other people I want info on. And I don't think the leader necessarily needs to be town to garner info from them. The default stance only works if you're only intent on voting town.Everyone who's presently not voting for themselves as a default state should be high on your suspicions. Breaking ties tells
If the scum team is even half competent (which I'm sure they are given this roster) I doubt they would neglect to tell the newbie to not instantly make connections with scummates. That's scum tactics 101. Seems like a lazy reason to throw shade. If it were a vote at the day's end, I could see where you're coming from a bit more, but first post in the day?I would also like to point out the vote by ShadowSwordMaster. He is new to the game and goes directly to vote for Terraforce without any reasoning. As a new player I'd expect him to first watch a bit to see what's going on and all. I don't want to call it a collusion with Terra just yet, but it does give me a weird feeling in that direction. Also so far Fantomas hasn't really convinced me otherwise.
But we still have day 1.5 which will inevitably force everyone to "put their money where their mouth is." I'm sure you didn't expect all ~30 of us to just sit there as the leader elects who to lynch. There obviously will be some form of discourse over who the leader should lynch, so if anything this gives us more time and more info than a normal lynch would.No, it won't give us anything useful and will waste our time in the following days. Because instead of people voting for a lynch they are voting for someone they trust, meaning they can avoid putting their money where their mouth is. Aside from that, the next days the game will revolve around the leaders' choice, which probably will be a town lynch anyway. Normal day 1's are fine for town, if they weren't there would be a lot more no lynches than there are now. You just gotta play it smart.
Can we remove the Sophia vote from Flux?==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
cabot (2 votes)
kawl - #591
fireblend - #707
sorian (2 votes)
terraforce - #104
rac - #510
fireblend - #692#707
blargonaut (2 votes)
faddy - #94
blargonaut - #329
sophia - #376#389
fandorin (2 votes)
brazil - #172
dr. monkey - #565#736
thechuggernaut - #576
terraforce (1 votes)
shadowswordmaster - #85
stanleypalmtree (1 votes)
dr. monkey - #736
kyanrute (1 votes)
cabot - #657
ceecee (1 votes)
ceecee - #670
geno (1 votes)
geno - #77
fluxwavez (1 votes)
zubz - #101#582
sophia - #132#376
sophia - #389
natiko (1 votes)
natiko - #79
fireblend (0 votes)
fandorin - #324#715
Post Counts:
blargonaut: 72 cabot: 49 geno: 49 fran: 47 dr. monkey: 45 sorian: 45 sophia: 40 pirate bae: 31 fandorin: 30 terraforce: 30 natiko: 29 fireblend: 26 fluxwavez: 22 brazil: 20 faddy: 19 thechuggernaut: 15 grizzly: 12 stanleypalmtree: 12 ketkat: 11 zubz: 11 kawl: 11 rac: 10 ceecee: 9 kyanrute: 9 fantomas: 7 turmoil7: 7 giant panda: 5 shadowswordmaster: 3 malus: 2
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Did your feelings on Fandorin change, or did you want to diversify the votes, or did you start seeing Stan as a better leader alternative for some reason, or something else? Just curious.
Alright thanks.I'll remove Sophia's and Shadow's votes some way once I'm at my computer
Not easily :P Bear could edit their posts so the vote tool doesn't parse them as valid votes anymore, since he has mod-powers.
I guess an alternative would be to bring them here to unvote.Not easily :P Bear could edit their posts so the vote tool doesn't parse them as valid votes anymore, since he has mod-powers.
Thanks. I'm not against doing a pseudo vote; not making our lynch choices explicit would be heaven for scum. What I'm against is choosing someone with the understanding that they'll lynch whoever the majority wants to lynch under threat of being lynched themselves. I'm not sure if that's what Malus means, he does say he wants the leader "having the final say".
I think ideally we want to decide on a pool of 2 or 3 lynch candidates from which the leader then chooses the final target. The problem with having the leader decide on their own is that there is nothing stopping scum from busing to hell and back since there is no threat of their vote leading to a scum kill. On the other hand if the leader blindly picks whoever is vote leader at end of day 1.5 we kind of throw away an opportunity to get more information from this day than who voted whom.
Fantomas has had some okay posts now, but he hasn't really brought anything new to the table yet. Also I'm a bit wary of simply reevaluating everything once someone subs out. In GoT that's what brought mafia the win, when everyone kind of threw away their scum reads when one of them was replaced. So I'm going to keep an eye on the Fantomas/Terraforce duo and how they interact with each other.his previous post does sort of follow your guess to be honest.
malus, you mentioned shadow's vote on terra being shady but nothing on Fantomas. Since Shadow has now departed and fantomas has had a few substantial posts, care to re-evaluate that read?
I think ideally we want to decide on a pool of 2 or 3 lynch candidates from which the leader then chooses the final target. The problem with having the leader decide on their own is that there is nothing stopping scum from busing to hell and back since there is no threat of their vote leading to a scum kill. On the other hand if the leader blindly picks whoever is vote leader at end of day 1.5 we kind of throw away an opportunity to get more information from this day than who voted whom.
Fantomas has had some okay posts now, but he hasn't really brought anything new to the table yet. Also I'm a bit wary of simply reevaluating everything once someone subs out. In GoT that's what brought mafia the win, when everyone kind of threw away their scum reads when one of them was replaced. So I'm going to keep an eye on the Fantomas/Terraforce duo and how they interact with each other.
The way Sorian put it is what I already assumed would be the case. The collective town puts their hats into the ring, but the leader will still vote according to their reads. That way people can still be held accountable for their actions to some degree.Thanks. I'm not against doing a pseudo vote; not making our lynch choices explicit would be heaven for scum. What I'm against is choosing someone with the understanding that they'll lynch whoever the majority wants to lynch under threat of being lynched themselves. I'm not sure if that's what Malus means, he does say he wants the leader "having the final say".
I figured as much as well. While I disagree with your mindset right now, this definitely feels like town Geno.
I think ideally we want to decide on a pool of 2 or 3 lynch candidates from which the leader then chooses the final target.
I posted about all that...? Do you have a more specific question? cabot raised a fair point about Fando that is worth watching and I get a town sense on Stan, though I don't know if I will keep my vote there.Did your feelings on Fandorin change, or did you want to diversify the votes, or did you start seeing Stan as a better leader alternative for some reason, or something else? Just curious.
But why did SSW vote you in his first post and without any reasoning? It doesn't make sense to me. Especially for a new player. And why would a vote at day end be more suspicious? At that point we would have more information and everyone would have made up their mind. A vote without information seems to be much more suspect to me.If the scum team is even half competent (which I'm sure they are given this roster) I doubt they would neglect to tell the newbie to not instantly make connections with scummates. That's scum tactics 101. Seems like a lazy reason to throw shade. If it were a vote at the day's end, I could see where you're coming from a bit more, but first post in the day?
We can still use the vote tool even if the votes don't actually count.The problem is how to whittle down the field to just 2 or 3 people?
I would rather see arguments for who should be shot rather than just straight votes.
If we decide on a pool of candidates everyone should make their case on who should or shouldn't be in this pool, so everyone has to share their reads anyway. I'm really not a fan of having the leader choose the target without restriction, because it takes all agency away from the other players.Why do you think this is our best course of action?
Why not just have everyone share their reads and have the leader choose his target without a restriction?
You don't need to explain to them the entire process. You're a failed scum team if you don't give your new player even a little bit of coaching. Telling them to not instantly link themselves to a scummate isn't teaching someone inorganic chemistry. I'm not sure why you act as if that's such complex information to instill into someone. Heck, even for a new player that would be a rather stupid move to pull. If it were EoD or if votes were close I could see that idea being entertained, but the logic currently being used is so damn flimsy.I don't want to quote the whole post, but no, I don't think we can or should assume scum would tell a new player about balancing connecting to while keeping distance from a team. If you have a newbie scum, there's a lot to tell.
If we decide on a pool of candidates everyone should make their case on who should or shouldn't be in this pool, so everyone has to share their reads anyway. I'm really not a fan of having the leader choose the target without restriction, because it takes all agency away from the other players.
Faddy where are you leaning right now?
Are you really thinking we should give the leader position to Blarg or it's just a joke?
Also what's your take on Sorian? You said that if you were elected you would lynch him and it seemed like a meta joke but then you claimed that you wouldn't give the leadership to Sorian because it would be too much risk. Both are mostly meta reads. What are you thinking about Sorian THIS game?
Also anyone else that is suspicious to you?
Sorry, I had to dig a bit to find it. It was the mod joke comment thing right? You still had Fando as a "maybe" town read in the post I quoted so I was curious what was up with that.I posted about all that...? Do you have a more specific question? cabot raised a fair point about Fando that is worth watching and I get a town sense on Stan, though I don't know if I will keep my vote there.
If the scum team is even half competent (which I'm sure they are given this roster) I doubt they would neglect to tell the newbie to not instantly make connections with scummates. That's scum tactics 101. Seems like a lazy reason to throw shade. If it were a vote at the day's end, I could see where you're coming from a bit more, but first post in the day?
You don't need to explain to them the entire process. You're a failed scum team if you don't give your new player even a little bit of coaching. Telling them to not instantly link themselves to a scummate isn't teaching someone inorganic chemistry. I'm not sure why you act as if that's such complex information to instill into someone. Heck, even for a new player that would be a rather stupid move to pull. If it were EoD or if votes were close I could see that idea being entertained, but the logic currently being used is so damn flimsy.
I think discussing this option is a waste of time because it's gonna happen either way. You think whoever ends up as a leader is going to shoot arbitrarily without input and people backing them up?If we decide on a pool of candidates everyone should make their case on who should or shouldn't be in this pool, so everyone has to share their reads anyway. I'm really not a fan of having the leader choose the target without restriction, because it takes all agency away from the other players.
Exactly. Hence why the leader vote should default to the protagonistSee I don't see why we have to make a big deal out of the election thing, the method I mentioned solves everything nicely, we forget the leader part and act like this is a normal day of mafia. It's weird how everyone is all like "wouldn't trust him, wouldn't trust her, maybe trust that person", if you don't want to trust them then don't, you can only trust your vote.
He left before he could explain himself so that we will never know. All I said up to that point was the Kingdom Hearts bit so maybe he liked it. Though to that same point, we don't know why he voted in the first place. For all we know he could have done it because he disliked what I said. It's all baseless speculation, but it's the root of your logic that I'm contesting here. Like I said, you're a failed mafia team if you don't give the least bit of coaching, plus I'm just recalling I'm pretty sure Roy was supposed to help him as well. Something is up if you're given all that assistance and still make a move as blatantly dense as you're implying him to have done.But why did SSW vote you in his first post and without any reasoning? It doesn't make sense to me. Especially for a new player. And why would a vote at day end be more suspicious? At that point we would have more information and everyone would have made up their mind. A vote without information seems to be much more suspect to me..
I just looked at some players that I forgot that they were in the game and Zubz has 11 posts of only fluff. There is nothing there.
So, Zubz who do you think it would be a good leader and why?
And who are you leaning for scum right now?
You think it's weird to defend yourself in mafia?...what?Well, considering you're part of the controversy, I'll say I found odd how you're rather defending yourself at this point for what Shadow did.
I know I'd just dismiss it completely since that was his only actual post in the game.
I'd maybe consider giving rac a shot of leadership because he has been tiptoeing a bit so far.
Come out and play, rac.
[...] I think Blarg is making a genuine effort, I'm just not sure what that effort is going towards yet :P
*snip*
I did not highlight it the correct way. If that is the case, then feel free to kick me out.
I did not highlight it the correct way. If that is the case, then feel free to kick me out.
Not that you are defending yourself, no. But it feels like you're trying to justify Shadow's vote based on things we cannot know, and instead of simply noting that Shadow's out of the game and we can't ask him anymore, you instead based your defense on what a competent scum team should do. Weird angle to me.You think it's weird to defend yourself in mafia?...what?
I'm pointing out why I find the reasoning flawed. I did dismiss it entirely which is why I mostly ignored it, but I'm mentioning it now becausee others have brought it up which I think is silly.
Fantomas has had some okay posts now, but he hasn't really brought anything new to the table yet. Also I'm a bit wary of simply reevaluating everything once someone subs out. In GoT that's what brought mafia the win, when everyone kind of threw away their scum reads when one of them was replaced. So I'm going to keep an eye on the Fantomas/Terraforce duo and how they interact with each other.
Is it me? Don't be stranger[...] Another example of someone who I wouldn't want to give it to is Blarg. It would be pretty fitting to just hand it off to him since it's his game and all, but I don't think I've ever been able to question Blarg on the things he does. [...]
He left before he could explain himself so that we will never know. All I said up to that point was the Kingdom Hearts bit so maybe he liked it. Though to that same point, we don't know why he voted in the first place. For all we know he could have done it because he disliked what I said. It's all baseless speculation, but it's the root of your logic that I'm contesting here. Like I said, you're a failed mafia team if you don't give the least bit of coaching, plus I'm just recalling I'm pretty sure Roy was supposed to help him as well. Something is up if you're given all that assistance and still make a move as blatantly dense as you're implying him to have done.
EoD seems more suspicious for the same reason a bandwagon EoD vote on any day seems suspicious. Scum have to put an effort towards shifting the narrative and changing the vote in the direction they want it to move so they can have control. In the beginning of the day it does nothing to vote somewhere that has zero momentum. If a new player is towards the tail end of a two person split and votes the one that flips town over the one that flips scum, that says significantly more than a new player that votes town in the first ten posts of the day then changes their vote later.
No, I don't think that. I just fear that if we let the leader do his thing there is no risk for scum to bus each other. If there are no consequences for your reads, just throw shade everywhere so you can later say "see I said it there first" when one of them should flip.I think discussing this option is a waste of time because it's gonna happen either way. You think whoever ends up as a leader is going to shoot arbitrarily without input and people backing them up?
Well there is the vote out of nowhere. It's not much but why would anyone (especially a new player) come into the game with a random vote? It just seems weird to me.Woops, let's try that again...
I would normally agree with your logic. However, these are the only game posts Shadow made. What is there to keep after Fantomas subbed in?
Don't bother, it's just 16 pages of them disrespecting Ending Bhey all, sorry I haven't been around. I thought the game started TODAY not yesterday. My days are all messed up after getting back from PA with my pup. I'm up to page 3, going to skip to read the last page and then fill in. I'm around most of the day other than a few errands and the usual farm stuff.
I don't think there's less/more risk to scum bussing (for them) with the leader system than without. Again, the leader will be influenced by them and not making a choice in a vacuum so they'd still be risking persuading them and getting a teammate lynched if they all suddenly start bussing.No, I don't think that. I just fear that if we let the leader do his thing there is no risk for scum to bus each other. If there are no consequences for your reads, just throw shade everywhere so you can later say "see I said it there first" when one of them should flip.
Well there is the vote out of nowhere. It's not much but why would anyone (especially a new player) come into the game with a random vote? It just seems weird to me.
I like where you're going. Please expand on how this looks for everyone.
Sure, but that's no reason to dismiss it entirely.It's a question without an answer, because Fantomas will never be able to answer it.